Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

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No. Of course not. We are focused on competing rights between a woman and a life inside her body involving a Catholic point of view on your part that sanctity of life begins at conception wherein sanctity of life implies the fetus and the woman have an equal right to life.

If you are abandoning “sanctity of life” rights for the fetus then there is no debate as I said. The fetus and the mother are not competing for rights because you accept the fetus has no protection from being killed by its mother.




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But you did say that. You said, “Your argument that a fetus has rights equal to its mother is dead.”

 

[JoeB131]

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Again, if you are too stupid to think up your own responses, and have to use MechaHitler, no one should take you seriously.

 

[JoeB131]

Question for pro-aborts. "Would you have encouraged your mother to abort you?'

I wouldn't "encourage" any woman to get an abortion. In fact, quite the contrary, I would favor policies that would help women who want to have babies they otherwise can't afford. - Universal health care, paid family leave. I would also favor policies to avoid unwanted pregnancies to start with- More sex education, more contraception, etc.

What I wouldn't do is try to outlaw abortion, because outlawing something that people want isn't going to stop this. This is the lesson we SHOULD have learned from Prohibition. It's the lesson we haven't learned in 50 years of the War On Drugs.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

But you did say that. You said, “Your argument that a fetus has rights equal to its mother is dead.”

is your argument that a fetus does not have rights equal to the mother?

If so, there is no argument if there is no argument, there is no debate as I have said

Do you even know what your argument is?

 

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is your argument that a fetus does not have rights equal to the mother?

If so, there is no argument if there is no argument, there is no debate as I have said

Do you even know what your argument is?

My argument is that each have rights and that they are competing rights. It’s up to each state to decide how to weigh them.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

My argument is that each have rights and that they are competing rights. It’s up to each state to decide how to weigh them.

your argument is that the fetus does not have a right to life so therefore the fetus is not competing with its potential birth mother for any right to live.

The right to live for the fetus that’s not what the states are deciding anyways.

They are just banning a medical procedure in the states and now they’re trying to ban mail order pharmaceuticals that kill the fetus.

Starting with your Catholicism and working backwards to find the truth has you twistiyour mind into a knot.

You have to give up the Catholic notion that sanctity of living of life begins at conceotion or accept the social norm that the sanctity of life begins at birth, unless the woman intends to go full term with her pregnancy.

I know that’s confusing for catholic brains but sorry that’s the truth

 

[Chuz Life]

Again, if you are too stupid to think up your own responses, and have to use MechaHitler, no one should take you seriously.

I told Grok what my argument was, and it supported my argument.

All the other AIs would do the same.

 

[JoeB131]

I told Grok what my argument was, and it supported my argument.

All the other AIs would do the same.

You mean an AI tells you what you want to hear?

Color me surprised.

"See, see, MechaHitler agreed with me!!!"

 

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your argument is that the fetus does not have a right to life so therefore the fetus is not competing with its potential birth mother for any right to live.

The right to live for the fetus that’s not what the states are deciding anyways.

They are just banning a medical procedure in the states and now they’re trying to ban mail order pharmaceuticals that kill the fetus.

Starting with your Catholicism and working backwards to find the truth has you twistiyour mind into a knot.

You have to give up the Catholic notion that sanctity of living of life begins at conceotion or accept the social norm that the sanctity of life begins at birth, unless the woman intends to go full term with her pregnancy.

I know that’s confusing for catholic brains but sorry that’s the truth

Given the complexity of the issue, I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Given the complexity of the issue, I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor.

why do you petition for a government to deprive a woman of liberty on the basis of “complexity of an issue”?

Should not the government be neutral in the case of “complexity”?

Ultimately you are citing complexity of the issue because a woman who gets an abortion violates your religious beliefs about concerning your worldview beliefs that America was founded as a Christian nation. And belief that there can be no civilization without Christianity.

Your worldview is a irrational and a mess on the verifiable facts of history as well as science

 

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why do you petition for a government to deprive a woman of liberty on the basis of “complexity of an issue”?

Should not the government be neutral in the case of “complexity”?


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Ultimately you are citing complexity of the issue because a woman who gets an abortion violates your religious beliefs about concerning your worldview beliefs that America was founded as a Christian nation. And belief that there can be no civilization without Christianity.

Your worldview is a irrational and a mess on the verifiable facts of history as well as science

Given the complexity of the issue, I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Given the complexity of the issue, I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor

If you are going to deprive a person of their liberty through the power of arrest and punishment invested in the government you and the state must show how a pregnant woman who has an abortion in the privacy of her own home causes you for the state or the society harm you have not done so

 

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Class C misdemeanors don’t come with jail time.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Class C misdemeanors don’t come with jail time.

your victim will be arrested. The only reason you’re doing it is because you are cruel and self-righteous.

 

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your victim will be arrested. The only reason you’re doing it is because you are cruel and self-righteous.

Why would they get arrested? Do you get arrested for speeding tickets?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Why would they get arrested? Do you get arrested for speeding tickets?

Yes, you are arrested in the sense that your freedom has been restricted until you pay the fine or plead not guilty and win. There are other forms of arrest rather than being taken into custody and fingerprinted, and required to sit in jail or postponed until a trial date.

My point is that you are restricting the freedom of women when they get pregnant because you are a cruel person and want to shame them.

Getting a speeding ticket can cause harm to the public if you are not penalized for violating a civil law. A woman terminating her own. Pregnancy is no harm to the public. You are so self-righteous and self-centered that you cannot see the difference.

You have a lot in common with his white Christian nationalist Republican in your cruelty to women when they get pregnant

Getting a speeding ticket initiates a legal process under the court's jurisdiction, but your freedom remains largely unrestricted unless and until you fail to meet your obligations related to the ticket, potentially resulting in further legal action, according to The Botnick Law Firm, LLC.

 

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Yes, you are arrested in the sense that your freedom has been restricted until you pay the fine or plead not guilty and win. There are other forms of arrest rather than being taken into custody and fingerprinted, and required to sit in jail or postponed until a trial date.

My point is that you are restricting the freedom of women when they get pregnant because you are a cruel person and want to shame them.

Getting a speeding ticket can cause harm to the public if you are not penalized for violating a civil law. A woman terminating her own. Pregnancy is no harm to the public. You are so self-righteous and self-centered that you cannot see the difference.

You have a lot in common with his white Christian nationalist Republican in your cruelty to women when they get pregnant

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Getting a speeding ticket initiates a legal process under the court's jurisdiction, but your freedom remains largely unrestricted unless and until you fail to meet your obligations related to the ticket, potentially resulting in further legal action, according to The Botnick Law Firm, LLC.

I think you are being entirely unreasonable. Which was exactly what I hoped to show.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I think you are being entirely unreasonable. Which was exactly what I hoped to show.

speeding can be harmful to the general public. If a driver loses control on a curve and slams head on into your car and kills you that is pretty harmful. We restrict the liberty of drivers who speed.

Terminating one’s own pregnancy is not harmful to the general public if a woman terminates her own pregnancy in the privacy of her own home or in a medical facility, There is no harm that can come to you. Zero harm comes to you Saint Ding. You are doing this to shame women.

You do not have the right to restrict the liberty of a woman for doing something that does you no harm. Therefore you are a self righteous, cruel human being? And you cannot dismiss that fact. So you run.

 

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speeding can be harmful to the general public. If a driver loses control on a curve and slams head on into your car and kills you that is pretty harmful. We restrict the liberty of drivers who speed.

Terminating one’s own pregnancy is not harmful to the general public if a woman terminates her own pregnancy and the privacy of our own home or in a medical facility there is no harm that can come to you. Zero harm comes to you same thing.

You do not have the right to restrict the liberty of a woman for doing something that does you no harm you are a self righteous, cruel human being? And you cannot dismiss that fact. So you run.

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Only a diehard zealot would object to a speeding ticket punishment for abortion.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Only a diehard zealot would object to a speeding ticket punishment for abortion.

It is truly a religious Catholic zealot who would restrict the liberty of a woman by banning a safe medical procedure when that woman is committing, no harm to the zealot Catholics or the public at large when she terminates her pregnancy in the privacy of her own home or in a medical facility.

You are the only zealot in this story Saint Ding.

I am not for restricting liberty of persons who do no harm, cause no harm and do not step on my rights or the rights of all awarding citizens.

You are a catholic fanatic Saint Ding; you should be ashamed of yourself for proposing that the government should restrict liberty when a person does you no harm