Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

[rikules]

Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.

Replace the word pot with alcohol. Of course, we all know how prohibition worked so well the last time we enacted it before the War on Drugs.

When you grow alcohol let me know.

People brew their own beer and make their own wine

I know lots of people who do one or the other.

 

[Luissa]

some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.

Pot is not addicting, it is habit forming. For one you do not have the withdrawals like you do with drugs like nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine. It does not trigger anything in your brain, to make it addictive.

 

[Charles_Main]

If people grew their own, there would still be taxes from the sale of plants,seed,fertilizer,etc. just like any other plant that is now legally grown.

Not to mention the could make you buy a license for the government to grow it. Hell for that matter they could just start actually selling the stamps from the stamp act

 

[MikeK]

some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.

How many arrests have you made? I can personally attest by experience those on weed rarely resist, those on alcohol, and expecially those on alcohol and speed or downers (reds) are especially dangerous. If someone is 'stoned' on weed and acts agressively I'd be surprised if there were not other drugs or alcohol (AOD) involved, or a psychiatric condition was in play.

As for a gateway drug, there is an element of truth to this argument. However one must not necessarily lead to the other. Consider, by only a few degrees of seperation a person who chooses to buy MJ must come in contact with a professional criminal, and professionally criminals make their money by selling drugs other than MJ.
Cutting the weed with other drugs is one way to introduce a user of MJ with stronger and more profitable substances, and of course while marketing a small amount of MJ a dealer might toss in a freebee, a little taste of speed or crack as a friendly gesture.

Kids use MJ. "Just say No" was a joke. We need to educate kids on the harm of drug use, and MJ is harmful to the physical development of the brain, expecially the linkage between the left and right hemispheres. Any association with criminals is not what we want in terms of child development either, for some kids have already decided to sell drugs and caviet emptor is the operating ethos of that element.

Removing MJ from schedule I and allowing the States to ban or not makes sense. The regulated sale of MJ will provide some quality control, likely reduce the amount of illegal MJ on the streets and schoolyards and provide revenue for treatement and education.

Or, we can continue to do what we've done for the past 30 years and "Just say know".

Thank you for the substantively intelligent commentary! It is much appreciated. I have the impression that you are one of the "good guys."

 

[johnrocks]

some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.

Pot is not addicting, it is habit forming. For one you do not have the withdrawals like you do with drugs like nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine. It does not trigger anything in your brain, to make it addictive.

Yep, when I decided, I just walked away from pot, quitting cigarettes was a 20 year struggle before finally kicking it for good a few years ago. I know I'm speaking from just personal experience there but I have an addictive personality, if anyone could get addicted, it should be someone like me.

 

[Charles_Main]

some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.

Pot is not addicting, it is habit forming. For one you do not have the withdrawals like you do with drugs like nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine. It does not trigger anything in your brain, to make it addictive.

Pot is mentally addicting but not Physically addicting. Physically addicting drugs like Nicotine, Heroin, and Booze are harder to kick because the body goes through physical Withdraw and pain when you quit. Pot is much easier to kick because it is all mental. You do not feel physical pain and have withdraw when you stop.

I know I have stopped and started many times in the past. I currently have not smoked in about a year because of the costs, and when I stopped the last time. The worst of it was me being a tad annoying for awhile.

 

[Luissa]

some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.

Pot is not addicting, it is habit forming. For one you do not have the withdrawals like you do with drugs like nicotine, alcohol, and even caffeine. It does not trigger anything in your brain, to make it addictive.

Pot is mentally addicting but not Physically addicting. Physically addicting drugs like Nicotine, Heroin, and Booze are harder to kick because the body goes through physical Withdraw and pain when you quit. Pot is much easier to kick because it is all mental. You do not feel physical pain and have withdraw when you stop.

I know I have stopped and started many times in the past. I currently have not smoked in about a year because of the costs, and when I stopped the last time. The worst of it was me being a tad annoying for awhile.

When I used to smoke pot on a daily basis, and smoked cigarettes I could very much tell the difference. If I didn't have cigarettes I was evil, and could have killed someone.
If I didn't have pot, I was annoyed, but I didn't have that feeling like I absolutely needed it.
I smoke pot now, but not all the time, and it easy for me to do this even though I spent many years smoking it daily.
Another way to tell it isn't physically addicting is the fact you don't really build up a tolerance like you do on other drugs. You may be able to handle the high better, but you don't really build up a tolerance. I have smoked for weeks, then got a new kind, and it was like the first time I smoked.

Now, I just smoke it when I need to relax and de stress myself. I would rather smoke a bowl than drink.

 

[Bullfighter]

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When I used to smoke pot on a daily basis, and smoked cigarettes I could very much tell the difference. If I didn't have cigarettes I was evil, and could have killed someone.
If I didn't have pot, I was annoyed, but I didn't have that feeling like I absolutely needed it.
I smoke pot now, but not all the time, and it easy for me to do this even though I spent many years smoking it daily.
Another way to tell it isn't physically addicting is the fact you don't really build up a tolerance like you do on other drugs. You may be able to handle the high better, but you don't really build up a tolerance. I have smoked for weeks, then got a new kind, and it was like the first time I smoked.

Now, I just smoke it when I need to relax and de stress myself. I would rather smoke a bowl than drink.

Sounds like you're really stressed out. Light up and live. Would it bother you if everyone in the world right now were high? Like the doctors performing surgery, the pilots flying airplanes, the guys that push the buttons to fire the nukes?

 

[Luissa]

[
When I used to smoke pot on a daily basis, and smoked cigarettes I could very much tell the difference. If I didn't have cigarettes I was evil, and could have killed someone.
If I didn't have pot, I was annoyed, but I didn't have that feeling like I absolutely needed it.
I smoke pot now, but not all the time, and it easy for me to do this even though I spent many years smoking it daily.
Another way to tell it isn't physically addicting is the fact you don't really build up a tolerance like you do on other drugs. You may be able to handle the high better, but you don't really build up a tolerance. I have smoked for weeks, then got a new kind, and it was like the first time I smoked.

Now, I just smoke it when I need to relax and de stress myself. I would rather smoke a bowl than drink.

Sounds like you're really stressed out. Light up and live. Would it bother you if everyone in the world right now were high? Like the doctors performing surgery, the pilots flying airplanes, the guys that push the buttons to fire the nukes?

I don't get high before or while I am working, I would expect them to do the same, just like I would expect them not to drink while on the job.
You think if it was made legal, everyone would be stoned all the time?

 

[johnrocks]

[
When I used to smoke pot on a daily basis, and smoked cigarettes I could very much tell the difference. If I didn't have cigarettes I was evil, and could have killed someone.
If I didn't have pot, I was annoyed, but I didn't have that feeling like I absolutely needed it.
I smoke pot now, but not all the time, and it easy for me to do this even though I spent many years smoking it daily.
Another way to tell it isn't physically addicting is the fact you don't really build up a tolerance like you do on other drugs. You may be able to handle the high better, but you don't really build up a tolerance. I have smoked for weeks, then got a new kind, and it was like the first time I smoked.

Now, I just smoke it when I need to relax and de stress myself. I would rather smoke a bowl than drink.

Sounds like you're really stressed out. Light up and live. Would it bother you if everyone in the world right now were high? Like the doctors performing surgery, the pilots flying airplanes, the guys that push the buttons to fire the nukes?

Why can't those things be addressed like with alcohol, I no more want my Pilot drunk
Pilot charged with being drunk before flight - Travel - News - msnbc.com than high, why not allow businesses the freedom to test for drugs and decide these issues, why must we have "Uncle Sammy" making these decisions?

 

[johnrocks]

This happened just this week
Drunk Delta Pilot Arrested in Cockpit: Airline Captain Was Planning to Fly from Amsterdam to New York - ABC News

A Delta pilot has been arrested and fined for allegedly being drunk as he was preparing to fly from Amsterdam to Newark Liberty International Airport, outside New York City.


Do we need to outlaw alcohol now?

 

[Bullfighter]

I assume those who are afraid that legalizing Marijuana will lead to the deaths of people and the rampant drug use of children will be soon sprouting arguments against the legality of alcohol, prescription drugs, and cigarettes. After all, if we are going to ban one addictive substance because it might harm someone, why not ban them all? I mean people don't want to be hypocrites, right?

Oh hey, we do have a large number of obese people in this country. Perhaps the government should be telling us how much we should be eating next or what we should or should not eat.

But those items have other legitamate uses. Alcohol in different forms is a beverage and an antiseptic. Prescription drugs have medical uses. Nicotine can be used as a insect repellant.

Speaking of addictions. McDonalds can kill if taken in large doses. See the movie "Supersize Me" if you think I'm kidding. He found the food just as addictive as heroin.

 

[Bullfighter]

[I don't get high before or while I am working, I would expect them to do the same, just like I would expect them not to drink while on the job.
You think if it was made legal, everyone would be stoned all the time?

The Mexican kids in my neighborhood sell and smoke pot but I never see them smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. Why is that?

 

[Luissa]

[I don't get high before or while I am working, I would expect them to do the same, just like I would expect them not to drink while on the job.
You think if it was made legal, everyone would be stoned all the time?

The Mexican kids in my neighborhood sell and smoke pot but I never see them smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. Why is that?

I don't know, ask them.

You really don't know what you are talking about, and you are pretty much all over the place with your argument. You should read a little on the subject, and get back to us.

 

[Article 15]

I'm against legalizing pot, period. If you want to hurt the cartels, then sealing the borders would be the best way to do that.

I'm not asking you whether you are for or against pot or how you would hurt the cartels. I am asking you a simple question regarding the black market for alcohol in the United States. How big is the black market for alcohol here in relation to the legit market?

It doesn't matter how big or small the black market is in relation to alcohol. This discussion is about marijuana, or haven't you noticed?

You are the one that brought up the illegal moonshine market, not me. It's okay, I didn't think you would answer it anyway because I suspect that you know a truthful answer on your part only helps to prove my point and we can't have that now can we?

 

[Modbert]

But those items have other legitamate uses. Alcohol in different forms is a beverage and an antiseptic. Prescription drugs have medical uses. Nicotine can be used as a insect repellant.

Speaking of addictions. McDonalds can kill if taken in large doses. See the movie "Supersize Me" if you think I'm kidding. He found the food just as addictive as heroin.

And pot is used by people suffering from cancer and other diseases which cause a lot of pain as a way to not be suffering. So using your logic, time to legalize Marijuana.

And also using your logic, we should ban McDonalds then.

 

[Luissa]

But those items have other legitamate uses. Alcohol in different forms is a beverage and an antiseptic. Prescription drugs have medical uses. Nicotine can be used as a insect repellant.

Speaking of addictions. McDonalds can kill if taken in large doses. See the movie "Supersize Me" if you think I'm kidding. He found the food just as addictive as heroin.

And pot is used by people suffering from cancer and other diseases which cause a lot of pain as a way to not be suffering. So using your logic, time to legalize Marijuana.

And also using your logic, we should ban McDonalds then.

You also cannot die from smoking too much pot.

 

[Bullfighter]

[You also cannot die from smoking too much pot.

Did you ever try taking the pot away from a Mexican?

 

[Luissa]

[You also cannot die from smoking too much pot.

Did you ever try taking the pot away from a Mexican?

 

[Bullfighter]

Have you ever considered just getting drunk like most normal people?