Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[mikegriffith1]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

 

[rightwinger]

What would the standard of living be today for the direct heirs of any slaves had no slaves ever been brought to America? Would they be better off than today or worse?

What would their standard of living be if they were paid for their labor like other immigrants?

Obviously, I was not clear, I'm sorry.

If no slaves had ever been brought to America, their heirs would not be here, they would be in Africa.

I understood where you were coming from
It is a common attempt to justify the institution of slavery

Fact is, if blacks were given the same opportunities as other immigrants, they would be much better off today

 

[rightwinger]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Does not negate the fact that the cause of the war was slavery

The north fought to preserve the union
The south stated slavery was the reason for their secession

 

[Pogo]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

It's what they do. By switching to GEICO, you too can save 15%.

Who has said that slavery was okay?

Our Founding Fathers saw the day when slavery would be done away with. That is the reason the phrase "All men are created equal" was included in our Declaration of Independence.

Actually that's there because they were Liberals announcing the arrival of Liberalism, that meaning that power derives from the consent of the governed and not from some hierarchy of royalty and clergy ---- as had been the case up to that moment.

That was a thumb in the eye of the old governmental system they were in fact declaring independence FROM. Because in a monarchy all men are not created equal. Some are created kings and others are bloody peasants.

 

[Pogo]

OKT's trying to use weasel words to first have it both ways, and then deny he wanted to have it the way that got busted.

It's a popular sport here. Where nobody ever wins.

I noticed you ran away with no rebuttal, did you run out of spin?

Ever hear the expression "You can't fix Stupid"?

Yeah, but I'm not interested in talking about you.


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He wasn’t. It you’re too stupid to know that.

Aw, pogo needs the fake lawyer to defend it, how cute. LMAO

Actually all I needed were the two clueless posts you made right here:

The only one celebrating slavery seems to be you.

No one on this board approved of slavery. It was barbaric and everyone on this board knows it. The op is about what caused the Civil War.

You think it was slavery. I and others think it was more about State Rights. Slavery was a part of it but not the main part. We have a difference of opinion. Period.

Hell the emancipation proclamation wasn't signed till 1863. That should tell anyone smarter than a rock that slavery wasn't the major cause of the civil war. If it had been that bill would have been signed three years earlier.

It wasn't a bill, it was an illegal proclamation made by Lincoln. Slavery wasn't officially abolished until the passage of the 13th Amendment.

True the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't made until 1863- but illegal?

Never was declared so- and Lincoln carefully worded it to be within his authority as the Commander in Chief-

Just the lovers of the Rebel Slave states are pissed off that Lincoln told their slaves that they would be freed.

There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the commander in chief to unilaterally write laws. Slavery was legal, he had no authority to declare it otherwise, by proclamation.

True the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't made until 1863- but illegal?

Never was declared so- and Lincoln carefully worded it to be within his authority as the Commander in Chief-

Just the lovers of the Rebel Slave states are pissed off that Lincoln told their slaves that they would be freed.

There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the commander in chief to unilaterally write laws. Slavery was legal, he had no authority to declare it otherwise, by proclamation.

---- which I then corrected ... nicely I might add .... way back here two hundred posts ago, last Thursday, thusly:

I think the difference is the EP wasn't a "law" of the United States. It was a military order effective in occupied war territory (the Confederacy had by definition left the United States).

The EP did not "declare slavery illegal". It only declared that those who had been slaves in certain occupied territory were freed of their status. Actually abolition of Slavery was effected by the 13th Amendment in December of 1865, at which time none of the seceded states had been readmitted yet.

And here two days later you're still so butthurt about getting set straight, and so childish that you can't just admit it, that here you are assigning me not only a lowercase name but a neuter gender with it.

Time to grow the **** up, Twinkles.

 

[Pogo]

It isn’t about states rights. It’s about 1:4 of the country hating the fact that blacks, gays, women etc have to be treated equally under federal law.

They’ve just crawled out from the woodwork since donald taking the White House

Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. ....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

 

[Syriusly]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Let's see.
When the Confederate Slave states announced their secession, multiple states announced that slavery was the main issue- maintaining their slave ownership 'rights'. They even wrote their Constitution to ensure their perpetual ownership of slaves. They even announced that it was due to the election of Abraham Lincoln- and his opposition to slavery- as the reason why they chose to secede then. Southern leaders like the Vice President of the Confederacy even talked about how slavery was the cause- here let me quote him>

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

Conservative conclusion: The war was not over slavery!

 

[Syriusly]

^ Whites are to blame....

We should have never taken anyone from Africa!

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

It's what they do. By switching to GEICO, you too can save 15%.

Who has said that slavery was okay?

Our Founding Fathers saw the day when slavery would be done away with. That is the reason the phrase "All men are created equal" was included in our Declaration of Independence.

Fascinating- so you think that the Founding Fathers actually thought that negro slaves were their equal in 1776?

 

[Syriusly]

Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. ....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

I think it is hilarious as to how leftards tout their pathetic political party of jacobins/fabian socialists that gave the country the Federal Reserve Act, the 16th amendment, the gold confiscation of the people and then pledged their labor as surety against the debt of USA.INC after it went bankrupt in 1933. They then adopted the platform of the 1930's socialist model based off of the teachings of Karl Marx at a secret caucus in 1980 and every candidate since proves it...hell, they tried to nominate an unabashed socialist/commie in 2016.

The bottom line is that leftards know absolutely zilch about the creation of fiat currency backed by nothing of an intrinsic value, they believe that confiscating the sweat equity of one that barters his/her labor in exchange for something to trade with is "just" and fair per the communist manifesto. Leftards suffer from arrested development and a sense of entitlement. They are not pissed that some seem to not have it so good as they are pissed that some just seem to have it too good.

The contards must take great comfort in knowing that the Konspiracy King- Dale Smith- is on their side......

 

[LuckyDuck]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

I don't know what the hell you are talking about with regard to Republicans not knowing that the Civil War was about slavery. It's the Democrats who are still in denial. From them, the most frequent thing you hear is: "the Civil War was a war over economics and an overreaching federal government."
Democrats in Georgia still refer to the Civil War as the "great disappointment (since they lost)."

 

[Syriusly]

The same Conservatives who pat themselves on the back about ending slavery are now rewriting history to say the war was not about slavery

The same Communist democrats who held these slave and started the first civil war .

LOL- I love the revisionist history of the idiotic contards- the communists that existed before Karl Marx......lol

Apple is a new plantation, as is Google, Facebook, Twitter, et al. Zuckerburg sits in the porch sipping merlot while watching the slaves toil for his comfort.

LOL- you are as loony as Dale Smith

How loony do you have to be to compare slaves who were beaten and raped and had their children sold away from them- to the persons who willingly get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to work in comfort and safety at Google?

Yes- Censy think these workers:

Are the same as these

 

[Syriusly]

[

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

No idea.

Why DO you think slavery was okay?]

I don't.

Why Do you think slavery was okay?

 

[rightwinger]

Let's see: At the start of the war, the House of Representatives passed a resolution that swore that the war was *not* being fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln said numerous times that the war was not against slavery. Southern leaders insisted, even in their private communications, that they were not fighting to protect slavery but to preserve Southern independence. Liberal conclusion: The war was fought over slavery!

Let's see.
When the Confederate Slave states announced their secession, multiple states announced that slavery was the main issue- maintaining their slave ownership 'rights'. They even wrote their Constitution to ensure their perpetual ownership of slaves. They even announced that it was due to the election of Abraham Lincoln- and his opposition to slavery- as the reason why they chose to secede then. Southern leaders like the Vice President of the Confederacy even talked about how slavery was the cause- here let me quote him>

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

Conservative conclusion: The war was not over slavery!

You don’t understand

It was about a States right to allow slavery
See the difference?

 

[Pogo]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

I don't know what the hell you are talking about with regard to Republicans not knowing that the Civil War was about slavery. It's the Democrats who are still in denial. From them, the most frequent thing you hear is: "the Civil War was a war over economics and an overreaching federal government."
Democrats in Georgia still refer to the Civil War as the "great disappointment (since they lost)."

Um... it doesn't even mention "Republicans". It says "conservatives".

So does the title.

Read much?

 

[Markle]

Fascinating- so you think that the Founding Fathers actually thought that negro slaves were their equal in 1776?

Not at all, and they were not. But they laid the groundwork for the future.

 

[Syriusly]

Fascinating- so you think that the Founding Fathers actually thought that negro slaves were their equal in 1776?

Not at all, and they were not. But they laid the groundwork for the future.

I have no argument with that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. ....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

I thought you were crying in the corner shit fer brains?

So let's look stupid ****, You lied that Jefferson started the vile and filthy party you belong to, yet now acknowledge that the party was founded in 1834.

See, this is one of the dangers of being a ******* liar the way you are, contradiction is inherent in being a liar the way you are.

Now let's tear apart you other lies, shall we?

Start with Aaron Burr, democrat and traitor. Treason has been part of being a democrat from the very start, you are in fine company slugo. Burr broke with Jefferson's Republicans after being denied the presidency. Burr became one of the founders of the Tammany Hall, the corrupt democrat machine that went on for a century.

Now as for your lie about Jefferson;

{
Jeffersonian Republicans


The Jeffersonian Republicans placed their faith in the virtues of an agrarian democracy. They believed that the greatest threat to liberty was posed by a tyrannical central government and that power in the hands of the common people was preferred. Those natural democratic instincts required sharpening, however, by education. In foreign affairs, the Jeffersonian-Republicans favored France over Britain. Jefferson lauded the French Revolution, which claimed the American Revolution as its model, but decried its bloody excesses. The Jeffersonian-Republicans opposed the Jay's Treaty (1795) as excessively pro-British.

The Jeffersonians began using the name Democratic-Republicans in 1796, and would later shorten it to Republicans. During the time of Andrew Jackson they became the Democratic Party.

Over the course of history the idealistic Jeffersonian philosophy lost out to Federalism.[/quote]

Jeffersonian Republicans


And of course who can forget the founder of your filthy party calling Jefferson "that damned Republican?"

United States presidential election, 1828 - Wikipedia

See slugo, you're not "wrong," you're lying. You intend to deceive.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Oh look, the fake lawyer crawled out of the sewer to spew her racist lies. ....

Poor little Fascist contard always crawling out to explain how the only racists are 'Democrats'

DERP

You and lying slugo are quite the pair. Bet you ALMOST break double digits with your combined IQ.

I said nothing of "only Stalinists" are racists. I pointed out that Jillian is a racist. Grasp the difference, comrade?

democrats do tend to be the most racist people in the country, and you have been since Jackson founded your filthy party on the trail of tears. But I never said you are the ONLY racists.

Now here he is claiming "Jackson" founded the party --- after his own linked post just said "Jefferson and Madison" founded it. All of which are incorrect and all of which are irrelevant to the topic. Changes his positions with the ticking of the minute hand and is actually dense enough to think nobody will notice.

Poor attention-starved troll.

Really, you lying kunt? Do endeavor to highlight my "own link" that says such an absurd and false thing?

Oh wait, you're just lying - as always.

Jacksonian Democracy - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Andrew Jackson and Aaron Burr founded the democrat party - simple fact.

The Republicans of Jefferson were openly hated by the democrats, just as you hate Republicans today, you lying toad.

Here it is in simple terms - you ******* lying pile of shit.

******* retard. "Democratic Party" wasn't even coined until 1834 --- after Martin van Buren had organized the loose contingent of those who supported Andrew Jackson and known only loosely as "Jacksonians". Jackson himself didn't do it, nor did Aaron Burr ---- who had left politics altogether after being charged with treason in 1807, and was in no position for the rest of his life to found a goddam thing, flaming Dumbass --- NOR were Jefferson's "Republicans" --- short form for "Democratic Republicans" --- even remotely related to the modern Republican Party which wasn't founded until 28 years after Jefferson was already DEAD, flaming Dumbass.

Good god, this is the level of head-up-the-assery usually reserved for Special Ed, who comes on this board claiming Thomas Jefferson founded the Republican Party 28 years after his own death. You should stick to subjects you might have a clue about, like picking your nose. ******* dipshit.


All irrelevant to the topic but so far Pothead's got the Democratic Party (which he can't even spell) founded by:

• Andrew Jackson
• James Madison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Aaron Burr

only a matter of the next post before he adds:

• Michael Moore
• Saul Belinsky
• Jefferson Davis
• Pol Pot
• Lizzie Borden
• Karl Marx
• Vasco da Gama
• David Hogg
• Buzz Aldrin
• Evel Knievel
• Garner Ted Armstrong
• Paul McCartney's body double
• Thousands of Muslims Dancing on Rooftops

Oh and retard, you Marxists are democrats, not "democratics"

One does not use a verb as a name, stupid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

No idea.

Why DO you think slavery was okay?]

I don't.

Why Do you think slavery was okay?

You said that racists think slavery was okay. You are the only racist in this thread...

Besides you and your filthy party are the ones who fought to keep slaves. You and your filthy party are the ones demanding Mexican and central American's be imported as virtual slaves now.

 

[Syriusly]

[

Why do racists think this means that slavery was okay?

No idea.

Why DO you think slavery was okay?]

I don't.

Why Do you think slavery was okay?

You said that racists think slavery was okay. You are the only racist in this thread...
.

Why do you think that slavery was okay?