New gun research...estimated 1.67 million defensive gun uses in 2021

[2aguy]

Armed Americans keep this country safe. Armed Americans are safer from criminals in blue run cities than unarmed Americans...

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This online survey was administered to a representative sample of approximately fifty-four thousand U.S. residents aged 18 and over, and it identified 16,708 gun owners who were, in turn, asked in-depth questions about their ownership and their use of firearms, including defensive uses of firearms. Consistent with other recent survey research, the survey finds an overall rate of adult firearm ownership of 31.9%, suggesting that in excess of 81.4 million Americans aged 18 and over own firearms.


The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year.

Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
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2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

 

[Bad Bob]

Armed Americans keep this country safe. Armed Americans are safer from criminals in blue run cities than unarmed Americans...

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This online survey was administered to a representative sample of approximately fifty-four thousand U.S. residents aged 18 and over, and it identified 16,708 gun owners who were, in turn, asked in-depth questions about their ownership and their use of firearms, including defensive uses of firearms. Consistent with other recent survey research, the survey finds an overall rate of adult firearm ownership of 31.9%, suggesting that in excess of 81.4 million Americans aged 18 and over own firearms.


The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year.

Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
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2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Good. An armed America helps prevent tyranny. Shoot the fascists and monarchists, amirite? LOL

 

[M14 Shooter]

Let's assume this is is an order of magnitude off, and the actual number is 167,000/yr

That's >8x the number of gun-related murders and >6x the number of gun-related suicides.

 

[Hafar1014]

Legal guns stop crimes and keep the left in its place

 

[Bad Bob]

Legal guns stop crimes and keep the left in its place

It keeps fascists, neo-nazis and tyrants in place too. Woot!

Sic Semper Tyrannis!

 

[M14 Shooter]

.... and keep the left in its place

This is why the left wants to ban as many of them as it can.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The criminals know that breaking into a home is very dangerous.
If people were defenceless; the criminals would be emboldened.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Let's assume this is is an order of magnitude off, and the actual number is 167,000/yr

That's >8x the number of gun-related murders and >6x the number of gun-related suicides.

There were FBI or ATF studies some time ago with high numbers as well. BUT as you say, even haircutting it massively thats still an incredible number.

 

[Bad Bob]

There were FBI or ATF studies some time ago with high numbers as well. BUT as you say, even haircutting it massively thats still an incredible number.

Which is why it's important to look at rates versus total numbers.

It's one thing to look at US suicides, almost 50K/year, and Australian suicides, about 3000/year or Canada, over 4000/year, but another to consider that the US has over 349M people versus Australia's 27M or Canada's 41.5M people.

 

[Winston]

Let's assume this is is an order of magnitude off, and the actual number is 167,000/yr

That's >8x the number of gun-related murders and >6x the number of gun-related suicides.

Whoo Hoo, this thread wins the rooting tootin Cowboy award for the day.

2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Damn, what a link. But that is the study. Comical. The big one,

Defensive Gun Use: 31.1% of firearms owners have defended themselves of their property with a gun, and a majority have done so more than once.

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten. If you want to get into the details of the study, we can. But come on. One in three gun owners has had to use their gun for defense, and most of them more than once? Total horseshit. Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

 

[markef]

Whoo Hoo, this thread wins the rooting tootin Cowboy award for the day.

2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Damn, what a link. But that is the study. Comical. The big one,

Defensive Gun Use: 31.1% of firearms owners have defended themselves of their property with a gun, and a majority have done so more than once.

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten. If you want to get into the details of the study, we can. But come on. One in three gun owners has had to use their gun for defense, and most of them more than once? Total horseshit. Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

I used my pistol to prevent an angry man from committing a violent act in a drunken rage. The presence of the gun kept a violent man from committing violence.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten.

Proof?

Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

Proof?

 

[Bad Bob]

Whoo Hoo, this thread wins the rooting tootin Cowboy award for the day.

2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Damn, what a link. But that is the study. Comical. The big one,

Defensive Gun Use: 31.1% of firearms owners have defended themselves of their property with a gun, and a majority have done so more than once.

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten. If you want to get into the details of the study, we can. But come on. One in three gun owners has had to use their gun for defense, and most of them more than once? Total horseshit. Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

Agreed on BS. I've been a gun owner for over 55 years and have never had to pull one in self-defense.

That's not to say others haven't, but I'm middle-class.

 

[Bad Bob]

I used my pistol to prevent an angry man from committing a violent act in a drunken rage. The presence of the gun kept a violent man from committing violence.

Why didn't you just shoot him?

 

[markef]

Why didn't you just shoot him?

I believe wise gun owners use guns to defuse dangerous and violent threats without having to shoot anyone. However, if I had been an armed teacher at Columbine, for one example, I would not have hesitated to keep planting bullets in the shooter until he stopped moving.

 

[Winston]

Proof?

Proof?

This is calculated by taking the total number of defensive incidents represented by the survey responses(50 million) and dividing by the number of adult years of the average respondent, which is 30. Accordingto U.S. Census data, the average age of U.S. adults (i.e. the average age of those in the set of everyone 18years or older) is 48, which also matches our survey data. Thus, the average respondent of the survey has 30years of adult experience (48 years - 18 years = 30 adult years), over which the defensive incidents capturedin this survey are reported.

That is footnote nine of the survey. Something like fifty million claimed uses over 30 years. I mean this survey is like a poster for the multiple types of sampling and response survey bias. The Kleck study is the most often quoted, and most often absolutely ridiculed in the academic community. This study appears an attempt to duplicate the Kleck results, and has the same response bias.

Yes, rootin, tootin, Cowboys. It really is, like, that one day, at band camp, except it is the redneck version. Maybe it is just me, but I just don't get it. I grew up with guns, surrounded by guns. They were tools. And maybe more importantly, I grew up with dogs, working dogs. Dad and his rabbit dogs, Grandpa and his bird dogs.

I can think of no time in my life that I needed a gun. Not to protect myself, a loved one, and damn sure not property. Now, to put down a coyote, or a gopher for that matter, that is a different question. But a family friend was a pharmacist, he was robbed, at gunpoint, and he pulled his pistol from underneath the counter and shot the robber fleeing. Cops found the robber dead in the bushes, changed that pharmacist's life forever.

I had two classmates. One, became a cop and then a detective. Little short guy. The other, motorcycle gang member, drug dealer, huge dude. Undercover deal goes bad, one classmate shoots, and kills, the other. The big dude was gone. Believe it or not, it was heart breaking. And yes, it changed that detective's life forever.

In the end, we would not have this damn gun problem if we just had respect, for the gun itself. Sadly, that was the original mission of the NRA. Instill that respect and the rest takes care of itself. Maybe it is time I write. The reality is, there are a handful of rifles, and I am not talking models or makes, I am talking very specific rifles. Those rifles made this nation.

And yes, I am talking Audie Murphey's Tommy Gun, and Sergeant York's rifle, rubbing spit on the sight. But what about Peter Salem, and Primas Hall? Black, snipers, before there were snipers, during the American Revolution. No, you can wax about the second amendment till the cow's come home. Pistols are shit, even Lynard Skynard knew that. But this nation, and the rifle, they are one.

 

[Bad Bob]

I believe wise gun owners use guns to defuse dangerous and violent threats without having to shoot anyone. However, if I had been an armed teacher at Columbine, for one example, I would not have hesitated to keep planting bullets in the shooter until he stopped moving.

Thanks. I'm a believer in never pulling a gun unless planning to use it and, if used, shoot to kill. None of this "shoot him in the leg" shit.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is calculated by taking...

So... you cannot prove the two claims you made.
As per the norm.
Thanks!

 

[80zephyr]

Whoo Hoo, this thread wins the rooting tootin Cowboy award for the day.

2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Damn, what a link. But that is the study. Comical. The big one,

Defensive Gun Use: 31.1% of firearms owners have defended themselves of their property with a gun, and a majority have done so more than once.

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten. If you want to get into the details of the study, we can. But come on. One in three gun owners has had to use their gun for defense, and most of them more than once? Total horseshit. Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

I have done it twice. Never had to fire a shot.

 

[2aguy]

Whoo Hoo, this thread wins the rooting tootin Cowboy award for the day.

2021 National Firearms Survey

This report summarizes the findings of a national survey of firearms ownership and use conducted between February 17th and March 23rd, 2021 by the professional

papers.ssrn.com

Damn, what a link. But that is the study. Comical. The big one,

Defensive Gun Use: 31.1% of firearms owners have defended themselves of their property with a gun, and a majority have done so more than once.

I call absolute bullshit. I mean not even off by an order of ten. If you want to get into the details of the study, we can. But come on. One in three gun owners has had to use their gun for defense, and most of them more than once? Total horseshit. Like I said, ninety damn percent of those so-called defensive guns uses were blind shots in the night at the broken tree branch brushing against the window, or the possum digging through the trash.

No, the majority are a criminal approaching the victim, the victim presenting the weapon, and the criminal running away. The really stupid criminals kept pushing, and then get shot, wounded or killed.