Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

I assume those who are afraid that legalizing Marijuana will lead to the deaths of people and the rampant drug use of children will be soon sprouting arguments against the legality of alcohol, prescription drugs, and cigarettes. After all, if we are going to ban one addictive substance because it might harm someone, why not ban them all? I mean people don't want to be hypocrites, right?

Oh hey, we do have a large number of obese people in this country. Perhaps the government should be telling us how much we should be eating next or what we should or should not eat. :rolleyes:
 
Can you show a study that contradicts the ones the DEA's listed?

yea.....i mentioned NORMAL....they will contradict every one of those with studies done by "reputable" places.....so who you going to believe?.....

well... depends on who's paying the so-called reputable places, no?

I think I'd go with NORML. They have an agenda, but if they lie, then they end up hurting themselves. That isn't the case for the 'reefer madness' types. Also, I think it's pretty clear that if someone is younger than a certain age, it's pretty likely that they got high at one time or another.... to no ill-effects. There are probably more health issues from high fructose corn syrup... in fact, there definitely are.

" There are probably more health issues from high fructose corn syrup... in fact, there definitely are. "


every year people die (or suffer serious injuries) from;

playing football
playing hockey
downhill skiing
snowmobiling
racing cars
drinking alcohol
smoking tobacco
unhealthy diets
failure to exercise
mountain climbing
having the wrong opinions and accidently running into a political or religious zealot


many years ago the anti-marijuana crowd ran a commercial on tv;

it showed a kid getting hit in the head in a boxing match

their message was; smoking pot is as bad for your brain as being punched in the head!

the problem: at that time (and no doubt still) police depts all over the country were trying to get kids interested in BOXING as a way to keep them off drugs because drugs are as bad as boxing!

the ad only ran a short while and was pulled....never to be shown again....
 
I watched a documentary where they talked about how pot is not a gateway drug, but the fact the government and everyone also has lied about it's affects. In the documentary the blamed the fact kids realize they were lied to about pot, so they think maybe they were lied to about other drugs.

Bingo. The war on drugs has used scare tactics and out right lies about the drug for ever. Claiming it will make you crazy, and violent. So when kids try it and find out nothing could be further from the truth. They assume the Government is lying about all the drugs.
 
Obama is f**ng hypocrite when it comes to pot. He jokingly mocked Clinton about not inhailing yet he shudders out of fear of republican reprisal should he do the right thing.
That is the sad truth.

President Obama's position on marijuana compared with Candidate Obama's position on marijuana, which is as different as is night from day, is clear evidence that Obama is subordinate to the will of the right-wing shadow government, which is the corporatocracy.

I fully expect Obama to come out against legalization in the very near future.
 
I think that it would be like the alcohol and the cigarettes, legalizing would make it harder for kids to get it, sure, there would be a big brother or someone who buys it for their 15 year old kid sister or whatever from time to time just like with beer and cigarettes but legalization would put a huge dent in kids having access.


When I was 15, it was easy as hell to get pot, not so much with beer and that was 34 years ago.

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.
 
I watched a documentary where they talked about how pot is not a gateway drug, but the fact the government and everyone also has lied about it's affects. In the documentary the blamed the fact kids realize they were lied to about pot, so they think maybe they were lied to about other drugs.

Bingo. The war on drugs has used scare tactics and out right lies about the drug for ever. Claiming it will make you crazy, and violent. So when kids try it and find out nothing could be further from the truth. They assume the Government is lying about all the drugs.
When I was in high school and started smoking pot, the only thing I got violent on, was DQ Blizzards and ranch dressing. :lol:

I also tried cocaine when I got older. My gateway drug to that, was alcohol, not pot.
In my opinion, alcohol is the number one gateway drug, but you will never see a report supporting that. And I wonder why?
I, for one starting drinking before I ever tried pot.
 
Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.

Replace the word pot with alcohol. Of course, we all know how prohibition worked so well the last time we enacted it before the War on Drugs.
 
Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.

Tomatoes are easy to grow too yet people go to the produce dept. or farmer's markets daily to get them, pot is grown right now legally, Kentucky is the 2nd biggest producer behind California, pot is grown right there in the Daniel Boone National Wilderness.


I support it because I support individual rights, not the nanny state.
 
Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.

You obviously have never grown pot. If you don't live in the right climate, you have to grow inside. Which takes a lot of research, money, and time.
Your argument that every one and their dog will be doing it, doesn't really work either. Many people already do it, the ones who have the time and money. They will never stop all of them, so why not legalize it, and make it harder for minors to get?
 
That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

I have grown them too but millions don't and that is why they are found in the produce market and Farmer's markets all over the country, same with any other plant that is legal and can be grown and eaten. Most don't want to wait a year to raise their own pot when they can get it quickly somewhere else.

A year to grow pot? Well we can tell you're not a farmer. I can grow one in about 3 to 4 months.
 
That would be true in some cases but marijuana is harder to grow than a tomato plant and how many grow their own tomatoes?

You oppose State Rights and individual rights and responsibilities?(just asking, not aware of your political views)

Bullshit, pot isn't hard to grow and there are literally hundreds of books on the subject.

I'm opposed to legalizing pot.

Tomatoes are easy to grow too yet people go to the produce dept. or farmer's markets daily to get them, pot is grown right now legally, Kentucky is the 2nd biggest producer behind California, pot is grown right there in the Daniel Boone National Wilderness.


I support it because I support individual rights, not the nanny state.

I thought Washington State was the second largest producer? :D
 
If people grew their own, there would still be taxes from the sale of plants,seed,fertilizer,etc. just like any other plant that is now legally grown.
 
We grow our own tomatoes. Nothing as good as a home grown tomato.

I have grown them too but millions don't and that is why they are found in the produce market and Farmer's markets all over the country, same with any other plant that is legal and can be grown and eaten. Most don't want to wait a year to raise their own pot when they can get it quickly somewhere else.

A year to grow pot? Well we can tell you're not a farmer. I can grow one in about 3 to 4 months.

I was born and raised on a farm, we just never grew pot.
 
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About 20 years ago on one of the first web sites "prodigy" which I'm sure many of you remember, and many more don't. I started the C.C.L.M, the California Committee for the Legalization of Marijuana. I honestly believe I was one of the first, if not the first legalization sites on the web period. I don't smoke anymore but I'm still a die hard believer in legalization. It looks like 20 years later, California may in-fact do it this November. I could still write to this day a hundred page article on why it should be legalized, but I don't want to do that this time. I want to hear your honest opinions as to why or why not this is a good idea. Though I will throw out a few facts in the end , as to why this is in-fact a conspiracy. I will stick around and throw out facts and figures, but I honestly want each and every one of your ideas behind this. This quite frankly is the subject that started me on the road to being a conspiracy theorist. If you want to know why, ask me. This is one of the very few areas other than water purification, that I consider myself a "proffessional". So members, what are your thoughts? What are the negatives? What are the positives? I promise to reply to every single one of you.

Like I stated before, this could easily take 100 pages. Don't worry I won't do that here. I will simply state the most important bullet points, which are all very easily researchable, and proven true. I will try to keep this as short as possible, for the fact that I still want your opinions, and I don't want to skew the mix too much.

Ok, the simple fact is that marijuana prohibition was never about marijuana or its use, it was about hemp. (the same plant). It started in the 1930's when William Hearst of the Hearst newspaper group, the Hearst magazine group, and yes Hearst castle, saw an opportunity to shut down production of a major opposing industry "hemp".

Hearst began to run articles in his newspaper in the thirty's about African Americans that were getting high on marijuana and then raping white women. These articles started a national outrage which then began the prohibition of marijuana. Hence the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

You may ask, if it wasn't true, why would he publish it? The simple fact is Hearst had very powerful friends in many other industries that worked together as a group, and are still to this day the most powerful industries in the United States. The cotton industry, paper industry, and oil industry. Later on Big pharmecutical and even the soy industry got involved. This was a collective power grab, by several of the countries largest industries, to destroy an already profitable industry that they were aware could eventually replace each and every one of them.

Just a few facts:

You can get as much paper, or fiberboard, from one acre of hemp, as you can get from 30 acres of forestland.

You can get as much high quality fiber for clothing, rope, fabrics in general, from one acre of hemp, as you can get from 16 acres of cotton, and it is far easier to harvest.

Hemp oil is so easy to produce, it could easily replace every other form of oil in the world.

Hemp seed has been proven to be more beneficial to health than soy beans, and far easier to produce in virtually every climate in America.

We will now jump forward to "The Narcotic control act of 1956", This made marijuana a class 1 narcotic, right along side heroin. Why was this done?
In the early 1950's there were many studies done around the world that not only proved that certain canibinoids could deter or kill specific cancer cells. There were studies left and right on cannibinoids that proved many were more efficient than their current pharmecudical counterparts at treating specific diseases. Lots, and lots of them. This topic itself could take up 50 plus pages on it's own. I highly suggest you research this for yourself, it is fascinating. Though back to the subject. What was the purpose of this classification? No class 1 narcotic can be tested for medical applications. I know crazy right? It only gets worse. During the war on drugs in the early eighties, the United States made it virtually impossible for any country on the planet to have legalized marijuana, because they would then be cut off from trade with the U.S. As a drug sponsering country. The research from the countries that continued to do medical testing on marijuana have come up with thousands, yes thousands of medical benefits to marijuana. While we in the U.S. and the U.K. were watching infomercials that told us that "1 joint is as harmful as 20 ciggarettes". (which was later proven to be vise versa) other countries were testing marijuana to be used on cancer patients. Not only as an appetite increaser for those going through chemotherapy, but doing testing on the cannibinoids effect on the cancer cells themselves.

If I keep going I will be on the start to truly write the 100 pages so I will finish now with a few more facts.

Marijuana is one of the oldest plants on Earth, and fossilized remains have been found inside the dissolved digestive tracts of dinosaurs from atleat 65,000,000 years ago.

The declaration of independence is written on Hemp Paper.

The first American flag was made from hemp.

Most Bible's pre 1900 were written on hemp paper.

George Washington grew marijuana.

In a few American wars it was actually a law that American families had to by law grow hemp, to help out the military.

There is no known overdose limit on THC, the active ingredient in Marijuana.

Marijuana officially does not kill brain cells, review all the latest research.


So if you have any specific questions ask me. Though I hope you can now see how this one issue could have sent me down the road to being a conspiricy theorist.

-Dreamwalker

P.S. I know my spelling and grammar can be horrendous, just read it REAL FAST and you won't even notice.
 
If people grew their own, there would still be taxes from the sale of plants,seed,fertilizer,etc. just like any other plant that is now legally grown.

More likely, Monsanto would lace your weed with some kind of asshole gene, and claim that your stash belonged to them.
 
some ignorant folks in this thread, on BOTH sides of the issue.

Pot IS addictive and it is a gateway drug, for SOME.

Oh, to answer the LEO question. I know first hand of pot heads attacking LEO, for a variety of reasons. No, it isn't like meth , which just makes a person lose their minds, but a pothead will act aggressively just like any other criminal if they think they are about to be arrested.
This time you're right on both points -- but conditionally.

Marijuana can be a gateway but only to those with addictive personality syndrome. Such individuals are inclined to develop addictions to such things as cola drinks (I knew one), so if it wasn't marijuana that got them started it would be something else.

And incidents in which someone who is stoned on pot attacks the narcs who are about to arrest him certainly is not typical but is behaving defensively. The reality is marijuana is by far the most effective tranquilizer known, so stoners are never aggressively violent -- as any of your real cop friends (not narcs) will attest.
 
Obama is a Democan't on this issue, which makes him worse than republicans. He smoked often (his own words) so he know's how harmless it is but he's to big a ***** to do anything other than say "States I'll let you work it out".
That's true. He did say that. But I expect he will reverse himself on that, too, when the pressure from his corporate sponsors is brought to bear.

As usual, California will lead the culture out of the dark ages. Arnold a republican who smoked often won't stop it.
I hope you're right. But the drug warriors have just started their campaign and they haven't rolled out the big guns yet. Expect that in October.
 
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