New gun research...estimated 1.67 million defensive gun uses in 2021

This is calculated by taking the total number of defensive incidents represented by the survey responses(50 million) and dividing by the number of adult years of the average respondent, which is 30. Accordingto U.S. Census data, the average age of U.S. adults (i.e. the average age of those in the set of everyone 18years or older) is 48, which also matches our survey data. Thus, the average respondent of the survey has 30years of adult experience (48 years - 18 years = 30 adult years), over which the defensive incidents capturedin this survey are reported.

That is footnote nine of the survey. Something like fifty million claimed uses over 30 years. I mean this survey is like a poster for the multiple types of sampling and response survey bias. The Kleck study is the most often quoted, and most often absolutely ridiculed in the academic community. This study appears an attempt to duplicate the Kleck results, and has the same response bias.

Yes, rootin, tootin, Cowboys. It really is, like, that one day, at band camp, except it is the redneck version. Maybe it is just me, but I just don't get it. I grew up with guns, surrounded by guns. They were tools. And maybe more importantly, I grew up with dogs, working dogs. Dad and his rabbit dogs, Grandpa and his bird dogs.

I can think of no time in my life that I needed a gun. Not to protect myself, a loved one, and damn sure not property. Now, to put down a coyote, or a gopher for that matter, that is a different question. But a family friend was a pharmacist, he was robbed, at gunpoint, and he pulled his pistol from underneath the counter and shot the robber fleeing. Cops found the robber dead in the bushes, changed that pharmacist's life forever.

I had two classmates. One, became a cop and then a detective. Little short guy. The other, motorcycle gang member, drug dealer, huge dude. Undercover deal goes bad, one classmate shoots, and kills, the other. The big dude was gone. Believe it or not, it was heart breaking. And yes, it changed that detective's life forever.

In the end, we would not have this damn gun problem if we just had respect, for the gun itself. Sadly, that was the original mission of the NRA. Instill that respect and the rest takes care of itself. Maybe it is time I write. The reality is, there are a handful of rifles, and I am not talking models or makes, I am talking very specific rifles. Those rifles made this nation.

And yes, I am talking Audie Murphey's Tommy Gun, and Sergeant York's rifle, rubbing spit on the sight. But what about Peter Salem, and Primas Hall? Black, snipers, before there were snipers, during the American Revolution. No, you can wax about the second amendment till the cow's come home. Pistols are shit, even Lynard Skynard knew that. But this nation, and the rifle, they are one.

The "academics," go after Kleck because he makes them look like morons. I have seen the anti-gun studies, and they are the dumbest out there. I really enjoy the more recent ones where they say guns are the leading killer of children, then don't bother to highlight that their definition of child extends to 17,18,19 year old, hardened gang member.
 
So... you cannot prove the two claims you made.
As per the norm.
Thanks!
No, the survey does not "prove" what you think it proves. Are guns used defensively? Of course, but this study has huge methodological failings and there is just no way in hell there are over 1.5 million defensive uses of guns every year. Hell, that is four thousand PER DAY in the US. California has the largest number of respondents, you mean to tell me that ONE HUNDRED TIMES, every single day, in the state of California, someone uses a gun in defense.
You are walking down the street. Two gangsta looking thugs are walking on the other side of the road. That night, you get a phone call from a survey, "Have you ever used a gun in self defense?". "Hell yeah, why just this morning two gang members were going to attack me, good thing I had my gun.". And yes, windy night, tree branch cracks and starts brushing up against the window. Homeowner steps on his porch and fires blindly in the night, swears he hit something.


93,000 gunshot wounds treated in Emergency Rooms over FIVE YEARS. That is DATA, hard data, not some survey response. Even if only ten percent of those 1.5 million were gun shots, that is still 150,000 shootings a year, only 18,000 are treated in hospitals? And hell, that includes victims of violence.

So, in order for me to believe the survey I would have to believe all these gun owners can't shoot for shit. And the bad guys, evidently they are the ones putting people in the emergency rooms. I am sorry, but I just can't get there.
 
No, the survey does not "prove" what you think it proves. Are guns used defensively? Of course, but this study has huge methodological failings and there is just no way in hell there are over 1.5 million defensive uses of guns every year. Hell, that is four thousand PER DAY in the US. California has the largest number of respondents, you mean to tell me that ONE HUNDRED TIMES, every single day, in the state of California, someone uses a gun in defense.
You are walking down the street. Two gangsta looking thugs are walking on the other side of the road. That night, you get a phone call from a survey, "Have you ever used a gun in self defense?". "Hell yeah, why just this morning two gang members were going to attack me, good thing I had my gun.". And yes, windy night, tree branch cracks and starts brushing up against the window. Homeowner steps on his porch and fires blindly in the night, swears he hit something.


93,000 gunshot wounds treated in Emergency Rooms over FIVE YEARS. That is DATA, hard data, not some survey response. Even if only ten percent of those 1.5 million were gun shots, that is still 150,000 shootings a year, only 18,000 are treated in hospitals? And hell, that includes victims of violence.

So, in order for me to believe the survey I would have to believe all these gun owners can't shoot for shit. And the bad guys, evidently they are the ones putting people in the emergency rooms. I am sorry, but I just can't get there.
Brandishing a gun works most of the time. Thats why there is a discrepancy.
 
YOU made two claims.
You cannot prove those two claims.
As per the norm.
You've always run from me. Why? Why are you so afraid?

I strongly support the Constitution. The Second Amendment protects all the others.

Do you agree convicted pedophiles should be shot in head or do you protect them?
 
Brandishing a gun works most of the time. Thats why there is a discrepancy.
Brandishing a gun is against the law in some areas.

FWIW, if someone pulls a gun, they should use it or not pull it at all.

Do you agree that pedophiles and their supporters should be shot? How can we do that if no one is allowed to have guns? 🤔
 
Brandishing a gun is against the law in some areas.

FWIW, if someone pulls a gun, they should use it or not pull it at all.

Do you agree that pedophiles and their supporters should be shot? How can we do that if no one is allowed to have guns? 🤔

No, if simply drawing and presenting the weapon sends the democrat party criminal running, there is no need to shoot them.
 
Brandishing a gun is against the law in some areas.
Brandishing is USUALLY against the law. There are defenses.

FWIW, if someone pulls a gun, they should use it or not pull it at all.
Alternatively, if you draw it you should be legally ready and justified in using it if needed.


Also there is a significant downside in that a lot bad actors don't react very much to a firearm and often will still escalate. If they are unarmed it might escalate the situation and not de-escalate. As Active Self Protection likes to say, its best to have an intermediate force item (a good chemical spray for example) as an in between solution.
 
There are far more democrat party criminals.
How many of these people were "democratic party criminals"?

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How many of these people were "democratic party criminals"?

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Easy, the ones who had masks over their faces. You dumb ass. Did you like the video of the Capitol police taking the masked guy in cuffs down the hallway, and then uncuffing the guy and high fiving him?

For an entire year the democrat party brown shirts, blm and antifa, rioted, burned and looted our major cities. And you expect us to believe that the democrat party brown shirts didn't show up on Jan. 6? You really are stupid.

I saw the video of the capitol police firing rubber bullets and gas cannisters into the peaceful crowd.......I saw the video. The democrats sent in their goons, they sent in their FBI thugs, and ordered the capitol police to fire into the crowd......
 
Brandishing a gun is against the law in some areas.

FWIW, if someone pulls a gun, they should use it or not pull it at all.

Do you agree that pedophiles and their supporters should be shot? How can we do that if no one is allowed to have guns? 🤔
I disagree.
 
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My opinion is to ramp down a situation, by any means possible. If brandishing a gun will work, I'm good with it.
Gotcha. As noted be careful though, there ard lots of youtube videos where it has the opposite effect.

Remember, avoid stupid people and stupid places and you avoid 95% of stupid issues. 🤣🤔
 
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