Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

[initforme]

Are you doing that?

Nope im perfectly fine where its at, in the states.

 

[Chuz Life]

Nope im perfectly fine where its at, in the states.

Relevance to the OP?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Is that all you got, Mr. Scott?

Dred Scott?

You simply do not understand how the court system works. Just chalk it up to your ignorance and move on.

Dred Scott applied to multiple states. There can be no state abortion law that can be overturned in multiple states. It's common sense. If you think your state abortion law violates the state Constitution, you can appeal to your state's Supreme Court and no further. SCOTUS decided there is nothing in the US Constitution that allows for any federal laws regarding the abortion.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Relevance to the OP?

Your OP was dead the instant you deflected and you made it about personal feelings instead of the law.

 

[Chuz Life]

Your OP is dead when you made it about personal feelings instead of the law.

Opinion noted and dismissed.

The OP is about whether or not legalized elective abortion has a net effect on society's perception (not only my own) about the value of human life.

Do you know what an abortion is?

Literally?

Can you put it into words without denying that it is the taking of a human life?

Here's a hint about where this is leading too. . . "How much value is being placed on, or in respect to Human Lives that are being taken with abortions?

 

[initforme]

Nope im perfectly fine where its at, in the states.

The voters i. Each state get to decide regardless of how you feel about it. The majority of americans still support it in some aspects regardless of the op

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Opinion noted and dismissed.

The OP is about whether or not legalized elective abortion has a net effect on society's perception (not only my own) about the value of human life.

Do you know what an abortion is?

Literally?

Can you put it into words without denying that it is the taking of a human life?

Here's a hint about where this is leading too. . . "How much value is being placed on or respect in the Human Lives that are being taken with abortions?

Where did you gather that I disagreed with your premise in the first place? I merely pointed out that your entire OP is misplaced thinking, a waste of time, and much ado about nothing. I also pointed out your errors concerning abortion laws.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The voters i. Each state get to decide regardless of how you feel about it. The majority of americans still support it in some aspects regardless of the op

Why are you agreeing with him but framing it as though he said something wrong?

 

[Chuz Life]

Where did you gather that I disagreed with your premise in the first place? I merely pointed out that your entire OP is misplaced thinking, a waste of time, and much ado about nothing. I also pointed out your errors concerning abortion laws.

Who is forcing you to expose your pettiness in this manner?

It's a thread with a poll.

Only time will tell the full story on when and where the abortion issue goes with regard to the SCOTUS and I doubt that either of us will be here to see how it ultimately ends.

 

[Midnight FM]

It goes without saying that the only, inevitable result of making life cheap by making it a public institution to abort children on a factor assembly line like so much unwanted hair at a barber is to cheapen and devalue life.

How could abortion do anything else?

Doesn't matter, because biological life doesn't have value. Consciousness does. When we say that an individual is a "human life", we're talking about their consciousness, not the "biological organism" which their consciousness inhabits.

So having an abortion prior to the development of a brain is perfectly fine. For any reason one wants to.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Explain how arbitrarily, electively taking one human life serves to elevate another and how that is a net gain for society.

Easily, the ticket out of third and second world status is the empowerment of women, especially over their own reproductive rights. You teed up a softball, there.

And rational, ethical people value the life of a fully formed woman over that of the fetus in her belly. If not for the cloudy piss that is religion, we wouldn't even have to have this discussion.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Easily, the ticket out of third and second world status is the empowerment of women, especially over their own reproductive rights. You teed up a softball, there.

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"Reproductive rights" used to mean a woman could choose to avoid getting pregnant in the first place, until she wanted to start a family.

Did leftist women just get stupid about the mechanics of how to do this?




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[Midnight FM]

Easily, the ticket out of third and second world status is the empowerment of women, especially over their own reproductive rights. You teed up a softball, there.

And rational, ethical people value the life of a fully formed woman over that of the fetus in her belly.

No, it depends on whether or not the fetus has its own separate, individual consciousness.

Abortion to save the mother's life isn't the only issue on the table.

If not for the cloudy piss that is religion, we wouldn't even have to have this discussion.

Oh bullshit, next you're going to say that the only reason that it's a crime to murder people or steal their property is because of "religion". I don't think you know what that is.

 

[Chuz Life]

Easily, the ticket out of third and second world status is the empowerment of women, especially over their own reproductive rights. You teed up a softball, there.

And rational, ethical people value the life of a fully formed woman over that of the fetus in her belly. If not for the cloudy piss that is religion, we wouldn't even have to have this discussion.

Thanks for reaffirming my conclusions.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, it depends on whether or not the fetus has its own separate, individual consciousness.

It does not, because that still doesn't make the fetus's life or quality of life more important than the fully formed adult in which it resides.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Thanks for reaffirming my conclusions.

Tapout accepted

Easiest win of the day

 

[JoeB131]

Do you agree that legalized abortion has an effect of devaluing life in a society that sees abortions as anything less than a violation of the basic human rights of the children that are denied and killed?

Here is a link to a news story that I feel illustrates the point very well.

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Feel free to provide other examples and discuss (Zone 1 style.)

This guy looked like he was going to be a loser, regardless. Even looking at that picture, he's clearly got drug issues.

Again, her body, her choice.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It does not, because that still doesn't make the fetus's life or quality of life more important than the fully formed adult in which it resides.

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It is, when the responsible party had every means at her disposal to keep the situation from happening in the first place.




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[JoeB131]

From: The 1916 silent film Where Are My Children?
"was the first U.S. film to portray abortion onscreen, depicting both the pro-eugenicist and anti-abortion sentiments frequently found in discussions of family planning at the time. The film follows Richard Walton, a district attorney, and his wife Edith. While Richard prosecutes doctors for obscenity for promoting birth control, Edith is secretly obtaining abortions so that pregnancy and children won't interfere with her socialite lifestyle. Edith also encourages other women to get abortions, including her maid's young daughter, who dramatically dies from a botched abortion. When Richard discovers this, he accuses Edith and her friends of manslaughter. The film ends with Edith and Richard confronting future loneliness, deprived of the children they could have had."

i think you are taking the wrong lesson from that film.

The point was, in 1916, abortion was illegal, but women had no problem getting them if they wanted them.

Even though in the bad old days before antibiotics, abortion was a far more dangerous proposition than it is now, where it can be carried out with a pill, no muss, no fuss.

Instead of trying to outlaw abortions, you should be trying to 1) give pregnant women alternatives and 2) preventing unwanted pregnancy through education.

 

[Chuz Life]

This guy looked like he was going to be a loser, regardless. Even looking at that picture, he's clearly got drug issues.

Again, her body, her choice.