Motive for Beheading of French Priest Remains a Mystery

[Coyote]

Why do the rightwingnuts entirely discount mental illness when it's a Muslim?

I do not think they do if the muslim by his action FULFILLS an
Islamic directive. If a muslim kills his wife----for no reason ----
I doubt that the majority of americans will jump up and scream
HONOR KILLING-------protestant mail men kill their wives too---for no reason. If a muslim who lost his job and his wife decides to divorce suddenly does a whole family assassination---I doubt people are going to scream ISLAAAAM. If a muslim wife refuses to hand her daughter over to forced marriage AND THEN the muslim father kills them both------THEN PEOPLE WILL SCREAM ---ISLAAAM.
The issue seems to me that people scream ISLAM---if islam is
THE ISSUE. Turkish men kill their daughters for the same problem-----ie Turkish muslims

There is no Islamic directive to drive a truck through a crowd of people.

GOOD POINT----there is no specific Islamic directive on JUST HOW TO KILL kaffirin-----the directive is far more non-specific----just KILL THEM ---"somehow". I am not even sure that stoning is mentioned in the KORAN ---I do not remember---I do know that the HEAD thing is kinda the holy thing to do

I think you're safe as long as you don't scratch your crotch Rosie.

 

[irosie91]

Why do the rightwingnuts entirely discount mental illness when it's a Muslim?

I do not think they do if the muslim by his action FULFILLS an
Islamic directive. If a muslim kills his wife----for no reason ----
I doubt that the majority of americans will jump up and scream
HONOR KILLING-------protestant mail men kill their wives too---for no reason. If a muslim who lost his job and his wife decides to divorce suddenly does a whole family assassination---I doubt people are going to scream ISLAAAAM. If a muslim wife refuses to hand her daughter over to forced marriage AND THEN the muslim father kills them both------THEN PEOPLE WILL SCREAM ---ISLAAAM.
The issue seems to me that people scream ISLAM---if islam is
THE ISSUE. Turkish men kill their daughters for the same problem-----ie Turkish muslims

There is no Islamic directive to drive a truck through a crowd of people.

GOOD POINT----there is no specific Islamic directive on JUST HOW TO KILL kaffirin-----the directive is far more non-specific----just KILL THEM ---"somehow". I am not even sure that stoning is mentioned in the KORAN ---I do not remember---I do know that the HEAD thing is kinda the holy thing to do

I think you're safe as long as you don't scratch your crotch Rosie.

I scratch my crotch-----but only privately-----when it is itchy.
I am a very shy person. Even if my undies get stuck ------
I go to the "ladies" room to fix the situation .

 

[Coyote]

Why do the rightwingnuts entirely discount mental illness when it's a Muslim?

I do not think they do if the muslim by his action FULFILLS an
Islamic directive. If a muslim kills his wife----for no reason ----
I doubt that the majority of americans will jump up and scream
HONOR KILLING-------protestant mail men kill their wives too---for no reason. If a muslim who lost his job and his wife decides to divorce suddenly does a whole family assassination---I doubt people are going to scream ISLAAAAM. If a muslim wife refuses to hand her daughter over to forced marriage AND THEN the muslim father kills them both------THEN PEOPLE WILL SCREAM ---ISLAAAM.
The issue seems to me that people scream ISLAM---if islam is
THE ISSUE. Turkish men kill their daughters for the same problem-----ie Turkish muslims

There is no Islamic directive to drive a truck through a crowd of people.

GOOD POINT----there is no specific Islamic directive on JUST HOW TO KILL kaffirin-----the directive is far more non-specific----just KILL THEM ---"somehow". I am not even sure that stoning is mentioned in the KORAN ---I do not remember---I do know that the HEAD thing is kinda the holy thing to do

I think you're safe as long as you don't scratch your crotch Rosie.

I scratch my crotch-----but only privately-----when it is itchy.
I am a very shy person. Even if my undies get stuck ------
I go to the "ladies" room to fix the situation .

That's good to know Rosie, you probably won't need to worry about angering Moroccan-born knifemen that way.

 

[irosie91]

I do not think they do if the muslim by his action FULFILLS an
Islamic directive. If a muslim kills his wife----for no reason ----
I doubt that the majority of americans will jump up and scream
HONOR KILLING-------protestant mail men kill their wives too---for no reason. If a muslim who lost his job and his wife decides to divorce suddenly does a whole family assassination---I doubt people are going to scream ISLAAAAM. If a muslim wife refuses to hand her daughter over to forced marriage AND THEN the muslim father kills them both------THEN PEOPLE WILL SCREAM ---ISLAAAM.
The issue seems to me that people scream ISLAM---if islam is
THE ISSUE. Turkish men kill their daughters for the same problem-----ie Turkish muslims

There is no Islamic directive to drive a truck through a crowd of people.

GOOD POINT----there is no specific Islamic directive on JUST HOW TO KILL kaffirin-----the directive is far more non-specific----just KILL THEM ---"somehow". I am not even sure that stoning is mentioned in the KORAN ---I do not remember---I do know that the HEAD thing is kinda the holy thing to do

I think you're safe as long as you don't scratch your crotch Rosie.

I scratch my crotch-----but only privately-----when it is itchy.
I am a very shy person. Even if my undies get stuck ------
I go to the "ladies" room to fix the situation .

That's good to know Rosie, you probably won't need to worry about angering Moroccan-born knifemen that way.

Moroccan-----I used to have a relative thru marriage who is
Moroccan-------I divorced the relative of the relative---so
he is no longer my relative........I HOPE

 

[irosie91]

I do not think they do if the muslim by his action FULFILLS an
Islamic directive. If a muslim kills his wife----for no reason ----
I doubt that the majority of americans will jump up and scream
HONOR KILLING-------protestant mail men kill their wives too---for no reason. If a muslim who lost his job and his wife decides to divorce suddenly does a whole family assassination---I doubt people are going to scream ISLAAAAM. If a muslim wife refuses to hand her daughter over to forced marriage AND THEN the muslim father kills them both------THEN PEOPLE WILL SCREAM ---ISLAAAM.
The issue seems to me that people scream ISLAM---if islam is
THE ISSUE. Turkish men kill their daughters for the same problem-----ie Turkish muslims

There is no Islamic directive to drive a truck through a crowd of people.

GOOD POINT----there is no specific Islamic directive on JUST HOW TO KILL kaffirin-----the directive is far more non-specific----just KILL THEM ---"somehow". I am not even sure that stoning is mentioned in the KORAN ---I do not remember---I do know that the HEAD thing is kinda the holy thing to do

I think you're safe as long as you don't scratch your crotch Rosie.

I scratch my crotch-----but only privately-----when it is itchy.
I am a very shy person. Even if my undies get stuck ------
I go to the "ladies" room to fix the situation .

That's good to know Rosie, you probably won't need to worry about angering Moroccan-born knifemen that way.

thanks for your concern

 

[gipper]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe, influenced by national syndicalism. Fascism originated in Italy during World War Iand spread to other European countries. Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]

Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes in the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilian and combatant. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[5][6] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[5][6]

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictatorand a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]
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One of the greatest myths of the 20th Century is that Fascism is the opposite of Socialism, when clearly both are blood brothers.

If you care to learn the truth, read Jonah Golberg's huge best seller Liberal Fascism...but something tells me you don't want the truth.

Right .. Has Jonah done anything since? LOL

Not a thoughtful response...a very lame response.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Did you see this? I can't for the life of me work out the motive here either. Oh wait..... They must be mentally ill ... Like the man who stabbed a mother and her 3 girls for wearing shorts and T shirts .....oh wait.....the examining psychiatrist found no evidence of mental illness despite his, the lefts and the media's claims. It's all so very confusing:

Islamic gang storm nudist pool shouting 'Allahu Akbar' vowing to 'eradicate' 'slut' women
A GROUP of Muslim men stormed an outdoor nudist swimming pool in Germany shouting "Allahu Akbar" threatening to "eradicate" women for insulting them with their bare bodies.
By TOM PARFITT & MONIKA PALLENBERG
PUBLISHED: 11:25, Wed, Jul 27, 2016 | UPDATED: 15:42, Wed, Jul 27, 2016

Islamic gang storm nudist pool shouting 'Allahu Akbar' vowing to 'eradicate' 'slut' women

they are crazy but far from insane, they understand what they are doing.

I agree they understand exactly what they are doing. But what is the difference between crazy and insane or mentally ill? That they are mentally ill appears to be the go to explanation now for practically every attack, usually with no evidence.

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

 

[Tilly]

they are crazy but far from insane, they understand what they are doing.

I agree they understand exactly what they are doing. But what is the difference between crazy and insane or mentally ill? That they are mentally ill appears to be the go to explanation now for practically every attack, usually with no evidence.

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

The vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt a soul. They are more likely to harm themselves, and are ten times more likely to be the victim of violence rather than be the perpetrator.
There is already stigma attached to mentally ill people, and to keep associating them with Islamic extremists who go on heinous killing sprees all over the world - day in and day out - butchering children and babies too- is not likely to help eradicate the unfair and inaccurate stigma applied to them. It may even discourage people from seeking the help and support they need.
It is a duplicitous, lazy ploy, designed to make us all take our eyes off the real problem - Islamic extremism and the hatred these people harbour for the West, for women and for our freedoms.

 

[MaryL]

The liberal media questions the motives for just about anything. Homophobia, Xenophobia or racism. They will splits hairs and beat a dead horse. The liberals are good at nagging and cajoling about anything that earns their petty agenda the least bit of cache. But they WON'T allow such techniques and examinations of their own agenda, particularly downplaying Muslim hate, racism and xenophobia. Which puzzles me, Islam is a theocratic monster that would destroy western liberals.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The liberal media questions the motives for just about anything. Homophobia, Xenophobia or racism. They will splits hairs and beat a dead horse. The liberals are good at nagging and cajoling about anything that earns their petty agenda the least bit of cache. But they WON'T allow such techniques and examinations of their own agenda, particularly downplaying Muslim hate, racism and xenophobia. Which puzzles me, Islam is a theocratic monster that would destroy western liberals.

There is a word for that sort of thing; LYING ASS BITCHES SPREADING PROPAGANDA

 

[Tilly]

They also found no evidence of a religious motivation.

It is just a 'cultural problem' no need for concern. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Do a herd of deer get worried when one of their herd gets taken down by a wolf? Of course not...they just run a little while and continue their grazing.

No, no...I am not saying Americans or Germans or the french or even the brits are like a herd of dumb animals....am i?

Where did it it say anything about cultural problems? Last I heard, they had no motivation.

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

...While a psychiatric examination found no evidence of mental illness...

 

[Sundance508]

Where did it it say anything about cultural problems? Last I heard, they had no motivation.

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

They also reported that he might have had psychological issues, and the family reported he was seeing a psychiatrist. Most recent reports state no religious motivation, nor was he upset of "scantily clothed" people, nor did they find evidence of mental illness. They can't find a motive.

its a TERRIFIC and innovative defense----by definition----a finding of murder MUST INCLUDE A MOTIVE-----otherwise
the most with which one can be charged is-----a form of
manslaughter------thanks Coyote

Where did it it say anything about cultural problems? Last I heard, they had no motivation.

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

They also reported that he might have had psychological issues, and the family reported he was seeing a psychiatrist. Most recent reports state no religious motivation, nor was he upset of "scantily clothed" people, nor did they find evidence of mental illness. They can't find a motive.

its a TERRIFIC and innovative defense----by definition----a finding of murder MUST INCLUDE A MOTIVE-----otherwise
the most with which one can be charged is-----a form of
manslaughter------thanks Coyote

Nonsense...where did you that stupidity...let me guess ...a hollylweird movie? hehheh

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

 

[Mindful]

I agree they understand exactly what they are doing. But what is the difference between crazy and insane or mentally ill? That they are mentally ill appears to be the go to explanation now for practically every attack, usually with no evidence.

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

The vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt a soul. They are more likely to harm themselves, and are ten times more likely to be the victim of violence rather than be the perpetrator.
There is already stigma attached to mentally ill people, and to keep associating them with Islamic extremists who go on heinous killing sprees all over the world - day in and day out - butchering children and babies too- is not likely to help eradicate the unfair and inaccurate stigma applied to them. It may even discourage people from seeking the help and support they need.
It is a duplicitous, lazy ploy, designed to make us all take our eyes off the real problem - Islamic extremism and the hatred these people harbour for the West, for women and for our freedoms.

 

[irosie91]

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

They also reported that he might have had psychological issues, and the family reported he was seeing a psychiatrist. Most recent reports state no religious motivation, nor was he upset of "scantily clothed" people, nor did they find evidence of mental illness. They can't find a motive.

its a TERRIFIC and innovative defense----by definition----a finding of murder MUST INCLUDE A MOTIVE-----otherwise
the most with which one can be charged is-----a form of
manslaughter------thanks Coyote

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

They also reported that he might have had psychological issues, and the family reported he was seeing a psychiatrist. Most recent reports state no religious motivation, nor was he upset of "scantily clothed" people, nor did they find evidence of mental illness. They can't find a motive.

its a TERRIFIC and innovative defense----by definition----a finding of murder MUST INCLUDE A MOTIVE-----otherwise
the most with which one can be charged is-----a form of
manslaughter------thanks Coyote

Nonsense...where did you that stupidity...let me guess ...a hollylweird movie? hehheh

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

you citation confirms my comment----idiot

 

[Coyote]

I agree they understand exactly what they are doing. But what is the difference between crazy and insane or mentally ill? That they are mentally ill appears to be the go to explanation now for practically every attack, usually with no evidence.

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

The vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt a soul. They are more likely to harm themselves, and are ten times more likely to be the victim of violence rather than be the perpetrator.
There is already stigma attached to mentally ill people, and to keep associating them with Islamic extremists who go on heinous killing sprees all over the world - day in and day out - butchering children and babies too- is not likely to help eradicate the unfair and inaccurate stigma applied to them. It may even discourage people from seeking the help and support they need.
It is a duplicitous, lazy ploy, designed to make us all take our eyes off the real problem - Islamic extremism and the hatred these people harbour for the West, for women and for our freedoms.

Advocating for, and volunteering for various mental health organizations (in particular NAMI, which is working hard to overturn stigmas, improve insurance coverage, build awareness, improve treatment availability and educate the public and the police force in how to deal with mental illness) has long been near and dear to my heart because my brother is schizophrenic, and bi-polar and depression have run in my family so I have intimate familiarity with mental illness.

What I read here, from you, is that you would rather attach a stigma and villify Islam and Muslims in general than look at reality in any kind of fair minded manner.

How many threads are there on attacks by Muslims? It's a never ending stream isn't it? And, by most of the crowd here - they are ALL treated as "extremists" or religion is blamed - in fact, before all the information is even available. You're assuming - even in the face of irrational/erratic behavior, that's it's religion - you don't even seem to question it and you deny mental illness even when it's possible. Every act of violence by a muslim is labeled with a "religious" motivation even when authorities refute it. So the question is -why? Some acts are extremist ideologically based violence, some acts are violence committed by people with shitty little lives and lots of issues who want to make a point (we can find many non-Muslim examples of people going "postal" without assuming ideological motives) and some acts are frankly the acts of untreated mentally ill people. The problem seems to be that when the person is Muslim, all other motivators go out the window. Unlike what you claim - I don't assign mental illness to all such attacks to mental illness, but clearly in some of these it is likely playing a part. So why do you deny it? Is denying it going encourage seeking of treatment? Families reporting problems? Improved access to care and reduced stigmas in communties where the stigma is so high it can't even be considered?

 

[Coyote]

they are crazy but far from insane, they understand what they are doing.

I agree they understand exactly what they are doing. But what is the difference between crazy and insane or mentally ill? That they are mentally ill appears to be the go to explanation now for practically every attack, usually with no evidence.

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

Where do I support mass murderers? Do you?

 

[Coyote]

It is just a 'cultural problem' no need for concern. You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Do a herd of deer get worried when one of their herd gets taken down by a wolf? Of course not...they just run a little while and continue their grazing.

No, no...I am not saying Americans or Germans or the french or even the brits are like a herd of dumb animals....am i?

Where did it it say anything about cultural problems? Last I heard, they had no motivation.

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

...While a psychiatric examination found no evidence of mental illness...

And no evidence that there was a religious motivation. Or do you ignore that part?

 

[irosie91]

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

The vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt a soul. They are more likely to harm themselves, and are ten times more likely to be the victim of violence rather than be the perpetrator.
There is already stigma attached to mentally ill people, and to keep associating them with Islamic extremists who go on heinous killing sprees all over the world - day in and day out - butchering children and babies too- is not likely to help eradicate the unfair and inaccurate stigma applied to them. It may even discourage people from seeking the help and support they need.
It is a duplicitous, lazy ploy, designed to make us all take our eyes off the real problem - Islamic extremism and the hatred these people harbour for the West, for women and for our freedoms.

Advocating for, and volunteering for various mental health organizations (in particular NAMI, which is working hard to overturn stigmas, improve insurance coverage, build awareness, improve treatment availability and educate the public and the police force in how to deal with mental illness) has long been near and dear to my heart because my brother is schizophrenic, and bi-polar and depression have run in my family so I have intimate familiarity with mental illness.

What I read here, from you, is that you would rather attach a stigma and villify Islam and Muslims in general than look at reality in any kind of fair minded manner.

How many threads are there on attacks by Muslims? It's a never ending stream isn't it? And, by most of the crowd here - they are ALL treated as "extremists" or religion is blamed - in fact, before all the information is even available. You're assuming - even in the face of irrational/erratic behavior, that's it's religion - you don't even seem to question it and you deny mental illness even when it's possible. Every act of violence by a muslim is labeled with a "religious" motivation even when authorities refute it. So the question is -why? Some acts are extremist ideologically based violence, some acts are violence committed by people with shitty little lives and lots of issues who want to make a point (we can find many non-Muslim examples of people going "postal" without assuming ideological motives) and some acts are frankly the acts of untreated mentally ill people. The problem seems to be that when the person is Muslim, all other motivators go out the window. Unlike what you claim - I don't assign mental illness to all such attacks to mental illness, but clearly in some of these it is likely playing a part. So why do you deny it? Is denying it going encourage seeking of treatment? Families reporting problems? Improved access to care and reduced stigmas in communties where the stigma is so high it can't even be considered?

give it up---coyote dear-----even NUTS do what they do on a cultural basis-------your attempt to attribute the actions of the CELEBRATED MUSLIM HEROES to insanity------are silly

 

[irosie91]

Where did it it say anything about cultural problems? Last I heard, they had no motivation.

It didn't. I was asking you what you thought the motive was.

Not enough information to really say. It could be as simple as some guy who had a lot of issues and shitty little life.

The attacker, named as Mohamed B, 37, "may have acted out of religious motives", French television channel TF1 reported.

Despite the prosecutor's denial, TF1 reported that he was angry that the girls were wearing shorts.

...While a psychiatric examination found no evidence of mental illness...

And no evidence that there was a religious motivation. Or do you ignore that part?

yes-----I ignore that finding. If I did not perform the examination-----I will ignore it-----The PUBLISHED FINDING is politically motivated. Happens all the time to avoid COPY CAT incidents. Someone as sophisticated as are you in this field should KNOW that lots of this kind of stuff is covered up.

 

[Sundance508]

Mental illness and religiosity enjoy a close relationship. No one has ever claimed that all or even most jihadi attacks have mental illness as a component, but it's just as dishonest to across the board discount it. It seems when there is an article posted that mentions both the possibility of religoious motivation and mental illness, the mental illness is taken with a grain of salt, while the religious aspect flies unquestioned.

For some reason, people don't question the mental illness possibility if the attacker is non-Muslim: James Holmes, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho etc. Why is it when the attacker is Muslim, the possibility of mental illness is roundly dismissed?

Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder

Georgia Somali flag-attack story begs the question: why are we admitting refugees with serious mental illness?
This incident generated many postings...in the end, according to this article, she was determined to have mental health issues and not prosecuted for "hate crimes".

The man who drove his truck through a crowd in Nice was assessed by a psychiatrist in 2004 when his father became concerned about his behavior
Nice terror attack: 'soldier of Islam' Bouhlel 'took drugs and used dating sites to pick up men and women'

The recent shooter in Munich: Munich killer 'deliberately targeted teenagers for REVENGE'


What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza? Not much.

Wait

So now the excuse for islamic evil is they are insane.

fucking bullshit, you lying pile of dog vomit.


If that had even the slightest bit of truth to it, insane people would commit the most vile acts all over the world.

Wow. That's pretty uncalled for, but whatever.

What is the difference between Sonboly and Lanza?

Was Sandy Hook a vile act?

cherry picking vs a long standing pattern.

Why do you support mass murderers?

The vast majority of mentally ill people never hurt a soul. They are more likely to harm themselves, and are ten times more likely to be the victim of violence rather than be the perpetrator.
There is already stigma attached to mentally ill people, and to keep associating them with Islamic extremists who go on heinous killing sprees all over the world - day in and day out - butchering children and babies too- is not likely to help eradicate the unfair and inaccurate stigma applied to them. It may even discourage people from seeking the help and support they need.
It is a duplicitous, lazy ploy, designed to make us all take our eyes off the real problem - Islamic extremism and the hatred these people harbour for the West, for women and for our freedoms.

Great expose of those who are in denial...who pursue the fallacious agenda of constantly attempting to portray islam as a religion of peace and or attempting to apologize/excuse them.

Can these people really be that stupid or are they so obsessed with pursuing the liberal agenda/narrative they simply have no capacity left in their brain to discern the easilly observable truth....I mean you got to be awfully blind or stupid not to see what the motive of the islamic jihadists is. The BBC at one time was a good news service....that is obviouslly no longer the case....consumed with political correctness.