Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[xyz]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Awesome photograph from 1655. Do you have any more photographs from the 17th century?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

No idea.

Why DO you think slavery was okay?]

I don't.

Why Do you think slavery was okay?

You said that racists think slavery was okay. You are the only racist in this thread...
.

Why do you think that slavery was okay?

I never beat my wife in the first place, troll.

Why are you such a disgusting racist?

 

[Rustic]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

It was more about states rights than slavery… Dumbass

 

[Syriusly]

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Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

No idea.

Why DO you think slavery was okay?]

I don't.

Why Do you think slavery was okay?

You said that racists think slavery was okay. You are the only racist in this thread...
.

Why do you think that slavery was okay?

I never beat my wife in the first place, troll.

Why are you such a disgusting racist?

Why do you think your racism is acceptable?

 

[Syriusly]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

It was more about states rights than slavery… Dumbass

The state's rights to keep slavery legal in perpetuity.

Dumbass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Why do you think your racism is acceptable?

Why do you think being a ******* retard helps you, racist boi?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The state's rights to keep slavery legal in perpetuity.

Dumbass.

Comrade, rub both of your brain cells together and contemplate this, with the cotton gin and tractors, how long do you think slavery would last?

Can you mumble "economically nonviable?"

 

[hadit]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Does not negate the fact that the cause of the war was slavery

The north fought to preserve the union
The south stated slavery was the reason for their secession

Also does not negate the fact that history is not as simplistically black and white as the simple minded like to pretend. Rarely does it ever match the cartoon version loved by the simple minded who don't want to dig deeper than the crayon colored pictures in their history books.

 

[Syriusly]

The state's rights to keep slavery legal in perpetuity.

Dumbass.

Comrade"

Herr Dumbass

 

[Syriusly]

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Why do you think your racism is acceptable?

Why do you think being a ******* retard helps you, racist boi?

Great photo of you but you still haven't answered what made you such a hateful racist.

 

[Pogo]

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

I thought you were crying in the corner shit fer brains?

So let's look stupid ****, You lied that Jefferson started the vile and filthy party you belong to, yet now acknowledge that the party was founded in 1834.

"Go look" indeed, lying hackmouth. I've pointed out 1834 specifically, and van Buren, on this site every time it's come up, and I've *NEVER EVER* suggested Jefferson had anything to do with it. Prove me wrong, asscrack. Go quote me anywhere ever suggesting something I already know better than. Go visit my schooling Special Ed every time THAT particular doofus tried to suggest Jefferson founded the Republican Party, 28 years after his own death, while you're running away desperately from your fatuously clueless claim that Aaron Burr--- who left politics altogether -- and then the country -- in 1807 as already pointed out above, DUMBASS.

And again, there is no "party" I belong to. I belong to the I Learned How to ******* Read Party, K?

Start with Aaron Burr, democrat and traitor.

Kinda hard to do that since "Democrats" didn't even exist and were a quarter-century in the future when he left the country in disgrace for Europe. Where he did not go to found a party he would never be a part of, Shitferbrains.


You try to **** with me on history you never bothered to look up, yep damn right it'll come back to bite you. And leave marks. So **** you.

Jeffersonian Republicans


The Jeffersonian Republicans placed their faith in the virtues of an agrarian democracy. They believed that the greatest threat to liberty was posed by a tyrannical central government and that power in the hands of the common people was preferred. Those natural democratic instincts required sharpening, however, by education. In foreign affairs, the Jeffersonian-Republicans favored France over Britain. Jefferson lauded the French Revolution, which claimed the American Revolution as its model, but decried its bloody excesses. The Jeffersonian-Republicans opposed the Jay's Treaty (1795) as excessively pro-British.

The Jeffersonians began using the name Democratic-Republicans in 1796, and would later shorten it to Republicans. During the time of Andrew Jackson they became the Democratic Party.

BULLSHIT.

The party Madison and Jefferson started was indeed called the Democratic-Republican Party, which is a long name and was often shortened to "Republicans" and less often shortened to "Democrats" -- **NEITHER** of which "became" either later party that used the same nouns. NOR, Stupidass, was it related to the nativist American Republican Party of 1843, which went on to be better known as the Know Nothings and served, as far as there is one, as the ideological forerunner of the Ku Klux Klan. Of course if you're actually enough of a know-nothing cretin that you believe everything that uses the same name must be the same thing, you're welcome to that association, cretinous sludge of subhuman protoplasm.

And of course who can forget the founder of your filthy party calling Jefferson "that damned Republican?"

I'd have to say nobody, since there's no such person since there's no such party. Things that do not exist do not require a "founder". Who knew, right? ******* MORON.

Once AGAIN "Republican" was a short form of the tedious "Democratic-Republican". The actual Republican Party that exists today --- wasn't even founded until 1854.

Once AGAIN for the retarded, that's 1854, DUMBASS. In a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin. Made up of defecting Whigs and Know Nothings, and the third new party after Jackson that would use the word "republican" for a name, ZERO of which were the same as ANY of the others.

/offfuckingtopic

 

[Uncensored2008]

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

I thought you were crying in the corner shit fer brains?

So let's look stupid ****, You lied that Jefferson started the vile and filthy party you belong to, yet now acknowledge that the party was founded in 1834.

"Go look" indeed, lying hackmouth. I've pointed out 1834 specifically, and van Buren, on this site every time it's come up, and I've *NEVER EVER* suggested Jefferson had anything to do with it. Prove me wrong, asscrack. Go quote me anywhere ever suggesting something I already know better than. Go visit my schooling Special Ed every time THAT particular doofus tried to suggest Jefferson founded the Republican Party, 28 years after his own death, while you're running away desperately from your fatuously clueless claim that Aaron Burr--- who left politics altogether -- and then the country -- in 1807 as already pointed out above, DUMBASS.

And again, there is no "party" I belong to. I belong to the I Learned How to ******* Read Party, K?

Start with Aaron Burr, democrat and traitor.

Kinda hard to do that since "Democrats" didn't even exist and were a quarter-century in the future when he left the country in disgrace for Europe. Where he did not go to found a party he would never be a part of, Shitferbrains.


You try to **** with me on history you never bothered to look up, yep damn right it'll come back to bite you. And leave marks. So **** you.

Jeffersonian Republicans


The Jeffersonian Republicans placed their faith in the virtues of an agrarian democracy. They believed that the greatest threat to liberty was posed by a tyrannical central government and that power in the hands of the common people was preferred. Those natural democratic instincts required sharpening, however, by education. In foreign affairs, the Jeffersonian-Republicans favored France over Britain. Jefferson lauded the French Revolution, which claimed the American Revolution as its model, but decried its bloody excesses. The Jeffersonian-Republicans opposed the Jay's Treaty (1795) as excessively pro-British.

The Jeffersonians began using the name Democratic-Republicans in 1796, and would later shorten it to Republicans. During the time of Andrew Jackson they became the Democratic Party.

BULLSHIT.

The party Madison and Jefferson started was indeed called the Democratic-Republican Party, which is a long name and was often shortened to "Republicans" and less often shortened to "Democrats" -- **NEITHER** of which "became" either later party that used the same nouns. NOR, Stupidass, was it related to the nativist American Republican Party of 1843, which went on to be better known as the Know Nothings and served, as far as there is one, as the ideological forerunner of the Ku Klux Klan. Of course if you're actually enough of a know-nothing cretin that you believe everything that uses the same name must be the same thing, you're welcome to that association, cretinous sludge of subhuman protoplasm.

And of course who can forget the founder of your filthy party calling Jefferson "that damned Republican?"

I'd have to say nobody, since there's no such person since there's no such party. Things that do not exist do not require a "founder". Who knew, right? ******* MORON.

Once AGAIN "Republican" was a short form of the tedious "Democratic-Republican". The actual Republican Party that exists today --- wasn't even founded until 1854.

Once AGAIN for the retarded, that's 1854, DUMBASS. In a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin. Made up of defecting Whigs and Know Nothings, and the third new party after Jackson that would use the word "republican" for a name, ZERO of which were the same as ANY of the others.

/offfuckingtopic

what a lying loser.

 

[Syriusly]

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

I thought you were crying in the corner shit fer brains?

So let's look stupid ****, You lied that Jefferson started the vile and filthy party you belong to, yet now acknowledge that the party was founded in 1834.

"Go look" indeed, lying hackmouth. I've pointed out 1834 specifically, and van Buren, on this site every time it's come up, and I've *NEVER EVER* suggested Jefferson had anything to do with it. Prove me wrong, asscrack. Go quote me anywhere ever suggesting something I already know better than. Go visit my schooling Special Ed every time THAT particular doofus tried to suggest Jefferson founded the Republican Party, 28 years after his own death, while you're running away desperately from your fatuously clueless claim that Aaron Burr--- who left politics altogether -- and then the country -- in 1807 as already pointed out above, DUMBASS.

And again, there is no "party" I belong to. I belong to the I Learned How to ******* Read Party, K?

Start with Aaron Burr, democrat and traitor.

Kinda hard to do that since "Democrats" didn't even exist and were a quarter-century in the future when he left the country in disgrace for Europe. Where he did not go to found a party he would never be a part of, Shitferbrains.


You try to **** with me on history you never bothered to look up, yep damn right it'll come back to bite you. And leave marks. So **** you.

Jeffersonian Republicans


The Jeffersonian Republicans placed their faith in the virtues of an agrarian democracy. They believed that the greatest threat to liberty was posed by a tyrannical central government and that power in the hands of the common people was preferred. Those natural democratic instincts required sharpening, however, by education. In foreign affairs, the Jeffersonian-Republicans favored France over Britain. Jefferson lauded the French Revolution, which claimed the American Revolution as its model, but decried its bloody excesses. The Jeffersonian-Republicans opposed the Jay's Treaty (1795) as excessively pro-British.

The Jeffersonians began using the name Democratic-Republicans in 1796, and would later shorten it to Republicans. During the time of Andrew Jackson they became the Democratic Party.

BULLSHIT.

The party Madison and Jefferson started was indeed called the Democratic-Republican Party, which is a long name and was often shortened to "Republicans" and less often shortened to "Democrats" -- **NEITHER** of which "became" either later party that used the same nouns. NOR, Stupidass, was it related to the nativist American Republican Party of 1843, which went on to be better known as the Know Nothings and served, as far as there is one, as the ideological forerunner of the Ku Klux Klan. Of course if you're actually enough of a know-nothing cretin that you believe everything that uses the same name must be the same thing, you're welcome to that association, cretinous sludge of subhuman protoplasm.

And of course who can forget the founder of your filthy party calling Jefferson "that damned Republican?"

I'd have to say nobody, since there's no such person since there's no such party. Things that do not exist do not require a "founder". Who knew, right? ******* MORON.

Once AGAIN "Republican" was a short form of the tedious "Democratic-Republican". The actual Republican Party that exists today --- wasn't even founded until 1854.

Once AGAIN for the retarded, that's 1854, DUMBASS. In a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin. Made up of defecting Whigs and Know Nothings, and the third new party after Jackson that would use the word "republican" for a name, ZERO of which were the same as ANY of the others.

/offfuckingtopic

what a lying loser.

Tell us again about how everyone working in Silicon Valley and making hundreds of thousand dollars a year are just the same as the slaves who were raped and beaten and had their children sold off.

 

[jillian]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

I don't know what the hell you are talking about with regard to Republicans not knowing that the Civil War was about slavery. It's the Democrats who are still in denial. From them, the most frequent thing you hear is: "the Civil War was a war over economics and an overreaching federal government."
Democrats in Georgia still refer to the Civil War as the "great disappointment (since they lost)."

The only “overreaching” was not letting disgusting slave owners keep owning people. So wtf are you talking about?

 

[rightwinger]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Awesome photograph from 1655. Do you have any more photographs from the 17th century?

It must be real

They did not have photoshop in 1655

 

[rightwinger]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Does not negate the fact that the cause of the war was slavery

The north fought to preserve the union
The south stated slavery was the reason for their secession

Also does not negate the fact that history is not as simplistically black and white as the simple minded like to pretend. Rarely does it ever match the cartoon version loved by the simple minded who don't want to dig deeper than the crayon colored pictures in their history books.

Every situation has nuances

Doesn’t negate that without the issue of slavery, there would have been no war

 

[there4eyeM]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

It's what they do. By switching to GEICO, you too can save 15%.

Who has said that slavery was okay?

Our Founding Fathers saw the day when slavery would be done away with. That is the reason the phrase "All men are created equal" was included in our Declaration of Independence.

Their original intent is also expressed by "Perpetual Union".

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

1100 comments later and my statement is still true

 

[hadit]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Does not negate the fact that the cause of the war was slavery

The north fought to preserve the union
The south stated slavery was the reason for their secession

Also does not negate the fact that history is not as simplistically black and white as the simple minded like to pretend. Rarely does it ever match the cartoon version loved by the simple minded who don't want to dig deeper than the crayon colored pictures in their history books.

Every situation has nuances

Doesn’t negate that without the issue of slavery, there would have been no war

Of course, but pretending that history can be distilled down to a cartoon does no one any favors.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Does not negate the fact that the cause of the war was slavery

The north fought to preserve the union
The south stated slavery was the reason for their secession

Also does not negate the fact that history is not as simplistically black and white as the simple minded like to pretend. Rarely does it ever match the cartoon version loved by the simple minded who don't want to dig deeper than the crayon colored pictures in their history books.

Every situation has nuances

Doesn’t negate that without the issue of slavery, there would have been no war

Of course, but pretending that history can be distilled down to a cartoon does no one any favors.

No cartoon

But an acknowledgement of how we got there. Revising the cause to downplay the political role that slavery played in the 1850s and 1860s is dishonest