Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

[Lonestar_logic]

And by the time you tax the hell out of it like cigarettes, it will cost more to light up than shoot heroin. Then, drug cartels will increase the prices of their supply because the US just increased the value of the product.

Boy, that was real smart!

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

He is a fool, Making it legal Decreases the value significantly, and no that is not how it worked with Prohibition. With that it went up 400% over night when made illegal, and dropped about 300% when made legal again.

The idea that if pot was legal we would still get it from Drug Cartels is a joke. It would be grown right here in America. Like a big chunk of it already is. Make it legal to posses and grow, and the Cartels are shit out of luck.

You're assuming that pot is the only product the cartels deal in.

 

[Bullfighter]

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So they are already smoking shit that smells bad to you and that's a reason to keep it ILLEGAL?

BUT they have a hard time buying booze and cigarettes because stores refuse to sell them to minors. Do you really believe that kids that are already hooked on pot are going to let a little store owner stop them from getting high?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

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heck yeah. These guys who think the price would go up simply do not understand how expensive it is right now.

You can Make 10's of thousands of Dollars with a grow space no bigger than a closet.

So if you made it legal you could cut the price SIGNIFICANTLY, tax it, and it would still be the most profitable crop a US farmer could grow.

BUT!.......The untaxed product would be significantly cheaper because it is UNTAXED. Take a look at a pack of cigarettes to see all the tax stamps on it. State, County, City, and others. The government really bleeds people who smoke.

You do understand that pot comes from a plant that is easier to grow than Tobacco right?

Tobacco is taxed and is still only 4 Dollars an once. Pot is illegal, not taxed and costs 400 dollars an ounce.

Get it?

$400 an ounce? Damn you guys are getting ripped off.

 

[Bullfighter]

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You're assuming that pot is the only product the cartels deal in.

Chicago street gangs were even involved in buying homes and ripping off mortgage companies. The penalties for getting caught doing it were far less than dealing in drugs.

 

[Dick Tuck]

After 35 years of smoking 2-3 packs a day, I quit 5 years ago. It is not that hard. But I started smoking when I was 14. Why? Probably because everybody smoked. Then, years later, it became fashionable to quit.

But I do know someone who has to smoke pot everyday. She told that those who say it's not addictive are lying. She said she hasn't gone a day in the last 10 years without smoking weed.

Try smoking pot just walking around in public if you think it's harmless. You can't do it in public buildings because smoking anything there is illegal.

Why do people need to smoke it at all? How does it improve their lives?

Bullfighter....there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive....Cigs ARE very physically addictive....and believe me dude....I HAVE walked around in public high before....and gee....no harm came to me or anyone else.....do some research before you open your yap....

Well, to be honest, there was this time back in college, at the rec center, where I was stoned on my ass. Some Asian lady came up to me, in front of the soda machine, and asked, "dat ory sodie or ory juice." I couldn't stop laughing my ass off, and I'm sure I offended this poor gal. I still regret that uncontrollable laughter.

 

[johnrocks]

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So they are already smoking shit that smells bad to you and that's a reason to keep it ILLEGAL?

BUT they have a hard time buying booze and cigarettes because stores refuse to sell them to minors. Do you really believe that kids that are already hooked on pot are going to let a little store owner stop them from getting high?

I think that it would be like the alcohol and the cigarettes, legalizing would make it harder for kids to get it, sure, there would be a big brother or someone who buys it for their 15 year old kid sister or whatever from time to time just like with beer and cigarettes but legalization would put a huge dent in kids having access.


When I was 15, it was easy as hell to get pot, not so much with beer and that was 34 years ago.

 

[k2skier]

Why is marijuana illegal now? What's the history of marijuana laws? And why must the government intrude into the personal life of its citizens?

Why is Marijuana Illegal? Because of 2 men; William Randolf Hearst and Harry J. Anslinger

Why is Marijuana Illegal? - Drug WarRant


Greed
Marijuana's potential for producing inexpensive paper made the timber industry nervous, and budding technologies--which put hemp into the competition for synthetic fibers, cellophane, methanol, super-strength plastics, paint, medicines, textiles, ship sails and foods--prompted tycoons who faced billions of dollars in subsequent losses to initiate fear campaigns (spreading claims of insanity and murder) and to lobby for the plant's prohibition.

Racism
In the 1920s and 1930s, marijuana was attacked by spreading fears of falling of collapsing barriers between blacks and whites. The federal narcotics division leader, Harry Anslinger, initiated a campaign to put marijuana at the center of interracial dating and dancing, citing marijuana's popularity in racially mixed jazz clubs.

Prejudice against Mexicans was also exploited by connecting Mexican immigrants--representing cheap labor during the Depression--to the marijuana scene and by renaming hemp as marijuana.

Ignorance
Many Americans believed that marijuana was a violent narcotic in the company of opiates, and people feared that it fomented criminal acts and psychosis. Harry Anslinger was pivotal in proliferating stories of brutal crimes and sexual predation resulting from marijuana use.

Renewed Legalization of Alcohol
Many careers existed to maintain Prohibition, and banning marijuana provided the hope of continuing employment when it was repealed. The Federal Bureau of Narcotics, established in 1930, represented this job security, particularly if widely-used marijuana was added to the list of illegal substances

Why Was Marijuana Made Illegal in the USA? | Trails.com

 

[Lonestar_logic]

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So they are already smoking shit that smells bad to you and that's a reason to keep it ILLEGAL?

BUT they have a hard time buying booze and cigarettes because stores refuse to sell them to minors. Do you really believe that kids that are already hooked on pot are going to let a little store owner stop them from getting high?

I think that it would be like the alcohol and the cigarettes, legalizing would make it harder for kids to get it, sure, there would be a big brother or someone who buys it for their 15 year old kid sister or whatever from time to time just like with beer and cigarettes but legalization would put a huge dent in kids having access.


When I was 15, it was easy as hell to get pot, not so much with beer and that was 34 years ago.

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

 

[Paulie]

After 35 years of smoking 2-3 packs a day, I quit 5 years ago. It is not that hard. But I started smoking when I was 14. Why? Probably because everybody smoked. Then, years later, it became fashionable to quit.

But I do know someone who has to smoke pot everyday. She told that those who say it's not addictive are lying. She said she hasn't gone a day in the last 10 years without smoking weed.

Try smoking pot just walking around in public if you think it's harmless. You can't do it in public buildings because smoking anything there is illegal.

Why do people need to smoke it at all? How does it improve their lives?

Bullfighter....there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive....Cigs ARE very physically addictive....and believe me dude....I HAVE walked around in public high before....and gee....no harm came to me or anyone else.....do some research before you open your yap....

Well, to be honest, there was this time back in college, at the rec center, where I was stoned on my ass. Some Asian lady came up to me, in front of the soda machine, and asked, "dat ory sodie or ory juice." I couldn't stop laughing my ass off, and I'm sure I offended this poor gal. I still regret that uncontrollable laughter.

That's funny. One of the first things I remember when I started smoking weed was going to the Chinese buffet and laughing hysterically at the wait staff

 

[Charles_Main]

Is that how it worked when Prohibition was repealed?

He is a fool, Making it legal Decreases the value significantly, and no that is not how it worked with Prohibition. With that it went up 400% over night when made illegal, and dropped about 300% when made legal again.

The idea that if pot was legal we would still get it from Drug Cartels is a joke. It would be grown right here in America. Like a big chunk of it already is. Make it legal to posses and grow, and the Cartels are shit out of luck.

You're assuming that pot is the only product the cartels deal in.

No, I am saying they would be shit out of luck when it comes to making money off of pot.

 

[k2skier]

$320 per OZ, and yes, from personal experience, it's 6-8 times stronger than the Mexican brown shit back in the 70's.

 

[johnrocks]

BUT they have a hard time buying booze and cigarettes because stores refuse to sell them to minors. Do you really believe that kids that are already hooked on pot are going to let a little store owner stop them from getting high?

I think that it would be like the alcohol and the cigarettes, legalizing would make it harder for kids to get it, sure, there would be a big brother or someone who buys it for their 15 year old kid sister or whatever from time to time just like with beer and cigarettes but legalization would put a huge dent in kids having access.


When I was 15, it was easy as hell to get pot, not so much with beer and that was 34 years ago.

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

 

[Modbert]

I feel sorry for people who still think Reefer Madness is a documentary in this day and age.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think that it would be like the alcohol and the cigarettes, legalizing would make it harder for kids to get it, sure, there would be a big brother or someone who buys it for their 15 year old kid sister or whatever from time to time just like with beer and cigarettes but legalization would put a huge dent in kids having access.


When I was 15, it was easy as hell to get pot, not so much with beer and that was 34 years ago.

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

 

[johnrocks]

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

I have grown them too but millions don't and that is why they are found in the produce market and Farmer's markets all over the country, same with any other plant that is legal and can be grown and eaten. Most don't want to wait a year to raise their own pot when they can get it quickly somewhere else.

 

[Luissa]

I watched a documentary where they talked about how pot is not a gateway drug, but the fact the government and everyone also has lied about it's affects. In the documentary the blamed the fact kids realize they were lied to about pot, so they think maybe they were lied to about other drugs.

 

[Charles_Main]

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

I have grown them too but millions don't and that is why they are found in the produce market and Farmer's markets all over the country, same with any other plant that is legal and can be grown and eaten. Most don't want to wait a year to raise their own pot when they can get it quickly somewhere else.

Only takes about 4 months but your point is valid.

 

[johnrocks]

We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

I have grown them too but millions don't and that is why they are found in the produce market and Farmer's markets all over the country, same with any other plant that is legal and can be grown and eaten. Most don't want to wait a year to raise their own pot when they can get it quickly somewhere else.

Only takes about 4 months but your point is valid.

I don't smoke it(did at one time) and never grew it so I was guessing, I just think that people should have the freedom to live their lives as they see fit unless it harms others, treat it like beer/DWI laws and be done with it.

 

[k2skier]

I think we should round up all the muslim terrorists and lock them in a room with marijuana, Beatles records, and tons of chips.

I predict world peace.

Or...

I think we should round up all the Republican congressmen and lock them in a room with marijuana, Beatles records, and tons of chips, I too predict world peace.

Why do MegacorpConglomerates and Republicans like war so much?

 

[MikeK]

Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

So it says, but what is this based on? As far as I can tell it is based on the imagination of those writing the report.

It does derive from their imaginations but it is motivated by the will of the corporations which stand to lose billions in profits if marijuana is legalized, along with police and prison guard unions and the prison construction and management industry which is the only remaining growth industry in America.