Masks Don't Work

[HappyJoy]

Dog saliva has. Don't know about human saliva.

The average domesticated dog saliva doesn't carry as many diseases that affect humans.

Dog saliva is antibacterial.

Dog Saliva: 9 Facts You Should Know | PetMD

Dog saliva is a way of life for pet parents who get covered in drool and slobbery kisses. But did you know these five facts about dog saliva? Read on to find out more.

www.petmd.com

Jesus Christ you you guys are thick. Nobody said it wasn't only that saliva can transmit disease and bacteria. Same with dogs.

From your own link

Dog “kisses” may transfer bacteria to humans. Just because dog saliva has antibacterial properties does not mean that dog “kisses” are clean and humans should let their guard down. Dr. Edward R. Eisner, the first veterinarian to become a board-certified specialist in Veterinary Dentistry in Colorado, notes that it’s possible for bacteria to be transferred from pets to humans. One study published in Oral Biology in 2012 found that there can be a transmission of periodontopathic species of bacteria between dogs and their owners.

You are totally confused.
The danger of dog kisses is that they have little bits of decaying meat in their mouth.
It is not the saliva that is dangerous.
And covid-19 is far more delicate than bacteria.
It can not survive long or reproduce in saliva.
The risk comes from mucus and phlegm from the sinuses or lung airways.

Yes dick and the "little bits of decaying meat" is transferred via saliva.

And back to COVID, since you can test (from my previous post) for COVID in saliva it is in saliva.

Another link about viruses and diseases passed via saliva.

What Can You Catch From a Kiss?

Mononucleosis, or mono, is known as the “kissing disease.” Learn about other infectious diseases that can be spread through saliva.

www.verywellhealth.com

You don't know what you're talking about. But you're the guy who thinks getting everyone COVID will create fewer rather than more mutations. That was debunked but I believe you ignored it. You're obviously not an expert here, please stop.

 

[HappyJoy]

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...

If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...

You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.

Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.

They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.

Does Saliva Have Health Risks? 3 Ways Germs Can Spread

Find out which viruses and bacteria can become someone else's problem

health.clevelandclinic.org

Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:

• Rhinovirus (colds)
• Flu virus
• Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
• Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
• Strep bacteria
• Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
• Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)

You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

Q&A: How is COVID-19 transmitted?

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include...

www.who.int

You can test saliva for COVID

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.

Wrong again.
The first link talks ONLY about the virus being transmitted by mouth and nose secretions.
That is mucus and phlegm.
Saliva is a digestive enzyme and has nothing to do with the covid-19 virus.

First link specifically says this:
Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include saliva, respiratory secretions or secretion droplets.

The second link talks about a proposed idea that saliva could be used instead of a nasal swab, but that has NOT yet been agreed upon by anyone. And it clearly says that saliva could only be used if kept on ice and tested before 24 hours, because the saliva will otherwise destroy the virus.

No, the second specifically states:
A self-collected saliva sample is as good at detecting COVID-19 as a nasal swab administered by a health care worker -- without exposing medical staff to the virus while collecting the sample.

Why am I wasting my time with you?

Dummy, saliva normally contains some mucus and phlegm, which then can contain covid-19.
If you think covid-19 is not eventually killed by saliva, or that covid-19 can reproduce in saliva, then you are an idiot.
Obviously it is only the mucus and phlegm that contains the covid-19 virus or spores.

And no hospital agrees with the idea of being able to test for covid-19 from a saliva sample.
That likely is a toally bogus article. No one I checked with does saliva testing, and they all said it was totally unreliable.

If someone with COVID kisses you can you get COVID via saliva? Yes, you can.

Another source Mayo Clinic:

Can you get COVID-19 from sexual activity?

Find out whether COVID-19 can be transmitted during sexual activity and how to reduce your risk of getting the virus from a sexual partner.

www.mayoclinic.org

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The virus spreads by respiratory droplets released when someone with the virus coughs, sneezes or talks. These droplets can be inhaled or land in the mouth or nose of a person nearby. Coming into contact with a person's spit through kissing or other sexual activities could expose you to the virus. People who have COVID-19 could also spread respiratory droplets onto their skin and personal belongings. A sexual partner could get the virus by touching these surfaces and then touching his or her mouth, nose or eyes. In addition, the COVID-19 virus can spread through contact with feces. It's possible that you could get the COVID-19 virus from sexual activities that expose you to fecal matter.

 

[ChemEngineer]

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really should be ignored.

"Go from the presence of a foolish man." - The Holy Bible

Do you argue with pigeons? Why then do you respond to their equivalent?

 

[MadDog]

Will leftists accept REAL SCIENCE?

I already know the answer.

This is what REAL science looks like

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Here’s some science for you. Care to offer some science in rebuttal.

 

[SavannahMann]

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...

If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...

You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.

Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.

They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.

Does Saliva Have Health Risks? 3 Ways Germs Can Spread

Find out which viruses and bacteria can become someone else's problem

health.clevelandclinic.org

Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:

• Rhinovirus (colds)
• Flu virus
• Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
• Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
• Strep bacteria
• Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
• Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)

You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

Q&A: How is COVID-19 transmitted?

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include...

www.who.int

You can test saliva for COVID

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.

You calling someone not that bright is comical. Initially we were told not to wear masks as we would touch our face more. You are a sheep. Maybe you should just use your gut instinct. Then again you don't have any guts.

I love you idiots. I really do. You guys grasp at one straw and decide that even a slim chance is more than enough reason. Then you denounce even better odds with masks. Let me explain for the slower members of the doubting turds.

Bullet Proof Vests. They do nothing to stop you from being killed if you are shot in the head. But every single cop wears one. It was a scandal and a half when our Troops did not have enough going into battle. When many of them were left with old fashioned “Flack Jackets” instead of far more modern trauma plate Body Armor. People wearing armor still die, so we should not bother issuing any right? I mean it isn’t 110% effective.

When I go into town. I carry a weapon. It is no guarantee that I will survive if something goes down. It is something that increases the odds, gives me options. But since the odds are not 100% we should just go ahead and surrender out weapons. I mean they may only increase my odds of survival by fifteen percent.

Wearing a Mask: Myths and Facts

There are a lot of myths about wearing a mask. Learn the facts about masks and how they keep you safe.

www.umms.org

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Masks reduce your odds, not provide 100% protection. They may cut your odds of getting Corona by a half, or a third, or perhaps even a quarter. It might only be a ten percent increase in your odds of getting it. And it may reduce the severity. How sick you get depends on the virus load. Let me explain that.

If you are exposed to a single solitary cell of Corona, you probably won’t even notice it. Chances are it is going to die before it causes you problems. If it does go into your body, chances are that your immune system will fight it off before it can replicate enough to kill you. It isn’t like a Nerve Agent, where a single drop will wipe out a room full of people. It needs a lot of things to go right. And Masks are trying to limit the exposure. You might be one of those who test positive, but are Non Symptomatic. A little bit got in your system, and you have it, and are dangerous to others, but you aren’t really sick. Like Typhoid Mary, you infect others, but aren’t sick yourself. You may not even know you had it.

But the Masks only give you better odds. Like Airbags in your car. They don’t guarantee you will survive an accident. They increase the odds. When it’s your child behind the wheel, you want all the advantage you can get don’t you? No car is a guaranteed survive any accident machine. Some are safer, increase your odds more, than others.

You on the Right use statistics constantly. You think that statistics give you the right to stop and harass Blacks because they are more likely to be criminal. But use the same statistics to show how wearing a mask is a good idea, well anyone who believes that is an idiot.

So idiots, keep the masks off. That is how we identified so many of you during the Capital Raid. ANTIFA wear’s masks for hours before hand. And leaves the area still wearing masks in an effort to reduce the chances they will be identified. The White Wing morons don’t wear a mask, because they aren’t sheep. Then they are identified and later arrested, by pictures they are posting. I’m pretty sure that we know who is smarter at least. The LW at least knows to try and cover their faces during criminal activity. The RW just pretends that they have every right to be kicking in doors and breaking windows and there is no crime against it.

Initially you were told not to wear masks because there weren’t any in any that were available were needed for medical staff.

Well then why didn't they tell us to wear a handkerchief instead? Or better yet, don't talk, sneeze, or cough in peoples' faces. Seems to me that a mask worn too long would make a warm, moist breeding ground for bacteria.

When seeking solutions to a problem. The wisest course of action is to begin from the point known as “I don’t know”.

It took no time for the WHO and CDC to agree that masks are a good idea. In fact the CDC admitted they should have started with masks.

Imagine you are driving to a new place. One in a town you have never been in before. You make a mistake. You turn the wrong way. If you are human you grumble and correct your mistake. If you are part of the Extreme Right Wing you stop where you are and just stand there for the rest of your life. You don’t go back and admit a mistake. You don’t try and correct it. You just stubbornly stand there and swear this is exactly where you were meant to be.

As we learned more. Masks became a vital tool. But you won’t admit that the reality of every situation is we don’t know the answers as we begin on a journey. We try to do the best we can. But a lot of life is waiting to see how something we tried works out. If it doesn’t work, we try something else. I suppose you declare it is impossible and give up if the first attempt fails.

Good. Now explain the virtues of quarantining everybody and their brother from the git-go instead of all of the old folks.

Oh Good Lord. Isn’t it true that the reality of life is that we need things on a daily basis? Food. Water. Toilet paper? Many businesses switched to work at home. Some closed and will never reopen. Others were vital. Grocery stores as the most obvious example. And every step of the way. Morons like you. And the OP shouted that it was all a lie. They fought tooth and nail to stop any actions. We spent months debating herd immunity.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Dog saliva has. Don't know about human saliva.

The average domesticated dog saliva doesn't carry as many diseases that affect humans.

Dog saliva is antibacterial.

Dog Saliva: 9 Facts You Should Know | PetMD

Dog saliva is a way of life for pet parents who get covered in drool and slobbery kisses. But did you know these five facts about dog saliva? Read on to find out more.

www.petmd.com

Nobody is saying it isn't. Please shut the fuck up, nobody wants to debate dog slobber.

^^^ Triggered ^^^^

 

[Briss]

The results of the relatively simple trial reported here could easily be repeated and it would be interesting to see whether comparable results are obtained in emergency, orthopaedic, or other general surgical theatres. The finding that there was an appreciable fall in the wound infection rate when masks were not worn certainly warrants further investigation. This trial was designed only to see whether wound infection increased, as had been predicted, when masks were not worn. It did not. The conclusion is that the wearing of a mask has very little relevance to the wellbeing of patients undergoing routine general surgery and it is a standard practice that could be abandoned.

annrcse01509-0009.pdf (nih.gov)

And surgeons should not bother to wash their hands also.

Surgeons are not trying to get herd immunity to stop an epidemic. We are.

Any time an authority figure fails to tell me that the pandemic is based on a faulty PCR test that spit out tons and tons of false positives, I won't listen to them anymore because an omission of fact is always an admission of deception.

Why did the dumbass authority that all the dumbasses believe opt to lock everybody down instead of the vulnerable. That was stupid. The only thing more stupid than that is to not question that dumbass authority who wants you to wear a mask in response to all of those false positives.

 

[Rigby5]

Dog saliva has. Don't know about human saliva.

The average domesticated dog saliva doesn't carry as many diseases that affect humans.

Dog saliva is antibacterial.

Dog Saliva: 9 Facts You Should Know | PetMD

Dog saliva is a way of life for pet parents who get covered in drool and slobbery kisses. But did you know these five facts about dog saliva? Read on to find out more.

www.petmd.com

Jesus Christ you you guys are thick. Nobody said it wasn't only that saliva can transmit disease and bacteria. Same with dogs.

From your own link

Dog “kisses” may transfer bacteria to humans. Just because dog saliva has antibacterial properties does not mean that dog “kisses” are clean and humans should let their guard down. Dr. Edward R. Eisner, the first veterinarian to become a board-certified specialist in Veterinary Dentistry in Colorado, notes that it’s possible for bacteria to be transferred from pets to humans. One study published in Oral Biology in 2012 found that there can be a transmission of periodontopathic species of bacteria between dogs and their owners.

You are totally confused.
The danger of dog kisses is that they have little bits of decaying meat in their mouth.
It is not the saliva that is dangerous.
And covid-19 is far more delicate than bacteria.
It can not survive long or reproduce in saliva.
The risk comes from mucus and phlegm from the sinuses or lung airways.

Yes dick and the "little bits of decaying meat" is transferred via saliva.

And back to COVID, since you can test (from my previous post) for COVID in saliva it is in saliva.

Another link about viruses and diseases passed via saliva.

What Can You Catch From a Kiss?

Mononucleosis, or mono, is known as the “kissing disease.” Learn about other infectious diseases that can be spread through saliva.

www.verywellhealth.com

You don't know what you're talking about. But you're the guy who thinks getting everyone COVID will create fewer rather than more mutations. That was debunked but I believe you ignored it. You're obviously not an expert here, please stop.

Wrong.
The fact things can also be in the saliva, like decaying meat, mucus, phlegm, etc., does not mean that saliva is not an antiseptic that kills bacteria and the covid-19 virus.
Obviously if dangerous things CAN be in the saliva, that does not mean they have to be in the saliva, so it does not mean saliva is always dangerous.

That is like since if there is a gas leak and gas can get into the air and kill you, that then it would right to say air is dangerous and can kill you.

That is not just lazy, but totally inaccurate. Saliva itself is NEVER harmful. The fact a dog can also have some harmful things in its mouth is obvious, but it is not the saliva actually at all.

As for herd immunity, nothing else has ever stopped any epidemic in progress.
And herd immunity is obviously the quickest way, by NOT flattening the first spike.
The ONLY way you can ever get new genetic variants of any disease is by giving it more time, since it not only takes time for any new variant, but also time for a new variant to gain enough hosts to be able to survive.
The number of people infected in a spike has NOTHING at all to do with whether a new variant strain happens because infections in a spike all die out. They use up too many hosts too quickly, so can't pass anything on.

And by the way, new virus variants are NOT mutations.
A mutation is a random damage, like from radiation.
New virus variants do not come from that, but instead come from 2 viruses depositing their RNA into the same cell nucleus. That is really more like a hybrid than a mutation.

 

[Rigby5]

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...

If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...

You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.

Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.

They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.

Does Saliva Have Health Risks? 3 Ways Germs Can Spread

Find out which viruses and bacteria can become someone else's problem

health.clevelandclinic.org

Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:

• Rhinovirus (colds)
• Flu virus
• Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
• Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
• Strep bacteria
• Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
• Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)

You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

Q&A: How is COVID-19 transmitted?

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include...

www.who.int

You can test saliva for COVID

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.

Wrong again.
The first link talks ONLY about the virus being transmitted by mouth and nose secretions.
That is mucus and phlegm.
Saliva is a digestive enzyme and has nothing to do with the covid-19 virus.

First link specifically says this:
Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include saliva, respiratory secretions or secretion droplets.

The second link talks about a proposed idea that saliva could be used instead of a nasal swab, but that has NOT yet been agreed upon by anyone. And it clearly says that saliva could only be used if kept on ice and tested before 24 hours, because the saliva will otherwise destroy the virus.

No, the second specifically states:
A self-collected saliva sample is as good at detecting COVID-19 as a nasal swab administered by a health care worker -- without exposing medical staff to the virus while collecting the sample.

Why am I wasting my time with you?

Dummy, saliva normally contains some mucus and phlegm, which then can contain covid-19.
If you think covid-19 is not eventually killed by saliva, or that covid-19 can reproduce in saliva, then you are an idiot.
Obviously it is only the mucus and phlegm that contains the covid-19 virus or spores.

And no hospital agrees with the idea of being able to test for covid-19 from a saliva sample.
That likely is a toally bogus article. No one I checked with does saliva testing, and they all said it was totally unreliable.

If someone with COVID kisses you can you get COVID via saliva? Yes, you can.

Another source Mayo Clinic:

Can you get COVID-19 from sexual activity?

Find out whether COVID-19 can be transmitted during sexual activity and how to reduce your risk of getting the virus from a sexual partner.

www.mayoclinic.org

.

The virus spreads by respiratory droplets released when someone with the virus coughs, sneezes or talks. These droplets can be inhaled or land in the mouth or nose of a person nearby. Coming into contact with a person's spit through kissing or other sexual activities could expose you to the virus. People who have COVID-19 could also spread respiratory droplets onto their skin and personal belongings. A sexual partner could get the virus by touching these surfaces and then touching his or her mouth, nose or eyes. In addition, the COVID-19 virus can spread through contact with feces. It's possible that you could get the COVID-19 virus from sexual activities that expose you to fecal matter.

That is stupid.
Obviously they do not actually mean the saliva, but the mucus and phlegm that can get carried by the saliva.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...

If you are touching your face more with a mask you have an ill fitting mask... Get a proper fitting one and you don't need to touch it...

Tip: take your mask off with hand sanitiser on, it stops the virus getting on your hands...

You know even if you have antibodies you can still get COVID and pass it on to others?
You won't even free anything, you will be just running around like Typhoid Mary. She didn't think she was harming anyone either.

Look at the CDC excess deaths and explain them... I have a hospital full of patients as evidence...

All this pseudoscientific nonsense and other ignorance brought to you by the side whose “science” asserts that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

So if masks don't work, you don't care if your doctor or dentist wears a mask when operating on you, to prevent infection. You're good with whatever they're breathing on you.

It is likely masks worn by doctors and dentists accomplish nothing at all.
It is just psychological.

They wear them to protect patients from saliva. You're wrong. But not from viruses, there you're correct.

Saliva has a mild disinfectant.
If saliva were so bad, then humans would not kiss and animals would not lick themselves clean.

Diseases are spread through saliva.

Diseases are spread by spores, and those travel even better once the saliva dries out.
Saliva kills or inhibits pathogen growth more than it aids it.
When you cough or sneeze, that us mucus, NOT saliva.
You don't know what you are talking about.

Someone else's saliva has never been shown to prevent disease in another. It tends to carry it.

You believe in some weird shit.

That is entirely wrong. Saliva is a well known disinfectant, and has lot of healing properties.

{...
Wound licking is an instinctive response in humans and many other animals to lick an injury. Dogs, cats, small rodents, horses, and primates all lick wounds.[1] Saliva contains tissue factor which promotes the blood clotting mechanism. The enzyme lysozyme is found in many tissues and is known to attack the cell walls of many gram-positive bacteria, aiding in defense against infection. Tears are also beneficial to wounds due to the lysozyme enzyme.
...

Oral mucosa heals faster than skin,[2] suggesting that saliva may have properties that aid wound healing. Saliva contains cell-derived tissue factor, and many compounds that are antibacterial or promote healing. Salivary tissue factor, associated with microvesicles shed from cells in the mouth, promotes wound healing through the extrinsic blood coagulation cascade.[3][4][5] The enzymes lysozyme and peroxidase,[6] defensins,[7] cystatins and an antibody, IgA,[8] are all antibacterial. Thrombospondin and some other components are antiviral.[9][10] A protease inhibitor, secretory leukocyte protease inhibitor, is present in saliva and is both antibacterial and antiviral, and a promoter of wound healing.[11][12] Nitrates that are naturally found in saliva break down into nitric oxide on contact with skin, which will inhibit bacterial growth.[13] Saliva contains growth factors[14] such as epidermal growth factor,[15] VEGF,[16] TGF-β1,[17] leptin,[18][19] IGF-I,[20][21] lysophosphatidic acid,[22][23] hyaluronan[24] and NGF,[25][26][27] which all promote healing, although levels of EGF and NGF in humans are much lower than those in rats. In humans, histatins may play a larger role.[28][29] As well as being growth factors, IGF-I and TGF-α induce antimicrobial peptides.[30] Saliva also contains an analgesic, opiorphin.[31] Licking will also tend to debride the wound and remove gross contamination from the affected area. In a recent study, scientists have confirmed through several experiments that the protein responsible for healing properties in human saliva is, in fact, histatin. Scientists are now looking for ways to make use of this information in ways that can lead to chronic wounds, burns, and injuries being healed by saliva.[32]
...
It has been long observed that the licking of their wounds by dogs might be beneficial. Indeed, a dog's saliva is bactericidal against the bacteria Escherichia coli and Streptococcus canis, although not against coagulase-positive Staphylococcus or Pseudomonas aeruginosa.[33] Wound licking is also important in other animals. Removal of the salivary glands of mice[34] and rats slows wound healing, and communal licking of wounds among rodents accelerates wound healing.[35][36] Communal licking is common in several primate species. In macaques, hair surrounding a wound and any dirt is removed, and the wound is licked, healing without infection.
...}

You clearly have never had pets, worked on a farm, or know much about health in general.
Even kids know you should lick burns of cuts to help them heal.

Saliva in humans spreads disease. If you don't mind I'll stick with safer methods of cleaning wounds than being licked.

Also, I don't think you understood my comment on dog saliva nor do I really car as this is nothing more than an exercise in who gives a fuck.

BTW, 2 dogs, 1 cat.

You are just totally wrong.
There is no disease that can or does live in saliva.
When disease is spread in the air from one person to another, it is ALWAYS from mucus, like from a cough or sneeze.

The only problem with saliva is when it is from a carnivore that has partially decomposing meat in its mouth.
Saliva in humans or any animal, does NOT spread disease.

These diseases are passed via saliva.

Does Saliva Have Health Risks? 3 Ways Germs Can Spread

Find out which viruses and bacteria can become someone else's problem

health.clevelandclinic.org

Still, there are plenty of ways to transmit certain illnesses via saliva, an issue that’s getting new attention thanks to the outbreak of the novel COVID-19 coronavirus.

Saliva is a large focus on helping prevent the spread of coronavirus. “There is clearly coronavirus in saliva,” says Dr. Benninger, “so anything like sharing food is a high-risk contact and should be avoided.”

Here are a few other illnesses which can work their way from your saliva into your nose, throat and lungs:

• Rhinovirus (colds)
• Flu virus
• Epstein-Barr virus (mononucleosis, or mono)
• Type 1 herpes (cold sores)
• Strep bacteria
• Hepatitis B and hepatitis C
• Cytomegalovirus (a risk for babies in the womb)

You're kind of wasting my time.

It is easy to prove Dr. Benninger is an idiot.
The only place the covid-19 virus can hide and multiply is in sinus and lung airways.
Is there any saliva in either place?
Of course not.
So how does the virus get into a sneeze off cough?
It is removed from the sinuses or lung airways by the mucus and phlegm secretions membrane lining, that are trying to physically stick to it and pull it away.
Of course then that mucus and phlegm end up on your mouth, but you are supposed to swallow it, where it is destroyed by your digestive enzymes.
Covid-19 can not and does not reproduce in your saliva.
The fact when you sneeze of cough, you expel mucus and phlegm is how and why it spreads.
The fact there may also be some saliva in that cough or sneeze is entirely incidental and has nothing at all to do with it.

You're not bright and I think you're making that up by arguing points that nobody really cares about. However, yes, COVID can be spread through saliva.

WHO says so

Q&A: How is COVID-19 transmitted?

How is the virus that causes COVID-19 most commonly transmitted between people?Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include...

www.who.int

You can test saliva for COVID

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.

www.webmd.com

Now, again. This particular topic of yours is not the reason I'm in this thread. With that said, you're still wrong.

Wrong again.
The first link talks ONLY about the virus being transmitted by mouth and nose secretions.
That is mucus and phlegm.
Saliva is a digestive enzyme and has nothing to do with the covid-19 virus.

First link specifically says this:
Current evidence suggests that COVID-19 spreads between people through direct, indirect (through contaminated objects or surfaces), or close contact with infected people via mouth and nose secretions. These include saliva, respiratory secretions or secretion droplets.

The second link talks about a proposed idea that saliva could be used instead of a nasal swab, but that has NOT yet been agreed upon by anyone. And it clearly says that saliva could only be used if kept on ice and tested before 24 hours, because the saliva will otherwise destroy the virus.

No, the second specifically states:
A self-collected saliva sample is as good at detecting COVID-19 as a nasal swab administered by a health care worker -- without exposing medical staff to the virus while collecting the sample.

Why am I wasting my time with you?

Dummy, saliva normally contains some mucus and phlegm, which then can contain covid-19.
If you think covid-19 is not eventually killed by saliva, or that covid-19 can reproduce in saliva, then you are an idiot.
Obviously it is only the mucus and phlegm that contains the covid-19 virus or spores.

And no hospital agrees with the idea of being able to test for covid-19 from a saliva sample.
That likely is a toally bogus article. No one I checked with does saliva testing, and they all said it was totally unreliable.

If someone with COVID kisses you can you get COVID via saliva? Yes, you can.

Another source Mayo Clinic:

Can you get COVID-19 from sexual activity?

Find out whether COVID-19 can be transmitted during sexual activity and how to reduce your risk of getting the virus from a sexual partner.

www.mayoclinic.org

.

The virus spreads by respiratory droplets released when someone with the virus coughs, sneezes or talks. These droplets can be inhaled or land in the mouth or nose of a person nearby. Coming into contact with a person's spit through kissing or other sexual activities could expose you to the virus. People who have COVID-19 could also spread respiratory droplets onto their skin and personal belongings. A sexual partner could get the virus by touching these surfaces and then touching his or her mouth, nose or eyes. In addition, the COVID-19 virus can spread through contact with feces. It's possible that you could get the COVID-19 virus from sexual activities that expose you to fecal matter.

That is stupid.
Obviously they do not actually mean the saliva, but the mucus and phlegm that can get carried by the saliva.

Rigby, if you have not realized that Happy is stupid then I cannot help you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Will leftists accept REAL SCIENCE?

I already know the answer.

This is what REAL science looks like

View attachment 436438

Masks work if you replace it after every use and or wash it and wash your hands each and every time before you touch your face. Since no one does that they are more of a hindrance than help. Hence our cases are spiking.

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

.

I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..

How about logic? Does your article state that dirty masks work or worn out masks? It doesn’t.

Batman's mask doesn't work either.

It works at what he's wearing it for.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Rep. Cicilline (D-RI), who co-authored the impeachment article against President Donald Trump, was caught on camera removing his mask to sneeze into his hand, then putting his mask back in place, at the Impeachment hearing. The incident happened when Rep. Yvette Clark was speaking at the podium in front of him. Many noted Cicilline did not wash his hands or use santizer.

I'm thinking he's a little weak on the whole concept behind masks.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How do you explain the numbers. The US has far and away the worst response in the WORLD...SHOCKINGLY worse.

Everyone who is not an ignorant sheep is aware of how those numbers of have been doctored and exaggerated by more than an order of magnitude.

It truly takes a Lesh-level of stupidity to believe them.

I dont know if I mentioned it, but I recently got a text from my brother who said out 90 year old uncle died last week of "stroke/covid".

Hospitals find ways of including covid whenever possible. He died of a STROKE.

Interestingly enough, my sister's mother-in-law died in a hospital over the weekend. As far as we can tell, they didn't test her for Covid, even though she was having breathing problems among all her other issues. Could just be that my brother-in-law's sister was all distraught and not paying close attention to details.

 

[Lesh]

You people are friggin nitwits.

You're bound and determined to keep this pandemic going for as long as possible.'

Jesus

 

[HappyJoy]

/////LONNNNG THREAD SNIPPED/////

Friend, you will find neither happiness nor joy in replying without limit to people who
really should be ignored.

"Go from the presence of a foolish man." - The Holy Bible

Do you argue with pigeons? Why then do you respond to their equivalent?

I think it's incredulous disbelief. Good point though.

 

[Rigby5]

So someone goes into a body of water like the Caribbean.
A shark in the water attacks and kills them.
Is it at all reasonable then to claim that water is deadly?
Of course not.
When there are sharks in the water, it is not the water that is deadly, but the sharks.

Just like with saliva that covid-19 is killed by.
There can be mucus and phlegm in the saliva that can contain covid-19.
But then it is the mucus and phlegm that is dangerous, not the saliva.

 

[Rigby5]

You people are friggin nitwits.

You're bound and determined to keep this pandemic going for as long as possible.'

Jesus

The ONLY thing that keeps this pandemic going is "flattening the curve".
It would have been gone in March if not for the foolish attempt to "flatten the curve".

There is absolutely NO science at all that even hints that a lock down can ever end any epidemic.
Never once has.
Herd immunity is the only thing that ever has ended any epidemic.

 

[Lesh]

You people are friggin nitwits.

You're bound and determined to keep this pandemic going for as long as possible.'

Jesus

The ONLY thing that keeps this pandemic going is "flattening the curve".
It would have been gone in March if not for the foolish attempt to "flatten the curve".

There is absolutely NO science at all that even hints that a lock down can ever end any epidemic.
Never once has.
Herd immunity is the only thing that ever has ended any epidemic.

Just fucking stop. Jesus you are nuts

 

[Rigby5]

You people are friggin nitwits.

You're bound and determined to keep this pandemic going for as long as possible.'

Jesus

The ONLY thing that keeps this pandemic going is "flattening the curve".
It would have been gone in March if not for the foolish attempt to "flatten the curve".

There is absolutely NO science at all that even hints that a lock down can ever end any epidemic.
Never once has.
Herd immunity is the only thing that ever has ended any epidemic.

Just fucking stop. Jesus you are nuts

So then tell us the long and exciting history of when "lock downs" were invented, and all the miraculous saves they gave us from all the previous epidemics?

You can't.
That is because lock downs don't work at all, and people were only foolish enough to try it once before, 1918, with the result being a total disaster that prolonged a simple flu for 2 whole years, killing 10% of the population.

 

[Lesh]

What...400,000 dead ain't enough for you?

Stop already