Liz Cheney says Trump appears to have been ‘personally involved in planning’ 6 Jan insurrection

[NotfooledbyW]

What they DIDN'T do is plan to breach the Capitol building

Are you and Correll going to get your stories straight? You Oldestyle are the one lying about no planning. Just ask Correll

Correll wrote: My understanding is that some people had plans ahead of time to use the demonstration as cover to start a violent confrontation. - - - SO, nothing "Sparked" it. Some people chose to DO it. 21MAR07-POST-#1042

My understanding is that some people had plans ahead of time to use the demonstration as cover to start a violent confrontation.


SO, nothing "Sparked" it. Some people chose to DO it.

. Some went inside unarmed. Others were planned to wait armed outside.

They owe you an explanation Faun .

Oldestyle says bad policing caused the riot. It was spontaneous. Correll says militia types planned it. Nothing spontaneous about it. But both the dumbasses seem to be thinking the riot took place outside.

Its also hilarious when DJTvoterrrs believe the complete opposite of each other - but in Trumpworld they are still both absolutely right anyway.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

was speaking about Adam Schiff's pathological lying, Fort Fun!

And nobody cares. Your coping mechanism whataboutism will get you nowhere.

 

[lantern2814]

Funny that we don't need to find the facts we do not yet have, yet he already knows the facts.

An honest, rational person would be forced to admit this egregious, fatal error in his argument. In addition to his entire argument being based on his initial error in misrepresenting the first committee that was proposed.

But he is not being honest or rational.

Hey illiterate one, here’s the fact you keep running away from. The FBI found ZERO evidence of ANY plot. Then again, you’re an idiot so you ignore reality.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The FBI found ZERO evidence of ANY plot.

So what? Why do you morons think that is some kind of big "zinger!"? Did the FBI acquire the documents currently under subpoena? Nope. Did the FBI acquire the phone records of the troglodytes likes Greene, and Gosar? Nope.

So sit back and enjoy the show, cultist.

 

[lantern2814]

Liar. You go ahead and source that info for us.

And still they did not go to the authorities.

Dude, you are acting. And you are not good at it. You clearly think just making shit up is going to get you somewhere.

This from an ignorant asshole who NEVER sources any of his bullshit, then cries for links. You must be used to your Dim masters spoon feeding you. Again, reality destroys your fairy tale.

 

[lantern2814]

So what? Why do you morons think that is some kind of big "zinger!"? Did the FBI acquire the documents currently under subpoena? Nope. Did the FBI acquire the phone records of the troglodytes likes Greene, and Gosar? Nope.

So sit back and enjoy the show, cultist.

Cry harder asshole. You think the FBI, with more investigative power than that twit Cheney, didn’t already see all this “evidence”? This committee has zero investigative power by comparison. The FBI investigates for 8+ months and finds ZERO to tie Trump to this, and ZERO evidence of any plot. Period. Yet you jizz yourself over Cheney claiming SHE knows things the FBI doesn’t. Keep crying and lying. Your fantasy is being destroyed day by day.

 

[ThisIsMe]

ThisIsMe wrote: Again, I have been trying to keep my discussion focused around the question of the integrity of the committee, that is all 21OCT31-POST#678

NFBW wrote: And there is really nothing to talk about because thus far their integrity is intact. The integrity of those being investigated is non-existent. I suggest we discuss the integrity of both sides instead of trashing only the members of Congress that are doing exactly what they appear to believe they came to Congress to do. Defend and protect the Constitution of the UNITED STATES if America from foreign and domestic threats. Its a job made very difficult when the Constitution is under attack by a sitting , and now former, president (still attacking btw) having shown he can lie about the Constitution and his seventy million supporters don’t care - They lack the integrity to care. That includes you ThisIsMe when or if you continue to want to ban talk of the lack of integrity on the Trump side just to focus on the integrity of the people on the investigation side. Do what you want ThisIsMe but you ought to drop your one-sided attack on the Committee and talk about the entire predicament Trump and his anti-Democratic and anti-constitutional supporters, militias, media operatives and conspiracy believing nutjobs have put us, as a nation into. THATS ALK 21NOV31POST#688

Yes, it one sided because it is a one sided committee. Look, you and I are just spinning our wheels here. I'm not going to convince you, you won't convince me, and at the end of the day, nothing you or I will say will have any effect on the outcome of all of this.

I don't trust the committee to conduct a fair and unbiased investigation. I don't trust them to show ALL of the evidence, even the evidence which may clear Trump. I believe they will take information and twist the context or selectively release information to try and prove their predisposed ideas. You don't, so, yeah, we are going nowhere in this discussion .

 

[Oldestyle]

Are you and Correll going to get your stories straight? You Oldestyle are the one lying about no planning. Just ask Correll

Correll wrote: My understanding is that some people had plans ahead of time to use the demonstration as cover to start a violent confrontation. - - - SO, nothing "Sparked" it. Some people chose to DO it. 21MAR07-POST-#1042







They owe you an explanation Faun .

Oldestyle says bad policing caused the riot. It was spontaneous. Correll says militia types planned it. Nothing spontaneous about it. But both the dumbasses seem to be thinking the riot took place outside.

Its also hilarious when DJTvoterrrs believe the complete opposite of each other - but in Trumpworld they are still both absolutely right anyway.

The riot began outside and then transitioned inside because the Capitol Police were so unprepared for the protest. That wasn't planned. The FBI investigation made that rather clear.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, it one sided because it is a one sided committee.

And there it is again. The committee is one side, because the Republicans refused to participate like Normal adults. But you think that is fine, and the committee should shut down.

You like the tactic, and like that the facts will not come out. But they would all be fake anyway. But you know all the real facts already, by magic. Getting dizzy over here.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That wasn't planned. The FBI investigation made that rather clear.

Lie.

 

[ThisIsMe]

ThisIsMe wrote: As I said, it would have been a crappy thing to do, I was just asking if it was illegal. That's all 21OCT30-POST#687

NFBW wrote: I can assure you ThisIsMe that the following DJT tweet during an active chaotic attack under Jesus, Confederate and TRUMP flags against a live session of Congress with Mike Pence and his entire family present, his devoted wife, the mother of his children, his grown kids, their spouses, grandkids being whisked to safety from a vicious violent mob is not ILLEGAL. Not illegal in the the slightest. 21NOV-POST#689

2:24 p.m.: Trump tweets: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"

2:52 p.m.: The first FBI SWAT team enters the Capitol.

NFBW wrote: It’s not illegal but what do you think ThisIsMe about the integrity, character morality spirituality, intelligence, decency, loyalty of the man who sent that message to a rioting mob, under these trying circumstances and the fact he was sitting watching the riot unfold on TV refusing to get off his fat ass and engage the panicked calls from his own party members to call off the riot.? 21NOV-POST#689

NFBW wrote: Do you recall Correll Oldestyle ThisIsMe that DJT chose Mike Pence, the model white evangelical Christian politician to be on the ticket to give the pussy grabber - porn star fucker cred with the white evangelical Christian Republican voter base that was a must need to win the White House. AND just look at the way DJT turned on his buddy in the foxhole when his cover was no longer needed. 21NOV-POST#689

I swear to god ThisIsMe I’d bet Charles Manson and Adolph Hitler wouid not turn their loyal friend like that if they had one. 21NOV-POST#689

OK, if they KNEW the Eastman Plan was illegal, and they were going to do it in full view of the entire country, they would have had to have known it wouldn't work. So why do it?

 

[Oldestyle]

And nobody cares. Your coping mechanism whataboutism will get you nowhere.

You seem to care, Fort! You ate up Schiff's bullshit when he was lying to the American people about having proof that collusion took place between Trump and the Russian government! You'll eat up his bullshit when he lies to you again about having proof that Trump planned an insurrection!
When people lie and get caught doing so...you don't take them seriously anymore. Schiff has been caught repeatedly.

 

[Oldestyle]

Lie.

Show where the FBI report detailed planning to assault the Capitol building, Fort! Either that or admit that I'm dealing with facts and you're pushing another fake narrative by the left!

 

[Oldestyle]

And there it is again. The committee is one side, because the Republicans refused to participate like Normal adults. But you think that is fine, and the committee should shut down.

You like the tactic, and like that the facts will not come out. But they would all be fake anyway. But you know all the real facts already, by magic. Getting dizzy over here.

The GOP refused to participate because Nancy Pelosi refused to seat the Republicans that were named by the Minority Leader! Show me where THAT has ever happened before? Show me where a Speaker of the House has EVER done something that outrageous!

 

[ThisIsMe]

And there it is again. The committee is one side, because the Republicans refused to participate like Normal adults. But you think that is fine, and the committee should shut down.

You like the tactic, and like that the facts will not come out. But they would all be fake anyway. But you know all the real facts already, by magic. Getting dizzy over here.

The committee is one side, because the Republicans refused to participate like Normal adults.

Yep, they screwed the pooch on that one.

But you think that is fine, and the committee should shut down.

Never said that. Exhaustingly I have been saying all I want is a fair investigation. Maybe you're right though, since the repubs turned down the initial commission, maybe they deserve the biased and one sided outcome that is about to happen.

You like the tactic, and like that the facts will not come out.

Nope, again, I have, REPEATEDLY!!!!! stated that all I want is a fair and unbiased investigation, and if they find the clear evidence of trumps involvement of planning and ordering the riot, that I would stand with you. I believe I've said that....a time or ten...

you know all the real facts already,

No, I don't know all of the facts, but you on the left seem to, you had him pegged as guilty even before the investigation even was thought of.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Show where the FBI report detailed planning to assault the Capitol building, Fort! Either that or admit that I'm dealing with facts and you're pushing another fake narrative by the left!

Your are too dense even to understand your own lie. They FBI did not determine they all planned to just stand outside the capitol right up until the second they didn't. That's your weaselly little lie. You are intentionally leaving out your high cult priest's stage act, which is what actually incited them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yep, they screwed the pooch on that one.

think so? You think it would have been better for them, had they been on the committee? How so? I don't. The facts would have been just as real and just as damning, despite your fantasy to the contrary. The didn't screw the pooch. As your postings show, their tactic was very, very effective.

I mean, they got some Joe Q from Anytown, USA (you) bending over backwards to cover for them and to make preemptive excuses for discounting the findings of the existing committee.

That is GREAT success, by any measure. Propaganda doesn't get any more successful than that.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ThisIsMe wrote: Yeah, I'm speaking out against the committee because I believe them to be predisposed to an outcome. 21OCT31-POST#662

NFBW wrote: And when ThisIsMe “believes” it .. his belief alone makes it true. It’s tough to know that I am having a discussion with an omniscient being. Silly me wanting facts from a god that prove the Committee members are predisposed to an outcome. Gods need not bother with facts. Facts are for mere mortals to deal with. 21NOV01-POST#738

 

[Oldestyle]

Your are too dense even to understand your own lie. They FBI did not determine they all planned to just stand outside the capitol right up until the second they didn't. That's your weaselly little lie. You are intentionally leaving out your high cult priest's stage act, which is what actually incited them.

Do you want to show where the FBI's investigation shows any planning to go inside the Capitol building, Fort? Or are you going to try and bluster and insult your way out of a claim that you have ZERO evidence to back up?

 

[Chillicothe]

What the Committee uncovers will be interesting no matter if it indicts or absolves Don Trump.
We all should be glad that such a portentous event as attacking the seat of our government is being investigated by the people who represent us.

But independent of that Committee there have been a handful of excellent reportages about January 6th. Big in-depth print pieces and/or documentaries from: the New York Times; by Frontline; by Netflix, by HBO.

Anyone who is sincere about acquiring knowledge of who hit who and when and where that day....well, that info is being developed (discovered) and communicated. The reportage I've read, the documentaries I've watched, were all informative, and for the most part neutral on political bias. Sort of a Sgt. Friday..."Just-the-facts-Ma'am" turn.

Which brings us to the series started just today in the Washington Post.
Here's what the Post says about their reportage:

"The Washington Post releases “The Attack: Before, During and After,” an investigation of the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection and its aftermath

The three-part immersive series examines Jan. 6 and its fallout through audio, video, photography and revelatory new reporting.​

By WashPostPR
Yesterday at 12:16 p.m. EDT

"The Washington Post today released a three-part investigation into the forces that led to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and the growing distrust in America’s elections that has spread in its aftermath. “The Attack: Before, During and After” reveals through new reporting how law enforcement officials failed to heed warnings of impending violence in Washington, documents the bloody consequences of President Donald Trump’s inaction during the siege and shows how a deep distrust of the voting process has taken root across the country.

“An event of the magnitude of the Capitol attack demands deep and revelatory reporting,” said Matea Gold, national political enterprise and investigations editor. “This newsroom-wide collaboration provides our readers with a definitive account of Jan. 6 and its lasting impact on American democracy.”
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