Bob Blaylock
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Masks Don't Work
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NewsVine_Mariyam
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In poorer communities? Why then did just about the entire white contract Corona as did many people who attended the events they held?You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
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Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.www.ucsf.edu
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."www.infectioncontroltoday.com
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.www.thejournal.ie
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?breathesafeair.com
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
You see them do it every hour of every day? I got It back in March 2020. Before the mask mandates and it was early March. I was at urgent care with my daughter after her basketball injury. There goes your theory, Senior Shit.
Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strainswww.bu.edu
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.
COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.www.mayoclinic.org
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
You’re not interested in much. You ll blink and life will pass you by as you hide in your bunker like a little sissy boy.Smarter and braver than you. Little coward. You on one hand state we need more research and then go and make definitive statements. I ve Had it and still have the antibodies. You idiot.Opinions vary. You had to resort to ad hominems. Cool. I may fire back. You're a coward. Go back to your bunker.Rigby and I never agree but we agree here. The world is ending. He is 100% correctYou're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
What is wrong is to slow down the infection rate, giving the virus more time to spread wider and evolve new and more deadly strains.
The quicker you end an epidemic the better.
Since young people are essentially not at risk, they should be volunteering.
I agree, you're both not that bright.
Call it what you want, you guys are dim.
Believe it or not the pandemic isn't about you. I'm not interested in you personal story.
What? Was that English? Poorer doesn’t mean colored. Is this Joe Biden?In poorer communities? Why then did just about the entire white contract Corona as did many people who attended the events they held?You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
HappyJoy
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Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
ChemEngineer
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“Seriously people – STOP BUYING MASKS!” - Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams, Feb 29, 2020
“WHO stands by the recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick,” CNN reported on March 30, 2020
“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection… in many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” – New England Journal of Medicine, April 1, 2020
A single Sars-Cov-2 virus is about 0.1 micron
The vast majority of particles, 80 – 90%, in exhaled breath are smaller than a micron, and pass through masks like dust through a screen. Masks have almost no chance of catching most of the particles we exhale.
“Surgical masks should not be used for respiratory protection.” – “Filtration Performance of FDA-Cleared Surgical Masks, 2009 paper
“Measures such as physical distancing by 6 feet would not be helpful in an indoor setting, provide a false sense of security, and lead to exposures and outbreaks.” – International Journal of Infectious Diseases, November 2020
The four most important words in medicine are “First, do no harm.” Disruptions, social distancing, closure of schools, businesses, government agencies, travel, and life as we know it have done profound harm, psychologically, emotionally, financially, legally, and medically.
“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission.” – Emerging Infectious Diseases, a Centers for Disease Control Journal
(https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-09994_article)
Researchers in Vietnam found healthcare workers who wore cloth masks were more likely to develop infections than those who wore surgical masks as well as a third control group who were not required to wear masks at all.
(https:www.nci.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/)
Mask wearing “did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, the incidence of Sars-Cov-2 infection.” – Danish study, covering approximately 5,000 people, November 18, 2020
“My mask protects you,” goes one virtue signaling mantra – No it does not. “An epidemic is not driven by asymptomatic carriers,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci at a January press conference
Asymptomatic transmission “is very rare.” Maria Van Kerkhove, senior World Health Organization scientist, June 8, 2020
Four studies showed that “between 0% and 2.2% of people with asymptomatic infection infected anyone else.” – World Health Organization, July 2020
“The widespread use of masks by healthy people is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence.” World Health Organization, June 5, 2020
“I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing.” – May 27, 2020
Virtue signaling politics, not medicine, not science.
"Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted." - Dr. Donald Henderson, leader of the successful effort to eradicate smallpox
“WHO stands by the recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick,” CNN reported on March 30, 2020
“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection… in many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.” – New England Journal of Medicine, April 1, 2020
A single Sars-Cov-2 virus is about 0.1 micron
The vast majority of particles, 80 – 90%, in exhaled breath are smaller than a micron, and pass through masks like dust through a screen. Masks have almost no chance of catching most of the particles we exhale.
“Surgical masks should not be used for respiratory protection.” – “Filtration Performance of FDA-Cleared Surgical Masks, 2009 paper
“Measures such as physical distancing by 6 feet would not be helpful in an indoor setting, provide a false sense of security, and lead to exposures and outbreaks.” – International Journal of Infectious Diseases, November 2020
The four most important words in medicine are “First, do no harm.” Disruptions, social distancing, closure of schools, businesses, government agencies, travel, and life as we know it have done profound harm, psychologically, emotionally, financially, legally, and medically.
“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission.” – Emerging Infectious Diseases, a Centers for Disease Control Journal
(https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-09994_article)
Researchers in Vietnam found healthcare workers who wore cloth masks were more likely to develop infections than those who wore surgical masks as well as a third control group who were not required to wear masks at all.
(https:www.nci.nim.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/)
Mask wearing “did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, the incidence of Sars-Cov-2 infection.” – Danish study, covering approximately 5,000 people, November 18, 2020
“My mask protects you,” goes one virtue signaling mantra – No it does not. “An epidemic is not driven by asymptomatic carriers,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci at a January press conference
Asymptomatic transmission “is very rare.” Maria Van Kerkhove, senior World Health Organization scientist, June 8, 2020
Four studies showed that “between 0% and 2.2% of people with asymptomatic infection infected anyone else.” – World Health Organization, July 2020
“The widespread use of masks by healthy people is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence.” World Health Organization, June 5, 2020
“I want to make it be a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing.” – May 27, 2020
Virtue signaling politics, not medicine, not science.
"Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted." - Dr. Donald Henderson, leader of the successful effort to eradicate smallpox
Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
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Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info
Nope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
www.winknews.com
HappyJoy
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- Apr 15, 2015
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Nope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.
Fact-check: Does CDC release COVID-19 survival rates?
Viral tweet cites made-up CDC ‘COVID-19 survival rates’ to downplay vaccine
www.statesman.com
"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."
Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.
Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.
EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
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LOLNope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.
Fact-check: Does CDC release COVID-19 survival rates?
Viral tweet cites made-up CDC ‘COVID-19 survival rates’ to downplay vaccinewww.statesman.com
"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."
Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.
Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
www.cidrap.umn.edu
Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.
EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
divide the deaths by population and there is your percentage. Either way it’s minuscule. You’re just a coward.
HappyJoy
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- Apr 15, 2015
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LOLNope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.
Fact-check: Does CDC release COVID-19 survival rates?
Viral tweet cites made-up CDC ‘COVID-19 survival rates’ to downplay vaccinewww.statesman.com
"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."
Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.
Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.
EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
divide the deaths by population and there is your percentage. Either way it’s minuscule. You’re just a coward.
Divide deaths by population? That's not how you calculate mortality/survivor rates of a disease.
Orangecat
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No, it hasn't. It's been harmed by the overreaction of liberal ninnies like you.
NewsVine_Mariyam
Platinum Member
"White House" figuresWhat? Was that English? Poorer doesn’t mean colored. Is this Joe Biden?In poorer communities? Why then did just about the entire white house contract Corona as did many people who attended the events they held?You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
NewsVine_Mariyam
Platinum Member
In poorer communities? Why then did just about the entire White House & staff contract Corona as did many people who attended the events they held?You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Why? We don’t have a true and accurate number of those who had it and beat it?LOLNope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.
Fact-check: Does CDC release COVID-19 survival rates?
Viral tweet cites made-up CDC ‘COVID-19 survival rates’ to downplay vaccinewww.statesman.com
"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."
Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.
Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.
EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
divide the deaths by population and there is your percentage. Either way it’s minuscule. You’re just a coward.
Divide deaths by population? That's not how you calculate mortality/survivor rates of a disease.
Nice deflection. You’re such a leftist."White House" figuresWhat? Was that English? Poorer doesn’t mean colored. Is this Joe Biden?In poorer communities? Why then did just about the entire white house contract Corona as did many people who attended the events they held?You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
HappyJoy
Platinum Member
- Apr 15, 2015
- 32,056
- 5,943
- 1,140
- Banned
- #240
Why? We don’t have a true and accurate number of those who had it and beat it?LOLNope. They don’t know how many really had it and survived. And yes you don’t know so you’re guessing. 0-70 the rate is 99%. And 95% if you’re over 70. Pretty good.Nope. You posted guesses on how long antibodies last, if you can catch it again, if it has a long term impact. What we do know is that 99.9% of people who catch it survive and that you’re a little chicken.Yet that’s all you post. Hypocrisy 101.May or may not. Are we guessing together? Mine have lasted 10 months thus far.Except when you get it you get the antibodies and won't get it again. This isn't the plague. Chill, snowflake. While we don't know we also should not always assume the worst.You're a coward because you said I should not go outside and mingle. I do it all the time. We would have lost those people anyway. At least 90% of them. They were either very old and or ill to begin with. The virus is spreading still and people are wearing masks. Hmmmm.....the masks are useless unless your hands are sanitized and the mask is clean. Remember the first rule was DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Tough to do so when you're repeatedly taking off and putting on a mask.We keep a stack handy but my kids just use the same ones. I wear gaiters. Every single person I know uses the same ones over and over again. Maybe you should stop being such a coward. I had the virus. I am still here.You are one of very few. Not one person I know does this and I don't know you. To me you're just a leftist on the web. Most people use the same mask over and over again and touch their face constantly when they take it on and off. Especially in poorer communities where people cannot afford a new mask every hour. Hence the virus keeps spreading.You and your family change / wash your masks every single time. You're the only one I know who does it. Catching it twice is a myth.And how many do you believe wash and or replace masks? That was my whole point. Less than 1% I would bet. Actually worn or dirty ones are worse than no mask as they trap bacteria.Where do your links state that dirty masks work? Still waiting.....Difference I am usingI can find numerous others and none of yours state dirty masks work. Thanks for playing, Cowgirl.Oh and screw you.
.Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.
I know you consider yourself a world expert but I will go for a real expert for now..
Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19
Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."
FactCheck: Yes, masks, including cloth masks, can help prevent Covid-19 transmission
Studies have shown that masks can help prevent the spread of the virus.
By the way you are biassing you information on an article written on April the 1st 2020.... The opinion piece very clearly said at the time the information was inconclusive.
The large organisations that have done research since and stated that cloth masks are considerably better than nothing... I personally use a reuseable N95 mask....
Cambridge Mask Review - The Best Reusable Mask?
If you are looking into reusable masks then you will have heard about Cambridge Mask. However, is Cambridge Mask the best reusable mask?
Your numerous sites aren't using all the information available... But basic logic should tell you using masks work... Masks of course should be cleaned regularly, that is also in the advice.
- WHO
- CDC
No need for insults...
Where did I say don't wash masks, actually said opposite...
Also, the concept of "work' leads to a 1 or 0... it is not like that, masks reduce transmission... Clean ones are better...
I do... All my friends and family do... Maybe you should encourage it. I have a 100 disposable in my car, in case...
As for 'trap bacteria'.... For starters it is a virus... But if it was a bacteria, you are right, trap bacteria... You have it and you can't get infected twice, you want to trap it in and give it to others...
Now you are making my point... Thanks
I also keep a stash in my car and house and regularly swap out for a new one.
Gee, face masks are now a multi billion dollar business in the United States alone but you don't know anyone who keeps a stack handy? Maybe you should go out and meet the world (after the pandemic though).
I'm not sure how swapping out masks is cowardly, it's what you're supposed to do.
Lots of people had the virus and are still here, most of them actually. However we've also lost close to 400k people.
And you got COVID too. I haven't and believe it or not the fewer people who do (regardless of plasma donation) the better.
WRONG!
The more people who deliberately get it and then protect the vulnerable, the better.
Nobody serious believes this.
Time is not the factor in mutation it's the number of hosts that creates mutations. So, another reason your anti-science views are wrong.
POV: There’s Another Reason to Flatten the Curve, and It’s One You Haven’t Heard Yet
Social distancing is our best shot at controlling the mutation rate and preventing more virulent strains
If you don't mind more people dying then yes.
Except for a couple of things. One, since I have shown you that the more people who get COVID the more mutations there will be means COVID could become more deadly and a newer strain could kill younger people.
Secondly, we don't have a clear understanding what long lasting effects those who have had COVID will be dealing with. As they age what sort of ailments will they be dealing with?
.COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effects
Learn about the long-term effects of COVID-19 on the lungs, brain and nervous system.
I don't know how long the antibodies last. In order to get those antibodies a certain percentage die. So far close to 400k. Secondly, many survivors may be facing long term health issues.
It's not about assuming the best or worst it's about working with the information we have.
I'm not interested in guessing games.
Nope, I've posted things of what we know right now and I've sourced my arguments.
I said I don't know how long antibodies last. Try again.
99.9% of people who get it do not survive. That is a lie.
Looks to be closer to 2.9% globally and 2.74% in the United States
COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
CDC shows COVID-19 has high survival rate; doctor still wants to see precautions taken
A CDC update Wednesday says individuals are more likely to survive the coronavirus after contracting it. The health agency says if you have the virus between the ages of 0 to 70, you have a 99% survival rate. And if you’re over 70, the survival rate is nearly 95%. While this CDC update is a …
The CDC link in your article doesn't say that. Actually the CDC doesn't communicate COVID mortality rates.
Fact-check: Does CDC release COVID-19 survival rates?
Viral tweet cites made-up CDC ‘COVID-19 survival rates’ to downplay vaccinewww.statesman.com
"Survival analysis is highly complex," Reed said. "CDC does not have the data to calculate survivability for COVID-19. Unclear as to where social media users are getting this information."
Best guess we have is to add the number of people who survived with the number who have died to get the best estimate of what we know. Obviously people have had COVID and were never diagnosed. Just as well people have died from COVID and their death was never associated with the virus.
Here is an article that discusses this regarding early COVID deaths.
About 30% of COVID deaths may not be classified as such
Now, over time that it going to balance out as the percentage of COVID cases and deaths will continue to outnumber the early days of the pandemic when fewer people were diagnosed and deaths attributed.
EDIT: I did find this from John Hopkins.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
They are showing a U.S. mortality rate of 1.7%. So, it's a current reputable source. I'll go with that understanding it's not going to be 100% accufrate.
divide the deaths by population and there is your percentage. Either way it’s minuscule. You’re just a coward.
Divide deaths by population? That's not how you calculate mortality/survivor rates of a disease.
We don't have a true number of those who died by it either. Just the same I don't know of anyone who determines the mortality rate of a disease by looking at total population. Real dumb shit, dude.
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