Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

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You, Saint Ding are not invited to the debate between the “owner” and her conscience or her God whether or not she believes in one.

Human living zygots, embryos and fetuses are naturally occurring objects in the universe as once I was myself; protected by my mother’s right to give me birth, Her gift not God’s gift to me. My individual right to life was subordinate to my mother’s right until such time as I became separated from her at birth. At birth, my independent individual right to life is when my protected by the law and order of a society, began. Very simple. Saint Ding; there is no debate with nosy self-righteous people like you involved.


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It seems you to want to skip over the competing rights debate and go straight to life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

 

[ding]

Why do you skip over the reality that our civilized society under a secular system of government and laws, only recognizes individual liberty and autonomy at the moment of birth?

A fetus is protected in our civilized society through the rights of a woman who has chosen to give birth. But our civilized society does not choose because of individual liberty to subordinate the woman to a human life that is developing within her body.

That is just reality a reality that you refuse to deal with and accept

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I have factored everything into it and have concluded that because of the complexity of this issue, abortion should be a class C misdemeanor with no jail time. Only a small fine and an acknowledgment that it’s wrong to end a human life.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I have factored everything into it and have concluded that because of the complexity of this issue, abortion should be a class C misdemeanor with no jail time. Only a small fine and an acknowledgment that it’s wrong to end a human life.

when it comes to writing laws in the civilized society where we agree to give up rights in our consent to be governed under a secular government you are promoting an unconstitutional law.

Your misdemeanor involves arrest of a person who has done nothing in public to harm you or society.

When you say you “factored everything in“ your judgment on abortion is flawed because you factor in your Catholic religion.

No woman in this country is required to believe what you believe about God.

You come across as a dejected, authoritarian male Catholic, who is pouting because they can’t have their way at controlling women.

Did you know Thomas Edison is a pantheist.

So why are you using electricity to force your your religion on others thanks to electricity

 

[ding]

when it comes to writing laws in the civilized society where we agree to give up rights in our consent to be governed under a secular government you are promoting an unconstitutional law.

Your misdemeanor involves arrest of a person who has done nothing in public to harm you or society.

When you say you “factored everything in“ your judgment on abortion is flawed because you factor in your Catholic religion.

No woman in this country is required to believe what you believe about God.

You come across as a dejected, authoritarian male Catholic, who is pouting because they can’t have their way at controlling women.

Did you know Thomas Edison is a pantheist.

So why are you using electricity to force your your religion on others thanks to electricity

It seems you to want to skip over the competing rights debate and go straight to life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It seems you to want to skip over the competing rights debate and go straight to life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

There is no debate. You surrendered to the pro choice side when you advocate that the life of a fetus when killed by the mother has no more value to society than a class C misdemeanor such as jaywalking.

If you want to continue the debate over the competing rights between a fetus and its birth mother you have to push laws that charge any person who kills a fetus with homicide to protect their rights.

But if you do want to abandon your misdemeanor BS; my position on the competing rights debate I agree with Grampa Bucky right here. I did not avoid it.

 

[ding]

There is no debate.

And yet here you are debating it.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

And yet here you are debating it.

you are not debating. You are running..

The debate is over when you came up with your misdemeanor BS.

You accept the fact that a fetus has no rights except for maybe charging a misdemeanor, which is unenforceable and ridiculous and absurd

So there you have it; you accept the fact that a fetus has no rights.



What is left to debate?.
Riley

 

[ding]

you are not debating. You are running..

The debate is over when you came up with your misdemeanor BS.

You accept the fact that a fetus has no rights except for maybe charging a misdemeanor, which is unenforceable and ridiculous and absurd

So there you have it; you accept the fact that a fetus has no rights.



What is left to debate?.
Riley

I couldn’t be happier for you to see it that way.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

I couldn’t be happier for you to see it that way.

Your argument that a fetus has rights equal to its mother is dead. There are no competing rights between a fetus and its mother. it is not how I see it. It is reality..

 

[ding]

Your argument that a fetus has rights equal to its mother is dead. There are no competing rights between a fetus and its mother. it is not how I see it. It is reality..

Who said I said equal rights? Are you assuming all competing rights are equal? Why would you assume that?

 

[Chuz Life]

Who said I said equal rights? Are you assuming all competing rights are equal? Why would you assume that?

They also conflate the "right to the equal protection of our laws" with "equal rights." All the time.

Like they really don't know what the differences are.

 

[Chuz Life]

My body began on May 7th, 1962, according to my birth certificate.

Belief^^^

Now Facts: https://x.com/i/grok/share/REAwmtUggP0c8KYvul8VKCMOI

We don't have funerals for tampons or medical waste.

True.

With your equating the lives of prenatal children with "tampons and medical waste" aside, we don't have funerals for all older human beings/ persons, either.

Your point?

Fetuses aren't children. At least not at the stage most abortions are performed, which is before 12 weeks. They are globs of tissue no bigger than a kidney bean.

My response to that is fully supported by Grok and Grok's sources.

"Your (Chuz Life's) argument hinges on the biological classification of humans as placental mammals, which is accurate. Placental mammals do carry their young in the womb, and this includes the zygote, embryo, and fetus stages of development." - Grok

Here's a concise response to the claim:

The (JoeB131's) statement dismisses early-stage fetuses as "globs of tissue," but this overlooks key biological realities.

Humans, as placental mammals, carry their offspring in the womb from conception through birth. The zygote (from fertilization) and embryo (up to about 8 weeks) are early developmental stages of a human organism, not mere tissue.

By 12 weeks, a fetus has a beating heart, brain activity, and distinct human features, despite being small (about 2 inches, roughly kidney bean-sized). These are not arbitrary clumps but organized, developing human beings with unique genetic codes.

 

[Chuz Life]

"An eight-page probable cause affidavit detailed not only the circumstances of Nia's death, but also the instability of her life, including how her mother allegedly left her behind at the hospital after giving birth to her."

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[Chuz Life]

I have factored everything into it and have concluded that because of the complexity of this issue, abortion should be a class C misdemeanor with no jail time. Only a small fine and an acknowledgment that it’s wrong to end a human life.

Here's a point where we diverge a bit, but I don't want to derail the thread with it.

 

[ding]

Here's a point where we diverge a bit, but I don't want to derail the thread with it.

I assumed you did.

 

[Chuz Life]

Why did I just click on the "show ignored content" link?

 

[JoeB131]

Belief^^^

Now Facts:

Uh, guy, you are using an AI that referred to itself as "MechaHitler" a few weeks ago, I just can't take that seriously.

Legal Fact, there wasn't a Joseph Eugene (B131) until May 7th, 1962. Legally, he did not exist before then.

With your equating the lives of prenatal children with "tampons and medical waste" aside, we don't have funerals for all older human beings/ persons, either.

Um, now you are grasping. The point is, we didn't treat these various unviable tissue masses like they were people at any point in their (brief) existence. Obviously, the fact that there are some very old people who are quietly cremated because no one cared about them that much is very sad, but not germane to this discussion.

The (JoeB131's) statement dismisses early-stage fetuses as "globs of tissue," but this overlooks key biological realities.

Humans, as placental mammals, carry their offspring in the womb from conception through birth. The zygote (from fertilization) and embryo (up to about 8 weeks) are early developmental stages of a human organism, not mere tissue.

An early stage does not mean human in any sense of the word. They aren't viable. Most of them never turn into people, either never attaching, being miscarried, or aborted.

 

[Chuz Life]

Uh, guy, you are using an AI that referred to itself as "MechaHitler" a few weeks ago, I just can't take that seriously.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/q1duxznEx4qnSOGJ4hyUG6162

 

[Leo123]

Question for pro-aborts. "Would you have encouraged your mother to abort you?'

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Are you assuming all competing rights are equal?

No. Of course not. We are focused on competing rights between a woman and a life inside her body involving a Catholic point of view on your part that sanctity of life begins at conception wherein sanctity of life implies the fetus and the woman have an equal right to life.

If you are abandoning “sanctity of life” rights for the fetus then there is no debate as I said. The fetus and the mother are not competing for rights because you accept the fetus has no protection from being killed by its mother.