Masks Don't Work

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.
Fucking dope
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.
 
...

I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.

It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.

Totally wrong.
Antibodies have NOTHING at all to do with it.
All antibodies only last less than a month.
But you get your immunity form the B-cells and T-cells that produce the antibodies, you do NOT get an immune response memory from the antibodies themselves.

And you totally misunderstand how herd immunity works.
The 70% needing to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, is long gone.
That only is in an optimal situation where you let the epidemic spike and it starts to run out of hosts.
Now that we have flattened the curve for a year, allowing the virus to spread everywhere, it will take a lot more than 70%.
However, we still have over 50% immune to start with, and 23 million recovered, we likely can still achieve herd immunity, even though it is much harder now that it has had time to spread so widely (geographically).

The number of people facing long term health issues is tiny because almost only those over 65 are having ANY health issues from a covid-19 infection at all.
And even those could easily have been prevented if we were properly using immuno suppressants to prevent the cytokine storm that is causing ALL the health issues and deaths.
 
...

I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.

It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.

Totally wrong.
Antibodies have NOTHING at all to do with it.
All antibodies only last less than a month.
But you get your immunity form the B-cells and T-cells that produce the antibodies, you do NOT get an immune response memory from the antibodies themselves.

And you totally misunderstand how herd immunity works.
The 70% needing to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, is long gone.
That only is in an optimal situation where you let the epidemic spike and it starts to run out of hosts.
Now that we have flattened the curve for a year, allowing the virus to spread everywhere, it will take a lot more than 70%.
However, we still have over 50% immune to start with, and 23 million recovered, we likely can still achieve herd immunity, even though it is much harder now that it has had time to spread so widely (geographically).

The number of people facing long term health issues is tiny because almost only those over 65 are having ANY health issues from a covid-19 infection at all.
And even those could easily have been prevented if we were properly using immuno suppressants to prevent the cytokine storm that is causing ALL the health issues and deaths.

That's all fine and good, I'm not the one who brought up antibodies so take it up with him.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:

  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.
 
All antibodies only last less than a month.
Jesus. This guy has to stop.

Please people. Do NOTHING this clown says. He is batshit

You really should learn something before making a fool of yourself.
Antibodies only last about a month.
But they are NOT the source of immunity memory.
That comes from the long lives B-cells and T-cells that produce the short lived antibodies.

{...
We show that three life spans are essential to explain the observed antibody kinetics: that of the antibodies (around one month), the short-lived plasma cells (several months) and the long-lived plasma cells (decades).
...}
 
Will leftists accept REAL SCIENCE?

I already know the answer.

This is what REAL science looks like

View attachment 436438
Masks work if you replace it after every use and or wash it and wash your hands each and every time before you touch your face. Since no one does that they are more of a hindrance than help. Hence our cases are spiking.

.

I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Oh and screw you.



By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.

The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
I can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.
Difference I am using
  • WHO
  • CDC
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.

No need for insults...
Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....

Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...

Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.

I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...

Now you are making my point... Thanks
You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.

I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.

Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.

I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.

Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.

And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.

WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.

Nobody serious believes this.

What is wrong is to slow down the infection rate, giving the virus more time to spread wider and evolve new and more deadly strains.

Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.


The quicker you end an epidemic the better.

If you don't mind more people dying then yes.

Since young people are essentially not at risk, they should be volunteering.

Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.

Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?

.
Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.

I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.

It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.

I'm not interested in guessing games.
Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.

Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.

I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.

99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.

Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States

Nope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.


The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.


"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."

Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.

Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.


Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.

EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.


They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
LOL

divide the deaths by population and there is your percentage. Either way it’s minuscule. You’re just a coward.

Divide deaths by population? That's not how you calculate mortality/survivor rates of a disease.
Why? We don’t have a true and accurate number of those who had it and beat it?

We don't have a true number of those who died by it either. Just the same I don't know of anyone who determines the mortality rate of a disease by looking at total population. Real dumb shit, dude.
Sure we do. We have monitored the deaths quite well. You just don’t like it because it gives you a low % and shows that you’re a coward. It’s OK.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.
Fucking dope
Yes you are one. Herr Shit.
 
All antibodies only last less than a month.
Jesus. This guy has to stop.

Please people. Do NOTHING this clown says. He is batshit

You really should learn something before making a fool of yourself.
Antibodies only last about a month.
But they are NOT the source of immunity memory.
That comes from the long lives B-cells and T-cells that produce the short lived antibodies.

{...
We show that three life spans are essential to explain the observed antibody kinetics: that of the antibodies (around one month), the short-lived plasma cells (several months) and the long-lived plasma cells (decades).
...}
Herr Lesh was born to make a fool of himself.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:


  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:


  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

You can test saliva for COVID

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:


  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

You can test saliva for COVID

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.
You calling someone not that bright is comical. Initially we were told not to wear masks as we would touch our face more. You are a sheep. Maybe you should just use your gut instinct. Then again you don't have any guts.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:


  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

You can test saliva for COVID

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.
You calling someone not that bright is comical. Initially we were told not to wear masks as we would touch our face more. You are a sheep. Maybe you should just use your gut instinct. Then again you don't have any guts.

Yeah, we also found out a lot more about the virus since then. For example if you weren't feeling well you were advised to stay home because the thought was that is when you are contagious. Only later on did we find out that you are contagious even if not showing symptoms. So, therefore mask policy.

You guys are dim.
 
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...
You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.
Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.
They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.



Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:


  • Rhinovirus (colds)
  • Flu virus
  • Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
  • Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
  • Strep bacteria
  • Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
  • Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)
You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

You can test saliva for COVID

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.
You calling someone not that bright is comical. Initially we were told not to wear masks as we would touch our face more. You are a sheep. Maybe you should just use your gut instinct. Then again you don't have any guts.
I love you idiots. I really do. You guys grasp at one straw and decide that even a slim chance is more than enough reason. Then you denounce even better odds with masks. Let me explain for the slower members of the doubting turds.

Bullet Proof Vests. They do nothing to stop you from being killed if you are shot in the head. But every single cop wears one. It was a scandal and a half when our Troops did not have enough going into battle. When many of them were left with old fashioned “Flack Jackets” instead of far more modern trauma plate Body Armor. People wearing armor still die, so we should not bother issuing any right? I mean it isn’t 110% effective.

When I go into town. I carry a weapon. It is no guarantee that I will survive if something goes down. It is something that increases the odds, gives me options. But since the odds are not 100% we should just go ahead and surrender out weapons. I mean they may only increase my odds of survival by fifteen percent.

.

Masks reduce your odds, not provide 100% protection. They may cut your odds of getting Corona by a half, or a third, or perhaps even a quarter. It might only be a ten percent increase in your odds of getting it. And it may reduce the severity. How sick you get depends on the virus load. Let me explain that.

If you are exposed to a single solitary cell of Corona, you probably won’t even notice it. Chances are it is going to die before it causes you problems. If it does go into your body, chances are that your immune system will fight it off before it can replicate enough to kill you. It isn’t like a Nerve Agent, where a single drop will wipe out a room full of people. It needs a lot of things to go right. And Masks are trying to limit the exposure. You might be one of those who test positive, but are Non Symptomatic. A little bit got in your system, and you have it, and are dangerous to others, but you aren’t really sick. Like Typhoid Mary, you infect others, but aren’t sick yourself. You may not even know you had it.

But the Masks only give you better odds. Like Airbags in your car. They don’t guarantee you will survive an accident. They increase the odds. When it’s your child behind the wheel, you want all the advantage you can get don’t you? No car is a guaranteed survive any accident machine. Some are safer, increase your odds more, than others.

You on the Right use statistics constantly. You think that statistics give you the right to stop and harass Blacks because they are more likely to be criminal. But use the same statistics to show how wearing a mask is a good idea, well anyone who believes that is an idiot.

So idiots, keep the masks off. That is how we identified so many of you during the Capital Raid. ANTIFA wear’s masks for hours before hand. And leaves the area still wearing masks in an effort to reduce the chances they will be identified. The White Wing morons don’t wear a mask, because they aren’t sheep. Then they are identified and later arrested, by pictures they are posting. I’m pretty sure that we know who is smarter at least. The LW at least knows to try and cover their faces during criminal activity. The RW just pretends that they have every right to be kicking in doors and breaking windows and there is no crime against it.

Initially you were told not to wear masks because there weren’t any. Any that were available were needed for medical staff.
 
Last edited:

Forum List

Back
Top