Zone1 More speculation on the point that Most People End up in Hell

[nomadic5]

There are a plethora of reasons for most people ending up in Hell

I say one of them is.. and maybe this is the "biggest" one or primary one

People do NOT want to make sacrifices. they don't want to give up their sins, for one. Then even when they do or try to, they don't want to make themselves uncomfortable by doing such things as: helping the economically needy as Christ said to do in Mt 25:31. In that same psg He said that if we refuse to help people, or at least "the least of His people" we end up in "eternal punishment" (the JWs will disagree because according to them there is no eternal punishment... so you can believe Jesus or believe the JWs, it's up to you).

People (including yours truly) do not appreciate difficulty. They do difficult regardless, however, when it will do something good for themselves, like for example, they will obey their boss, clean out some grubby storage room or what have you... bc they want to impress the boss. But when it comes to their spare time, they don't want to use it to please THE Boss, don't want to help out at the local soup kitchen or whatever. There are so many other good things besides that that a person could do for the Lord but we dn't always want to do ... much of any of it. We have to force ourselves sometimes and most just shrug and say "Bleh.... I'm going to watch TV"

 

[nomadic5]

so much interest in this topic!

It kind of proves the point made in OP

 

[BackAgain]

It makes no sense for there to even be a hell. And it makes less sense that most people would end up in a hell.

 

[nomadic5]

It makes no sense for there to even be a hell. And it makes less sense that most people would end up in a hell.

It makes total sense to me and I would bet money I am a lot older than you and more experienced in spiritual matters. I have read the entire DRB (Bible)

But actually it's my experiences on this earth that make me realize it is true most people end up there--LONG story there, but a very interesting one.

And most who end up there didn't believe in Hell

 

[BackAgain]

It makes total sense to me and I would bet money I am a lot older than you and more experienced in spiritual matters. I have read the entire DRB (Bible)

But actually it's my experiences on this earth that make me realize it is true most people end up there--LONG story there, but a very interesting one.

And most who end up there didn't believe in Hell

I’m probably older than you. But that’s not the point. The point is that any divine Creator who did create all of the universe would be unlikely to create Hell.

 

[ninja007]

Revelation 21:8 ESV / 1,807 helpful votes​

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But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 10:28 ESV / 1,596 helpful votes​

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And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 25:46 ESV / 1,499 helpful votes​

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And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Revelation 20:10 ESV / 1,357 helpful votes​

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And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Romans 6:23 ESV / 1,239 helpful votes​

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For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Matthew 25:41 ESV / 1,177 helpful votes​

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“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 20:15 ESV / 1,137 helpful votes​

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And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Matthew 5:22 ESV / 1,089 helpful votes​

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But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Revelation 14:11 ESV / 1,052 helpful votes​

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And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

2 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 976 helpful votes​

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They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

Matthew 13:50 ESV / 938 helpful votes​

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And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

2 Peter 2:4 ESV / 869 helpful votes​

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For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Revelation 20:14 ESV / 826 helpful votes​

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Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Jude 1:7 ESV / 796 helpful votes​

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Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Matthew 23:33 ESV / 725 helpful votes​

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You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?

Mark 9:43 ESV / 721 helpful votes​

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And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.

Revelation 19:20 ESV / 704 helpful votes​

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And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Matthew 5:29 ESV / 647 helpful votes​

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If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.

John 3:16-18 ESV / 639 helpful votes​

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“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Luke 16:19-31 ESV / 633 helpful votes​

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“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. ...

Luke 16:23 ESV / 618 helpful votes​

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And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

Mark 9:43-48 ESV / 609 helpful votes​

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And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

Mark 9:48 ESV / 599 helpful votes​

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‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

John 3:16 ESV / 578 helpful votes​

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“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Luke 12:5 ESV / 555 helpful votes​

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But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Matthew 16:18 ESV / 547 helpful votes​

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And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hebrews 9:27 ESV / 539 helpful votes​

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And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

John 3:36 ESV / 526 helpful votes​

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Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Matthew 5:30 ESV / 500 helpful votes​

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And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Acts 2:27 ESV / 498 helpful votes​

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For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption.

Daniel 12:2 ESV / 479 helpful votes​

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And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Psalm 16:10 ESV / 467 helpful votes​

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For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.

Psalm 9:17 ESV / 465 helpful votes​

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The wicked shall return to Sheol, all the nations that forget God.

Matthew 8:12 ESV / 450 helpful votes​

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While the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 13:42 ESV / 445 helpful votes​

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And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 1:18 ESV / 440 helpful votes​

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And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

Matthew 3:12 ESV / 429 helpful votes​

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His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Proverbs 15:24 ESV / 429 helpful votes​

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The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

Matthew 18:9 ESV / 415 helpful votes​

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And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

Luke 10:15 ESV / 401 helpful votes​

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And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You shall be brought down to Hades.

Acts 2:31 ESV / 399 helpful votes​

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He foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Matthew 7:13-14 ESV / 397 helpful votes​

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“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Proverbs 23:14 ESV / 397 helpful votes​

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If you strike him with the rod, you will save his soul from Sheol.

Matthew 7:21-23 ESV / 392 helpful votes​

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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

2 Peter 3:9 ESV / 390 helpful votes​

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The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

Jude 1:13 ESV / 379 helpful votes​

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Wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.

 

[ninja007]

I’m probably older than you. But that’s not the point. The point is that any divine Creator who did create all of the universe would be unlikely to create Hell.

Did God create hell? | GotQuestions.org

Did God create hell? Why did God create hell? For what purpose was hell created?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Clyde 154]

It makes no sense for there to even be a hell. And it makes less sense that most people would end up in a hell.

Of course for all those who are serving the god of this world and the flesh.....hell would not make sense.

Hell was created by God for Satan and his angels (angel: messenger, one who is sent). Hell is reserved for Satan and his angels/demons/minions. (Matthew 25:41) Satan is the "god" of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Unless you repent and allow yourself to be "Called Out" from this world and it's corruption.........Hell is reserved for YOU. "If ye were of this world; the world would love its own; but, because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of this world, therefore the world hates you." -- John 15:19

The literal meaning of "church" is those who are called out..........in the original Greek the term is "EKKLESIA". Hell is reserved for all of us as we are all sinners by free will, you lie if you say "I have no sin" .........but the Christ is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess our sins and repent (turn away toward a righteous direction with your life mind....with an admission of your sinful nature) -- 1 John 1:8-10.

Since Adam.......all of mankind has been under a certain sentence of death. "Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all have sinned (notice......the passage declares that all men "have sinned", (Romans 5:12) not........are born into sin) If all men are born into sin.........Was Jesus Christ born a sinner when the scriptures declare He was Born of Woman, Born under the law...was tempted like all men yet sinned not? (Gal. 4:4-5, Hebrews 4:15)

Salvation/life for the spirit of man, the called out.......is a gift, paid for by the sacrificial blood of the Messiah, Christ Jesus (Acts 20:28) So simple, so easy........yet the vast majority of men will choose to serve the god of this world and sentence themselves to hell.......basically because of the same sin that caused Satan to be cast from heaven........PRIDE.

 

[nomadic5]

I’m probably older than you. But that’s not the point. The point is that any divine Creator who did create all of the universe would be unlikely to create Hell.

He had to have some place to put Satan after Satan rejected Him

Anyone who follows Satan logically ends up with Satan

 

[nomadic5]

Of course for all those who are serving the god of this world and the flesh.....hell would not make sense.

Hell was created by God for Satan and his angels (angel: messenger, one who is sent). Hell is reserved for Satan and his angels/demons/minions. (Matthew 25:41) Satan is the "god" of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Unless you repent and allow yourself to be "Called Out" from this world and it's corruption.........Hell is reserved for YOU. "If ye were of this world; the world would love its own; but, because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of this world, therefore the world hates you." -- John 15:19

The literal meaning of "church" is those who are called out..........in the original Greek the term is "EKKLESIA". Hell is reserved for all of us as we are all sinners by free will, you lie if you say "I have no sin" .........but the Christ is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess our sins and repent (turn away toward a righteous direction with your life mind....with an admission of your sinful nature) -- 1 John 1:8-10.

Since Adam.......all of mankind has been under a certain sentence of death. "Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all have sinned (notice......the passage declares that all men "have sinned", (Romans 5:12) not........are born into sin) If all men are born into sin.........Was Jesus Christ born a sinner when the scriptures declare He was Born of Woman, Born under the law...was tempted like all men yet sinned not? (Gal. 4:4-5, Hebrews 4:15)

Salvation/life for the spirit of man, the called out.......is a gift, paid for by the sacrificial blood of the Messiah, Christ Jesus (Acts 20:28) So simple, so easy........yet the vast majority of men will choose to serve the god of this world and sentence themselves to hell.......basically because of the same sin that caused Satan to be cast from heaven........PRIDE.

AMEN

refreshing to go through an entire post and not find anything heretical

 

[Bezukhov]

Don't forget that seeing people burning in Hell gets Jesus aroused, Excited. Randy. You know what I mean.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Ever notice that whenever anyone checks out, all their friends and family always talk about ''oh, I'm sure he's looking down on all of us and smiling!"

Nobody ever says, ''oh, that cat's roasting in hell, for sure.''

 

[nomadic5]

Don't forget that seeing people burning in Hell gets Jesus aroused, Excited. Randy. You know what I mean.

projection?

 

[nomadic5]

Ever notice that whenever anyone checks out, all their friends and family always talk about ''oh, I'm sure he's looking down on all of us and smiling!"

Nobody ever says, ''oh, that cat's roasting in hell, for sure.''

I've noticed. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to hear someone say that some person who just died is "in Heaven."

objectively presumptuous

subjectively: wishful thinking

 

[Natural Citizen]

I've noticed. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard to hear someone say that some person who just died is "in Heaven."

objectively presumptuous

subjectively: wishful thinking

It's a heck of a thing.

 

[nomadic5]

It's a heck of a thing.

Jesus Himself said that most people don't make it. People do not like NARROW (Jesus said the Way to Heaven is narrow and there are few who find it)

 

[Bezukhov]

projection?

Uh, no. What I'm trying to understand is why eternal torment, and not, let's say, a complete cessation of consciousness upon death. What benefits are there for Him with eternal torment?

 

[Frankenstein]

Ever notice that whenever anyone checks out, all their friends and family always talk about ''oh, I'm sure he's looking down on all of us and smiling!"

Nobody ever says, ''oh, that cat's roasting in hell, for sure.''

They are in a better place is what I hear a lot, and know better with some, I guess it makes people feel better, and gets them through it.

 

[BackAgain]

Of course for all those who are serving the god of this world and the flesh.....hell would not make sense.

Hell was created by God for Satan and his angels (angel: messenger, one who is sent). Hell is reserved for Satan and his angels/demons/minions. (Matthew 25:41) Satan is the "god" of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) Unless you repent and allow yourself to be "Called Out" from this world and it's corruption.........Hell is reserved for YOU. "If ye were of this world; the world would love its own; but, because you are not of this world, but I have chosen you out of this world, therefore the world hates you." -- John 15:19

The literal meaning of "church" is those who are called out..........in the original Greek the term is "EKKLESIA". Hell is reserved for all of us as we are all sinners by free will, you lie if you say "I have no sin" .........but the Christ is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess our sins and repent (turn away toward a righteous direction with your life mind....with an admission of your sinful nature) -- 1 John 1:8-10.

Since Adam.......all of mankind has been under a certain sentence of death. "Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all have sinned (notice......the passage declares that all men "have sinned", (Romans 5:12) not........are born into sin) If all men are born into sin.........Was Jesus Christ born a sinner when the scriptures declare He was Born of Woman, Born under the law...was tempted like all men yet sinned not? (Gal. 4:4-5, Hebrews 4:15)

Salvation/life for the spirit of man, the called out.......is a gift, paid for by the sacrificial blood of the Messiah, Christ Jesus (Acts 20:28) So simple, so easy........yet the vast majority of men will choose to serve the god of this world and sentence themselves to hell.......basically because of the same sin that caused Satan to be cast from heaven........PRIDE.

Appreciate the post and your effort. But I’ve come to the conclusion that no God worthy of the position would create a place like Hell.

From the perspective a devout believer, I am not worthy of spending much time on.

 

[Clyde 154]

Appreciate the post and your effort. But I’ve come to the conclusion that no God worthy of the position would create a place like Hell.

From the perspective a devout believer, I am not worthy of spending much time on.

I find it contrary to the reality that you would have such a mindset, and in a contradiction of your own words.....you continue to post on a subject that you say you reject. God will be God regardless of what man does or does not do.

That's why "hell" exists......the majority of the world would rather worship the created instead of the creator and by doing so become the minions of the god of this world, Satan (1 Cor. 4:4), having been given over to a reprobate mind by the God of creation. God simply gives up on those who refuse to accept the reality that surrounds them with the evidence that God exists by the "things that are made/created." (Romans 1:20-32) Man is not capable of defining his own origins through the natural laws of physics. There is no Law of the Big Bang........there is no Law of Evolution......in fact a simple question presents a paradox for mankind. What is Love........not the symptoms of love, but love. "IF" the natural can't explain the physical effect known as "mankind".......that logically leaves only one conclusion: We owe our existence to a "Super (superior) Natual (to nature)" CAUSE.


Just as science can't explain a reality that is experienced by mankind everyday.....LOVE....(how do you quantify/measure to prove the existence of LOVE?) Science is not capable....Applied Science that defines the Laws of Physics through evidences in fact.......of creating....reproducing (which is a major prerequisite for the Scientific Method)......LIFE. Life can only be reproduced though pre-exising life of the same species. Science is not capable of explaining, in a factual manner, the CAUSE of the EFFECT known as the supposed BIG BANG.


The problem with the world is revealed by God......God needs nor requires nothing from man (Acts 17:28), man on the other hand, having been created in the "imagine" of God is not complete without God, man has an innate need to seek out God (whether its admitted or not)........but God is not far from everyone, mankind has his existence with the God of Creation. God has made from "one blood" all nations of men that dwell on earth, and has determined the limits and bounds of their habitation.....that they may seek out the Lord......... (Acts 17:25-27