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Zero credibility, moron.
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Zero credibility, moron.
2aguy
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Bull shit. Walls are very good bullet stops. Prove that there were people there that nearly got shot. What you and the guy you are defending are doing is paranoid "what-ifs". FACT is that no one was injured other than the perps, and lives were likely saved.
This thread and others are full of examples where a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun. Can you match them with examples of a good guy with a gun injuring innocents while trying to stop a bad guy?
Go ahead try.
The 9mm and up will pass through the walls of a chain store like a knife though butter. And there might have been hits inside the store. "Everyone hit the ground" is an indication that there WERE others in the store. Only heroes in the movies should be doing this. Next you will say he intentionally hit them in the groin and leg. Sometimes, it's better to just give them the money and let the security cameras help the cops bring them in.
Wrong doofus. Only if the walls of the store are made of drywall only. They don't call them "brick and mortar" stores for nothing.
"Might have" there you go again.
I'm sure there were others inside the store but they didn't get hit so it means that the good guy did know where the others were and took pains to avoid casualties. The FACT remains that no one else got hit.
Security cameras do not act as bullet proof vests. When you are dead, it's too late to draw your weapon.
You are wrong, he is a hero, no innocents were injured, another clear example of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun. You cannot change those facts.
The moron ^^^ doth protest too much.
Very good and very appropriate. I sure miss that show, too bad Nixon and his pals disrespected the spirit of the First Amendment.
And the clintons actually broke laws....and not only the spirit but the actual protections in the Bill of Rights.....
2aguy
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Most states would have charged the teller with two crimeswell it didnt go badly
could have gone much worse
had the clerks been at the mercy of the bad guys
Wow, it could have had collateral damage as well. Most states would have charged the teller with two crimes. Misdemeanors but crimes just as well. Or, if he hit any bystanders with his misses (sounds like he unloaded his gun out the barrel) he would be facing Manslaughter chargers.
that is a bunch of hogwash
LEt's look at the law.
“…consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or that a result will follow… and that disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in the situation…” 720 ILCS 5/4-6.
14A.60.020 Discharge of a Firearm.
(Amended by Ordinance No. 178428, effective May 26, 2004.)
A. It is unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm in the City or upon its boundaries.
This is where I live.
[
1. Unlawful to fire any firearm, including BB or pellet gun within the city limits, unless (AD):
-- on-duty law enforcement
-- as a part of an authorized class at a shooting range
-- permission is granted by the chief of police
2. Firearm will be confiscated upon any violation of this section.
/QUOTE]
So we have quotes directly out of the laws of 3 states that the sales associate would have been charged with two counts for firing that weapon. And that is if they don't hit anyone or anything.
You will notice that your article doesn't say that the two were armed and brandishing weapons. They were suspected and the associate fired on them. Chances are, the associate will be disassociated from the store and face a ton of civil suits. Not to worry, the two charges that would have been charged if he hadn't hit anyone would be misdemenors and only cost a few hundred bucks. But he hit both parties. This whole thing stinks from the first sentence on. You want to shoot someone, be willing to pay the price. It might be very high like in this case.
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
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Most states would have charged the teller with two crimesWow, it could have had collateral damage as well. Most states would have charged the teller with two crimes. Misdemeanors but crimes just as well. Or, if he hit any bystanders with his misses (sounds like he unloaded his gun out the barrel) he would be facing Manslaughter chargers.
that is a bunch of hogwash
LEt's look at the law.
“…consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or that a result will follow… and that disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in the situation…” 720 ILCS 5/4-6.
14A.60.020 Discharge of a Firearm.
(Amended by Ordinance No. 178428, effective May 26, 2004.)
A. It is unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm in the City or upon its boundaries.
This is where I live.
[
1. Unlawful to fire any firearm, including BB or pellet gun within the city limits, unless (AD):
-- on-duty law enforcement
-- as a part of an authorized class at a shooting range
-- permission is granted by the chief of police
2. Firearm will be confiscated upon any violation of this section.
/QUOTE]
So we have quotes directly out of the laws of 3 states that the sales associate would have been charged with two counts for firing that weapon. And that is if they don't hit anyone or anything.
You will notice that your article doesn't say that the two were armed and brandishing weapons. They were suspected and the associate fired on them. Chances are, the associate will be disassociated from the store and face a ton of civil suits. Not to worry, the two charges that would have been charged if he hadn't hit anyone would be misdemenors and only cost a few hundred bucks. But he hit both parties. This whole thing stinks from the first sentence on. You want to shoot someone, be willing to pay the price. It might be very high like in this case.
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
jon_berzerk
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Most states would have charged the teller with two crimeswell it didnt go badly
could have gone much worse
had the clerks been at the mercy of the bad guys
Wow, it could have had collateral damage as well. Most states would have charged the teller with two crimes. Misdemeanors but crimes just as well. Or, if he hit any bystanders with his misses (sounds like he unloaded his gun out the barrel) he would be facing Manslaughter chargers.
that is a bunch of hogwash
LEt's look at the law.
“…consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or that a result will follow… and that disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in the situation…” 720 ILCS 5/4-6.
14A.60.020 Discharge of a Firearm.
(Amended by Ordinance No. 178428, effective May 26, 2004.)
A. It is unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm in the City or upon its boundaries.
This is where I live.
[
1. Unlawful to fire any firearm, including BB or pellet gun within the city limits, unless (AD):
-- on-duty law enforcement
-- as a part of an authorized class at a shooting range
-- permission is granted by the chief of police
2. Firearm will be confiscated upon any violation of this section.
/QUOTE]
So we have quotes directly out of the laws of 3 states that the sales associate would have been charged with two counts for firing that weapon. And that is if they don't hit anyone or anything.
You will notice that your article doesn't say that the two were armed and brandishing weapons. They were suspected and the associate fired on them. Chances are, the associate will be disassociated from the store and face a ton of civil suits. Not to worry, the two charges that would have been charged if he hadn't hit anyone would be misdemenors and only cost a few hundred bucks. But he hit both parties. This whole thing stinks from the first sentence on. You want to shoot someone, be willing to pay the price. It might be very high like in this case.
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
we have open carry out here
and we do not see that happening out here
why lie
is that all you got
jon_berzerk
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Most states would have charged the teller with two crimes
that is a bunch of hogwash
LEt's look at the law.
“…consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that circumstances exist or that a result will follow… and that disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in the situation…” 720 ILCS 5/4-6.
14A.60.020 Discharge of a Firearm.
(Amended by Ordinance No. 178428, effective May 26, 2004.)
A. It is unlawful for any person to discharge a firearm in the City or upon its boundaries.
This is where I live.
[
1. Unlawful to fire any firearm, including BB or pellet gun within the city limits, unless (AD):
-- on-duty law enforcement
-- as a part of an authorized class at a shooting range
-- permission is granted by the chief of police
2. Firearm will be confiscated upon any violation of this section.
/QUOTE]
So we have quotes directly out of the laws of 3 states that the sales associate would have been charged with two counts for firing that weapon. And that is if they don't hit anyone or anything.
You will notice that your article doesn't say that the two were armed and brandishing weapons. They were suspected and the associate fired on them. Chances are, the associate will be disassociated from the store and face a ton of civil suits. Not to worry, the two charges that would have been charged if he hadn't hit anyone would be misdemenors and only cost a few hundred bucks. But he hit both parties. This whole thing stinks from the first sentence on. You want to shoot someone, be willing to pay the price. It might be very high like in this case.
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
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This thread is full of examples of good guys with guns stopping bad guys with or without guns, and it isn't even listing every single event. This stuff happens every day. But the gun grabbers here can't seem to find one time where a good guy with a gun ever injured an innocent bystander. Likely, it's because they ae full of shit.
jon_berzerk
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This thread is full of examples of good guys with guns stopping bad guys with or without guns, and it isn't even listing every single event. This stuff happens every day. But the gun grabbers here can't seem to find one time where a good guy with a gun ever injured an innocent bystander. Likely, it's because they ae full of shit.
most of them are kooks that is why
an example
they depend on "it could happen" that some by stander might get hit
yet
find it impossible that a situation "could happen" as to why one carries a concealed firearm
they also live in some fairy tale land
where the bad guy will always do the right thing
--LOL
Daryl Hunt
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LEt's look at the law.
This is where I live.
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
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- #190
ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
I'm still waiting for you to show where innocent people got hurt from someone using their CCW weapon to stop crime. You still haven't and you still are completely full of shit.
Daryl Hunt
Your Worst Nightmare
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LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
I'm still waiting for you to show where innocent people got hurt from someone using their CCW weapon to stop crime. You still haven't and you still are completely full of shit.
LEt's use your own cite. The wall was covered with bullet holes and he only hit the bad guys with 3. That means he probably had an 18 shot and emptied it. That is 15 shots that missed. Take from an old Combat Troop, there is nothing friendly about friendly fire. I know that Law Enforcement also makes the same charge. It's for a reason. Even one innocent life taken is a tragedy. And there isn't enough money in the till to pay that price.
I support CCW yet you keep calling me a gun grabber. Newsflash: The only reason I may go armed is to protect me from the hero complex fruitcakes like you.
jon_berzerk
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ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
we are open carry here
i dont see what you say at all
2aguy
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ZZZZZZZZzzz......
Wake me when they charge the guy with anything. You need to be providing those examples of innocent bystanders getting shot by good guys with guns because until you do you have exactly zero credibility on anything.
LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
wrong.....carrying a gun is a right....and you can't use fees, taxes or tests of any kind to prohibit the exercise of a right....that is what the democrats found out when they tried to use Poll Taxes and literacy tests to keep blacks from voting.
If you charge any fee for CCW classes then it becomes unconstitutional.......since the poor will be unable to pay that fee and will be denied the exercise of that right...see the "Equal Protection" clause of the 14th Amendment....the one that knocked out the democrats and their Poll Taxes and literacy tests....
jon_berzerk
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LEt's see. Ever wonder why the State of Texas had a no open carry from 1871 to recently? They got tired of cleaning up the bodies laying around the streets.
No matter how hard you cry, the laws are tightening up. Now go back to sleep.
You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
wrong.....carrying a gun is a right....and you can't use fees, taxes or tests of any kind to prohibit the exercise of a right....that is what the democrats found out when they tried to use Poll Taxes and literacy tests to keep blacks from voting.
If you charge any fee for CCW classes then it becomes unconstitutional.......since the poor will be unable to pay that fee and will be denied the exercise of that right...see the "Equal Protection" clause of the 14th Amendment....the one that knocked out the democrats and their Poll Taxes and literacy tests....
well such a move would certainly target the poor and minorities
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You realize that you made that up out of your behind.......do you realize that Texas is not the first state to have open carry....not even the 2nd or 3rd.....there are over 30 states that already have it........and the gun murder rate has gone down, not up....
kind of shoots your point to crap....doesn't it...
He has zero credibility. He thinks he can just say shit and we are supposed take it as fact.
from my perspective the Texas open carry law is more restrictive then need be
out here we do not need permission from the state to open carry
In myOpinion, Texas has it right. In order to open carry, you must qualify for CCW. We don't have that here and there are some pretty scary nutcases running around with guns on their hips with Hero Complexes.
I'm still waiting for you to show where innocent people got hurt from someone using their CCW weapon to stop crime. You still haven't and you still are completely full of shit.
LEt's use your own cite. The wall was covered with bullet holes and he only hit the bad guys with 3. That means he probably had an 18 shot and emptied it. That is 15 shots that missed. Take from an old Combat Troop, there is nothing friendly about friendly fire. I know that Law Enforcement also makes the same charge. It's for a reason. Even one innocent life taken is a tragedy. And there isn't enough money in the till to pay that price.
I support CCW yet you keep calling me a gun grabber. Newsflash: The only reason I may go armed is to protect me from the hero complex fruitcakes like you.
Yet no one got hurt but the bad guy. And you still can't come up with even one incident where an innocent was hurt. You are talking out of your ignorant ass. Nothing you say has any validity.
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Google valet with gun stops attack on gm worker. A woman came up to the woman's work and they went outside to discuss and the woman started stabbing the woman. The valet pulls out his gun and stops the woman. The victim is in critical condition.Add some more numbers to the countless lives and property saved bygood guys with guns.
Is he a hero? Gm fired him. Not supposed to have a gun at work. Ain't that a bitch?
They would have killed
The father and daughter may have been raped or murderedTwo Men Use Girl As Human Shield ? Until Her Father Guns Them Down
i wonder what the outcome would have been for an unarmed household?
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Google valet with gun stops attack on gm worker. A woman came up to the woman's work and they went outside to discuss and the woman started stabbing the woman. The valet pulls out his gun and stops the woman. The victim is in critical condition.Add some more numbers to the countless lives and property saved bygood guys with guns.
Is he a hero? Gm fired him. Not supposed to have a gun at work. Ain't that a bitch?
More importantly, a life was saved.
He may not have been fired. Or gm changed their mind. He had a ccw permitGoogle valet with gun stops attack on gm worker. A woman came up to the woman's work and they went outside to discuss and the woman started stabbing the woman. The valet pulls out his gun and stops the woman. The victim is in critical condition.Add some more numbers to the countless lives and property saved bygood guys with guns.
Is he a hero? Gm fired him. Not supposed to have a gun at work. Ain't that a bitch?
More importantly, a life was saved.
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