Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

[JoeB131]

Nobody else is obligated to see the overturning of Roe (kicking it back to the States) as the end of it. Just because you have that expectation.

That may be your belief or understanding, but it isn't realistic and it's not going to play out that way.

In fact a lot of pro-aborts disagree with you too and they are lobbying to get Roe reinstated.

If they manage to get the majority and the power to do so, you can bet they will try.

I think the biggest mistake Democrats made was not codifying Roe into the Federal Register when they had the chance.

That's something they can fix in 2028, though. Hopefully after the MAGA clown show is run out town on a rail.

 

[JoeB131]

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I explained this to you mulitple times.

if the fetus isn't viable, they don't have a right to someone else's body.

Her body, her choice.

 

[Chuz Life]

I think the biggest mistake Democrats made was not codifying Roe into the Federal Register when they had the chance.

That's something they can fix in 2028, though. Hopefully after the MAGA clown show is run out town on a rail.

Admiral Rockwell Tory

See this?

 

[Chuz Life]

I explained this to you mulitple times.

if the fetus isn't viable, they don't have a right to someone else's body.

Her body, her choice.

That doesn't answer the question.

It dodges it.

 

[Midnight FM]

It does not, because that still doesn't make the fetus's life or quality of life more important than the fully formed adult in which it resides.

Yes it does. Having a brain and consciousness indeed makes the adult's life more important than the zygote.

 

[Midnight FM]

I explained this to you mulitple times.

if the fetus isn't viable, they don't have a right to someone else's body.

Her body, her choice.

Saying that doesn't make it true. "Viability" is just an arbitrary criteria, and nobody has to agree with it.

 

[Chuz Life]

Yes it does. Having a brain and consciousness indeed makes the adult's life more important than the zygote.

Devaluation detected.

 

[JoeB131]

That doesn't answer the question.

It dodges it.

Nope, not at all.

The problem with your argument that Globby the Fetus is a person is that person has more rights than the women it's inside.

So you can't mandate taking away her rights to support something that might turn into a person in nine months.

Now, of course, if she wants a baby, the woman gladly gives up her body for that time period and endures all the medical consequences thereof (bone loss, weight gain, etc.)

 

[JoeB131]

Saying that doesn't make it true. "Viability" is just an arbitrary criteria, and nobody has to agree with it.

Actually, it's a pragmatic matter.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

 

[Chuz Life]

Actually, it's a pragmatic matter.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

Devaluation confirmed!

 

[JoeB131]

Devaluation confirmed!

No one ever considered a glob to be the same as a woman, ever.

Even when Abortion was illegal, no one was charged with murder for performing them.

 

[Midnight FM]

Actually, it's a pragmatic matter.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

I'm not sure what your point is.

If a person wants to hire a hitman to murder their spouse, they can find a way to do it even if it is illegal. That doesn't mean it should be legal.

 

[Midnight FM]

No one ever considered a glob to be the same as a woman, ever.

Even when Abortion was illegal, no one was charged with murder for performing them.

At the point that the fetus develops a brain and its own separate consciousness, I would consider it having rights.

A zygote? No.

 

[Chuz Life]

Nope, not at all.

The problem with your argument that Globby the Fetus is a person is that person has more rights than the women it's inside.

So you can't mandate taking away her rights to support something that might turn into a person in nine months.

Now, of course, if she wants a baby, the woman gladly gives up her body for that time period and endures all the medical consequences thereof (bone loss, weight gain, etc.)

Does an abortion end a human life?

Yes or no?

(hint: it does)

Thereby, do abortions exhibit a net increase or decrease in the value of the human lives that are dismissed, denied, and killed by those who agree with YOU and decide to not only share your denials but to act on those denials?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes it does.

No. Clearly the life and well-being of the woman should receive more consideration than that of a fetus. The woman is sentient and has a lifetime of memories and social ties and people that depend on her. The fetus has none of these things and therefore deserves less consideration than she does.

Now let's hear your argument as to why a fetus deserves more consideration than its mother. Why a pregnancy that may kill the mother should not end in abortion, so that the fetus lives. Start there.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

At the point that the fetus develops a brain and its own separate consciousness, I would consider it having rights.

Any coward can say that.

It takes courage to actually draw the line in the sand, though. And make no mistake, that line does have to be drawn. What we are seeing today is the last gasp of a religious faction that will be obsolete and will have much less political power,within a generation or two. And that line will have to be drawn, as it was in 1973, at 20 weeks.

 

[Midnight FM]

False clearly the life and well-being of the woman should receive more consideration than that of a fetus. The woman is sentient and has a lifetime of memories and social ties and people that depend on her. The fetus has none of these things and therefore deserves less consideration than she does.

The same is true about a baby.

So no.

Now let's hear your argument as to why a fetus deserves more consideration than its mother.

I'd say they deserve equal consideration.

So, naturally, unless the mother's life is threatened, the fetus has rights when it develops its own brain and consciousness.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Does an abortion end a human life?

Yes or no?

(hint: it does)

Thereby, do abortions exhibit a net increase or decrease in the value of the human lives that are dismissed, denied, and killed by those who agree with YOU and decide to not only share your denials but to act on those denials?

Haha, such a bizarre argument. "Net increase or decrease."

Like, who gives a **** about such a concept, when making a decision about an individual? If you have to reach that far to have anything to say, you dont have anything to say.

And I can guarantee for shit sure this fake altruism ends the moment the baby is born.

 

[Chuz Life]

No one ever considered a glob to be the same as a woman, ever.

Even when Abortion was illegal, no one was charged with murder for performing them.

Devalued lives. . . .

What have I been saying?

 

[Midnight FM]

Any coward can say that.

It takes courage to actually draw the line in the sand, though. And make no mistake, that line does have to be drawn. What we are seeing today is the last gasp of a religious faction that will be obsolete and will have much less political power,within a generation or two.

Oh please.

"Thou shalt not kill" has been around for thousands of years, and it's still illegal to murder people.

Maybe a murderer thinks that's "forcing religion on him", but who cares, honestly?

And that line will have to be drawn, as it was in 1973, at 20 weeks.

I'd say 5 weeks or a heartbeat is good enough. And as science improves, and more of the public is aware of the different stages of fetal development and what abortion entails, I believe this will influence public opinion.