Marijuana to Blame for Increased Drug Use in 2009, Government Report Says

[MikeK]

When I started smoking around 40 years ago, I could buy a pack of cigarettes for 35 cents. Today I think a pack of cigarettes is around $7.00. How much of that is tax?

There are countries in Europe where the thing to smuggle is cigarettes. They don't bother trying to smuggle drugs.

The trick there is government can get away with such an enormous tax on cigarettes because the smokers have no choice. Tobacco isn't easy to grow, cure and process, whereas marijuana is. So if government assigned a prohibitive tax to legal pot it would be self-defeating because the illegal market would return and those who have a place to grow it would do so.

So the price of legal marijuana would be held at a reasonable level by those marketing considerations.

 

[MikeK]

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

If pot is legalized you may rest assured it will still be rigidly controlled and the controls will include a licensing requirement for growing it. While you can buy it in a government licensed store, get caught growing your own and go to jail for tax evasion.

While some will undoubtedly do it, the vast majority will not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Are you smoking now? Just one long sentence. See how it effects your typing!

there are a hell of a lot of people who cant quit smoking Cigs.....there are plenty of studies out there saying cigs are one of the hardest drugs to stop doing....for you to tell us because you were able to quit,

So are you saying they should take up smoking pot to put another monkey on their backs?
What good does smoking pot do?

and you know a pot smoker...WHO DOES NOT WANNA QUIT....is pretty stupid,just to try and make a point....the girl you know can quit....but SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.....pot can be MENTALY addictive

It is MENTALLY addictive only to those who SELL POT AND MAKE A PROFIT or those who smoke it and need an excuse to keep smoking it. She was giving me living testamony that see can't stop smoking it because she is addicted to it, PERIOD. Mentally or Physically addictive. Drug dealers get rich and pot smokers have there excuse to keep smoking. It doesn't take a genius or "60 Minutes" to figure that one out.

your name sums you up dude....BULL....and your not to bright....and your a fool to believe this girl cant quit smoking Pot....in one part you say.."It is MENTALLY addictive only to those who smoke it and need an excuse to keep smoking it"......like your friend....and then you say she gave you "living testamony" that she cant stop.....Because She Is Mentally Addicted And Does Not Want To Stop!....but she can if she wanted to.....maybe you had better stick to bashing Mexicans....there you just look like a racist.....here you look like an idiot....

 

[Harry Dresden]

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I never bought pot from someone who had not been my friend for years. Hows the whether in arrogant land?

Say, what is the stuff that Mexican kids smoke that smells like cherries. The gangs around here are always smoking it. Another reason to keep that crap illegal.

Smells like cherries? lol no idea.

they cant afford Pot....so they smoke Cherries....

 

[Harry Dresden]

BUT they have a hard time buying booze and cigarettes because stores refuse to sell them to minors. Do you really believe that kids that are already hooked on pot are going to let a little store owner stop them from getting high?

your getting ******* ridiculous now.....go find a thread about Mexicans...

 

[eots]

I like to grow my own its fun and you know its organic. I get a half pound of good bud from one good plant plus the hash and oil I can make from the leaf..I grow it all outdoors so it virtually cost nothing

 

[Harry Dresden]

$400 an ounce? Damn you guys are getting ripped off.

depends on the quality of what your buying.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Well, to be honest, there was this time back in college, at the rec center, where I was stoned on my ass. Some Asian lady came up to me, in front of the soda machine, and asked, "dat ory sodie or ory juice." I couldn't stop laughing my ass off, and I'm sure I offended this poor gal. I still regret that uncontrollable laughter.

rookie......

 

[Charles_Main]

one bit of good news. The Obama Admin finally blames something on someone else other than Bush

 

[Charles_Main]

$400 an ounce? Damn you guys are getting ripped off.

depends on the quality of what your buying.....

That was an attempt to average it. Around here it ranges from 200 to 600 a ounce actually depending on quality.

Still it does not change the fact that Pot is many many times more expensive than Tobacco, even thought it is easy to grow, and you do not have to add chemicals to it to make people smoke it, and it is Not taxed.

Because it is illegal.

 

[eots]

$400 an ounce? Damn you guys are getting ripped off.

depends on the quality of what your buying.....

400 a ounce !!...thats insane ..you put it in a 5 gal bucket of good soil, put in the sun and give it water...you can do it almost anywhere..and my dank is as good as it gets

 

[Harry Dresden]

While NORML is indeed biased please don't equate it with the DEA which is notorious for publishing duplicitous propaganda. NORML relies for its very existence on presenting unimpeachable facts and reliable information. NORML is the very antithesis of the DEA and the drug warrior cult.

look if i had to pick between the two i would go with NORML hands down.....but that is because i have smoked the stuff for a long time and i know most of the shit the Anti-Pot people spew is bullshit......But ....they are a tad biased....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I like to grow my own its fun and you know its organic. I get a half pound of good bud from one good plant plus the hash and oil I can make from the leaf..I grow it all outdoors so it virtually cost nothing

ill be over tonight.....Pizza sound good....

 

[Bullfighter]

=MikeK;2745450I don't know about improving one's life but it feels really nice.

But look at how many lives it has destroyed just to feel high when you could have had a beer.

 

[Bullfighter]

this is true.....thats why i said i never encountered shit like this....we had a guy one time try and sell us pot that smelled like it was soaked in Ammonia or something....we told him...thanks but no thanks....

That smell is mold. It typically results from being baled over long periods of time, especially in the bilge of a boat.

Smoking moldy weed can be damaging to the respiratory system -- which is another good reason for legalizing it. Quite a bit of bootleg pot is analogous to the bootleg liquor sold during prohibition called, "bathtub gin," which very often contained deadly toxins such as anti-freeze and it killed a lot of people.

Now how many people did that guy kill with his pot?

 

[Harry Dresden]

=MikeK;2745450I don't know about improving one's life but it feels really nice.

But look at how many lives it has destroyed just to feel high when you could have had a beer.

really?.....so show us a stat showing how Pot has destroyed more lives than alcohol.....i will give the rest of the year to find one......if you need next year.....go for it.....i got time....

 

[Bullfighter]

When I started smoking around 40 years ago, I could buy a pack of cigarettes for 35 cents. Today I think a pack of cigarettes is around $7.00. How much of that is tax?

There are countries in Europe where the thing to smuggle is cigarettes. They don't bother trying to smuggle drugs.

The trick there is government can get away with such an enormous tax on cigarettes because the smokers have no choice. Tobacco isn't easy to grow, cure and process, whereas marijuana is. So if government assigned a prohibitive tax to legal pot it would be self-defeating because the illegal market would return and those who have a place to grow it would do so.

So the price of legal marijuana would be held at a reasonable level by those marketing considerations.

That is the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever heard. Pot is not cheap even buying it through illegal means. Why are those who smoke it now not simply growing it at home? Everybody claims that it grows like weeds so it will grow anywhere. What do you say, Professor?

 

[Bullfighter]

Bullshit!

If it were legal every dopehead would be growing the shit in their front yards. Access would be pretty easy.

If pot is legalized you may rest assured it will still be rigidly controlled and the controls will include a licensing requirement for growing it. While you can buy it in a government licensed store, get caught growing your own and go to jail for tax evasion.

While some will undoubtedly do it, the vast majority will not.

HA! HA! HA! I'm rolling on the floor.

That is exactly what I have been saying. Legalizing pot makes it expensive with all those strict government controls and taxes. Plus minors won't be able to get their hands on your highly restricted dope. The drug cartels won't be effected at all. Will law enforcement attack cartels with tax evasion when they can't even tag them with murder?

Minors that will soon be joining the ranks of gangs smoke it all over my town while walking down the street and the police do NOTHING!
The might confiscate it when I call the police to get the 5 or 6 Mexicans off my porch, but they don't arrest them which in itself is a crime and makes the police look ridiculous.

There's your explanation of the drop in crime. Don't arrest unless a body is involved. I live in a 80% hispanic neighborhood. With the sanctuary city bullshit, these illegals get away with everything just short of murder and that will soon be changed when the Mexican flag flys over Washington.

 

[ABikerSailor]

=MikeK;2745450I don't know about improving one's life but it feels really nice.

But look at how many lives it has destroyed just to feel high when you could have had a beer.

Interestingly enough, people who only smoke cannabis and do no other drugs (yes, there are people like that) generally lead pretty productive lives.

Matter of fact, I know a computer programmer who owns his own business and makes a pretty good living.

He doesn't drink, only smokes.

Most of the violent crimes? They involve something in ADDITION TO smoking pot. Matter of fact, for a while, there was a biker bar here in Amarillo where you could go out on the back porch and smoke a joint. I was a bartender there for 4 1/2 years, and every person who smoked was generally there having a good time.

The ones that drank only? They'd get violent on occasion. Those that did other things? I'd kick them out of the bar, usually with the help of other patrons in the bar.

Nope.........sorry.........as someone who has tried it, as well as someone who has worked in a bar environment around people who smoked, marijuana isn't any worse than a beer, and probably better.

You can sober up from being high by eating sugary foods. You can't do that with alcohol.

 

[Bullfighter]

=MikeK;2745450I don't know about improving one's life but it feels really nice.

But look at how many lives it has destroyed just to feel high when you could have had a beer.

Interestingly enough, people who only smoke cannabis and do no other drugs (yes, there are people like that) generally lead pretty productive lives.

Matter of fact, I know a computer programmer who owns his own business and makes a pretty good living.

He doesn't drink, only smokes.

Most of the violent crimes? They involve something in ADDITION TO smoking pot. Matter of fact, for a while, there was a biker bar here in Amarillo where you could go out on the back porch and smoke a joint. I was a bartender there for 4 1/2 years, and every person who smoked was generally there having a good time.

The ones that drank only? They'd get violent on occasion. Those that did other things? I'd kick them out of the bar, usually with the help of other patrons in the bar.

Nope.........sorry.........as someone who has tried it, as well as someone who has worked in a bar environment around people who smoked, marijuana isn't any worse than a beer, and probably better.

You can sober up from being high by eating sugary foods. You can't do that with alcohol.

But why does one need to take it in the first place? Why not deal with life as it really is?