I have no argument against that. I do, however, oppose the simplistic thought that slavery was the one and only cause of the Civil War. Down that road lies ignorance.
Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery
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I have no argument against that. I do, however, oppose the simplistic thought that slavery was the one and only cause of the Civil War. Down that road lies ignorance.
Uncensored2008
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Tell us again about how everyone working in Silicon Valley and making hundreds of thousand dollars a year are just the same as the slaves who were raped and beaten and had their children sold off.
Everyone in Silicon Valley is making hundreds of thousands a year?
Well shit sparky, what are you doing living in your mom's basement collecting SSI then?
The truth of course is that Apple and Google really don't pay very well. Early employees were granted stock options that made them rich, but the IPO's are long over.
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The good paying software engineering jobs have been outsourced to India. Even if you WERE one of the few who had a job in the USA, Obama took care of that with the H1B fiasco.
While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney Worldticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.
Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.
“I just couldn’t believe they could fly people in to sit at our desks and take over our jobs exactly,” said one former worker, an American in his 40s who remains unemployed since his last day at Disney on Jan. 30. “It was so humiliating to train somebody else to take over your job. I still can’t grasp it.”
Disney executives said that the layoffs were part of a reorganization, and that the company opened more positions than it eliminated.
But the layoffs at Disney and at other companies, including the Southern California Edison power utility, are raising new questions about how businesses and outsourcing companies are using the temporary visas, known as H-1B, to place immigrants in technology jobs in the United States. These visas are at the center of a fierce debate in Congress over whether they complement American workers or displace them.
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Pink Slips at Disney. But First, Training Foreign Replacements.
You Communists are doing what you ALWAYS do, concentrating all wealth in the hands of a .0000001% ruling elite.
But this is going to change, either through Trump, or through more forceful means.
Uncensored2008
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Those "disgusting slave owners" were people like you, democrats who demanded government power be used to subdue the individual and subvert the Constitution.
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All other reasons pale in comparison
The south seceded over slavery. They would not have seceded over the other issues
keepitreal
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keep it down mister
It's false. Already told you that back in post 1100.
Here's much more on the attempted colony of San Miguel de Gualdape ---- sorry it's actual historical text and not the infallible authority of Googly Images (/sarc)
>> In June 1526, Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón, a wealthy Spanish official in the city of Santo Domingo, Hispaniola, founded a colony at or near the mouth of the Pee Dee River in [what is now] eastern South Carolina. Six decades before Roanoke Island (1587), eight decades before Jamestown (1607), and almost a century before the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock (1620), Ayllón began his North American dream.
Ayllón’s effort has been overlooked, perhaps because most people prefer to believe that US life began with the arrival of English-speaking Anglo-Saxons living under British law. Perhaps his settlement is neglected because of its tragic fate— death by mismanagement, disease, and slave revolt. Perhaps it is unmentioned because of its unique rebirth in the woods by people not considered a worthy part of the US heritage.
... After some delays his fleet of six vessels sailed from Puerto de la Plata. Aboard were five hundred Spanish men and women, one hundred enslaved Africans, six or seven dozen horses, and physicians, sailors, and several Dominican priests.
.... Selecting a location in a low, marshy area, Ayllón ordered his men to set up camp. He paused to name his settlement “San Miguel de Gualdape.” When he ordered the Africans to begin building homes, he launched black slavery in the United States.
The neighboring natives fled inland and stayed away. It was probably enough for them that the Europeans who had seized seventy of their loved ones had now returned with Africans in chains.
Europeans, arriving to exploit land and labor, contrasted in many ways with the peaceful natives. The Indians lived harmoniously with nature and shared huge pine, weather-insulated homes that slept about three hundred people each. Europeans tried to construct homes that kept men and women in separate rooms. Europeans wrote that these Indians lived long lives and “their old age is robust.” While European men dominated their women, Indian women doctors served their people plant juices to cure fevers.
Selecting a location in a low, marshy area, Ayllón ordered his men to set up camp. He paused to name his settlement “San Miguel de Gualdape.” When he ordered the Africans to begin building homes, he launched black slavery in the United States.
The neighboring natives fled inland and stayed away. It was probably enough for them that the Europeans who had seized seventy of their loved ones had now returned with Africans in chains.
Europeans, arriving to exploit land and labor, contrasted in many ways with the peaceful natives. The Indians lived harmoniously with nature and shared huge pine, weather-insulated homes that slept about three hundred people each. Europeans tried to construct homes that kept men and women in separate rooms. Europeans wrote that these Indians lived long lives and “their old age is robust.” While European men dominated their women, Indian women doctors served their people plant juices to cure fevers.
.... In November a crisis erupted when Africans rebelled and fled to Indian villages. One authority on slave revolts believes the revolt was instigated by Native Americans angry over whites using their land. Africans, used to freedom in their homeland, probably needed no outside prodding to strike for liberty. They understandably fled enslavement in a dying European colony to start new lives in the woods among people who also rejected European enslavement.
The surviving 150 Spanish men and women, no longer able to face a freezing winter without shelter or their labor supply, packed up and sailed back to Santo Domingo. It would be another quarter of a century before Spanish colonists would arrive to build another North American colony with slave labor.
San Miguel de Gualdape was not a total failure as the first foreign colony on US soil. The Europeans left after five months, but Africans remained to build their society with Native Americans. In the unplanned way that history meanders and careens, a new community emerged in the woods – one that also included foreigners from overseas, the Africans. This new mixed Indigenous and foreigner settlement would soon sprout many American models, often called Maroon colonies.
In distant South Carolina forests, two and a half centuries before the Declaration of Independence, two people of color lit the first fires of freedom and exalted its principles. Though neither white, [nor] Christian, nor European, they established the first settlement of any permanence on these shores to include people from overseas. They qualify as our earliest inheritance. <<
Just to be clear, this is the first known example of Europeans enslaving Africans. The first instance of Europeans enslaving anybody in the Americas was of course Columbus with his sending captured natives out to look for gold and then cutting off their hands when they came back emptyhanded since they were simply not in a gold area.Ayllón’s effort has been overlooked, perhaps because most people prefer to believe that US life began with the arrival of English-speaking Anglo-Saxons living under British law. Perhaps his settlement is neglected because of its tragic fate— death by mismanagement, disease, and slave revolt. Perhaps it is unmentioned because of its unique rebirth in the woods by people not considered a worthy part of the US heritage.
... After some delays his fleet of six vessels sailed from Puerto de la Plata. Aboard were five hundred Spanish men and women, one hundred enslaved Africans, six or seven dozen horses, and physicians, sailors, and several Dominican priests.
.... Selecting a location in a low, marshy area, Ayllón ordered his men to set up camp. He paused to name his settlement “San Miguel de Gualdape.” When he ordered the Africans to begin building homes, he launched black slavery in the United States.
The neighboring natives fled inland and stayed away. It was probably enough for them that the Europeans who had seized seventy of their loved ones had now returned with Africans in chains.
Europeans, arriving to exploit land and labor, contrasted in many ways with the peaceful natives. The Indians lived harmoniously with nature and shared huge pine, weather-insulated homes that slept about three hundred people each. Europeans tried to construct homes that kept men and women in separate rooms. Europeans wrote that these Indians lived long lives and “their old age is robust.” While European men dominated their women, Indian women doctors served their people plant juices to cure fevers.
Selecting a location in a low, marshy area, Ayllón ordered his men to set up camp. He paused to name his settlement “San Miguel de Gualdape.” When he ordered the Africans to begin building homes, he launched black slavery in the United States.
The neighboring natives fled inland and stayed away. It was probably enough for them that the Europeans who had seized seventy of their loved ones had now returned with Africans in chains.
Europeans, arriving to exploit land and labor, contrasted in many ways with the peaceful natives. The Indians lived harmoniously with nature and shared huge pine, weather-insulated homes that slept about three hundred people each. Europeans tried to construct homes that kept men and women in separate rooms. Europeans wrote that these Indians lived long lives and “their old age is robust.” While European men dominated their women, Indian women doctors served their people plant juices to cure fevers.
.... In November a crisis erupted when Africans rebelled and fled to Indian villages. One authority on slave revolts believes the revolt was instigated by Native Americans angry over whites using their land. Africans, used to freedom in their homeland, probably needed no outside prodding to strike for liberty. They understandably fled enslavement in a dying European colony to start new lives in the woods among people who also rejected European enslavement.
The surviving 150 Spanish men and women, no longer able to face a freezing winter without shelter or their labor supply, packed up and sailed back to Santo Domingo. It would be another quarter of a century before Spanish colonists would arrive to build another North American colony with slave labor.
San Miguel de Gualdape was not a total failure as the first foreign colony on US soil. The Europeans left after five months, but Africans remained to build their society with Native Americans. In the unplanned way that history meanders and careens, a new community emerged in the woods – one that also included foreigners from overseas, the Africans. This new mixed Indigenous and foreigner settlement would soon sprout many American models, often called Maroon colonies.
In distant South Carolina forests, two and a half centuries before the Declaration of Independence, two people of color lit the first fires of freedom and exalted its principles. Though neither white, [nor] Christian, nor European, they established the first settlement of any permanence on these shores to include people from overseas. They qualify as our earliest inheritance. <<
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Blacks were not victims of slavery
They were victims of states rights
They were victims of states rights
Tell us again about how everyone working in Silicon Valley and making hundreds of thousand dollars a year are just the same as the slaves who were raped and beaten and had their children sold off.
Everyone in Silicon Valley is making hundreds of thousands a year?
Ah sparky. Reading comprehension is so helpful.
Tell us again about how everyone working in Silicon Valley and making hundreds of thousand dollars a year are just the same as the slaves who were raped and beaten and had their children sold off
That you think those who are making hundreds of thousands a year in Silicon Valley are just as much slaves as those who were raped and beaten and had their children sold off just shows how loony you are.
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Yes, the practice of owning slaves was disgusting -- doesn't mean you cant look back fondly on Great Great Great Grandpa Jasper and how well he may have treated his slaves -- but you don't get to tell how other people should look back at ole Jasper -- especially if it was their great great great grandpa ole Jasper owned -- even if they were happy and sang and dance and shucked and jived for massa
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Great Great Great Great Grandpa Jasper was also fond of Brown Sugar
Linkie?
Funny, I haven't read anywhere that a political party was ever required to own a slave.
Maybe we should ask Aaron Burr. Ya think?
May not have mentioned it before but it's hilarious that for his defiance-of-linear-time revisionism fantasy, Pothead chooses Aaron Burr --- who called for abolishing slavery as far back as 1784. Then he wants to play the Lumpy 1 "Democrats invented slavery" parlor game in the same breath. Expecting different results.
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Linkie?
Funny, I haven't read anywhere that a political party was ever required to own a slave.
Maybe we should ask Aaron Burr. Ya think?
May not have mentioned it before but it's hilarious that for his defiance-of-linear-time revisionism fantasy, Pothead chooses Aaron Burr --- who called for abolishing slavery as far back as 1784. Then he wants to play the Lumpy 1 "Democrats invented slavery" parlor game in the same breath. Expecting different results.
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Eh, don't bug me Pogo.. remove me from your brain...
Uncensored2008
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Uncensored2008
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Linkie?
Funny, I haven't read anywhere that a political party was ever required to own a slave.
Maybe we should ask Aaron Burr. Ya think?
May not have mentioned it before but it's hilarious that for his defiance-of-linear-time revisionism fantasy, Pothead chooses Aaron Burr --- who called for abolishing slavery as far back as 1784. Then he wants to play the Lumpy 1 "Democrats invented slavery" parlor game in the same breath. Expecting different results.
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I thought you ran off crying and shrieked you were putting me on iggy, little slugo?
Now you are a dishonest ****, a scumbag with zero integrity - we all no that. No one said that you vile Stalinist democrats invented slavery.
I recall something about the Israelite's and Pharaoh. Of course you're a JOOOOOOOO hating democrat, so you no doubt think that was a grand thing...
Biff_Poindexter
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Since that made entirely no sense --- deflection noted.
Uncensored2008
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Well now, since it made perfect sense, intellectual deficiency noted.
keepitreal
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Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.
The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....
That statement alone, tells me you are not
Kosh
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Actually the cause to rally behind was Slavery, but the real reason was cotton..
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