Zone1 Let it be said that legalized abortion on demand cheapens/ devalues life.

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It is truly a religious Catholic zealot who would restrict the liberty of a woman by banning a safe medical procedure when that woman is committing, no harm to the zealot Catholics or the public at large when she terminates her pregnancy in the privacy of her own home or in a medical facility.

You are the only zealot in this story Saint Ding.

I am not for restricting liberty of persons who do no harm, cause no harm and do not step on my rights or the rights of all awarding citizens.

You are a catholic fanatic Saint Ding; you should be ashamed of yourself for proposing that the government should restrict liberty when a person does you no harmView attachment 1147784

It’s a speeding ticket punishment.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It’s a speeding ticket punishment.

I know that. You are restricting the freedom of a woman when she has done nothing that can harm the public. Why are you doing that?

 

[Dragonlady]

Do you agree that legalized abortion has an effect of devaluing life in a society that sees abortions as anything less than a violation of the basic human rights of the children that are denied and killed?

Here is a link to a news story that I feel illustrates the point very well.

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Feel free to provide other examples and discuss (Zone 1 style.)

This story had NOTHING to do with the abortion debate whatsoever.

 

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I know that. You are restricting the freedom of a woman when she has done nothing that can harm the public. Why are you doing that?

Parking tickets.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Parking tickets.

Its not the mildness of your penalty.

It’s the fact that you are restricting individuals, freedom when there is no reason to do so

The major problem is that the Republican Party bans abortions in white Christian nationalist run states when there is no justify a reason to do so

 

[Chuz Life]

This story had NOTHING to do with the abortion debate whatsoever.

1. Does the story indicate a lack of value for life?

2. Is legalized abortion anywhere on the list of things that likely contributed to that lack of value?

 

[Chuz Life]

Given the complexity of the issue, I believe abortion should be a misdemeanor.

Should they be banned?

What should the doctors be charged with, if they do an illegal abortion?

 

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Its not the mildness of your penalty.

It’s the fact that you are restricting individuals, freedom when there is no reason to do so

The major problem is that the Republican Party bans abortions in white Christian nationalist run states when there is no justify a reason to do so

There’s no restriction whatsoever.

 

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Should they be banned?

What should the doctors be charged with, if they do an illegal abortion?

No and nothing happens to the doctor.

We shouldn’t condone it but we shouldn’t severely penalize them for it either. They will beat themselves up over it enough. We should give compassion not judgement.

 

[Chuz Life]

No and nothing happens to the doctor.

We shouldn’t condone it but we shouldn’t severely penalize them for it either. They will beat themselves up over it enough. We should give compassion not judgement.

So what about the 1st amendment right to speak, petition the government for redress, etc? What about existing laws on the books, fetal homicide laws, etc.? What about fathers who don't want their children aborted and seek laws to protect their children?

What about having consistency in our laws about when a person's life, right to protections, and when basic human rights begin?

 

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So what about the 1st amendment right to speak, petition the government for redress, etc? What about existing laws on the books, fetal homicide laws, etc.? What about fathers who don't want their children aborted and seek laws to protect their children?

What about having consistency in our laws about when a person's life, right to protections, and when basic human rights begin?

The federal government can write legislation.

 

[Chuz Life]

The federal government can write legislation.

Constitutional Muster?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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So what about the 1st amendment right to speak, petition the government for redress

what is your grievance against a woman who wants reasonable access to a safe legal abortion?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

There’s no restriction whatsoever.

Banning abortion is not a restriction? Are you even remotely connected to any kind of reality anymore?

 

[ding]

Constitutional Muster?

Shouldn’t be a problem.

 

[ding]

Banning abortion is not a restriction? Are you even remotely connected to any kind of reality anymore?

It’s not banning it. It’s like a parking ticket. No big deal.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It’s not banning it. It’s like a parking ticket. No big deal.

I am opposing both Your stupid misdemeanor law and republican states that ban abortion.

You replied to this

It’s the fact that you are restricting individuals, freedom when there is no reason to do so

The major problem is that the Republican Party bans abortions in white Christian nationalist run states when there is no justify a reason to do so

 

[Chuz Life]

Shouldn’t be a problem.

CDZ Thread 'A (US) discussion about Personhood and when it begins.'

Mar 27, 2016

Personhood is important and relevant to many debates because we are a nation governed by laws with the United States Constitution being the supreme law of the land and the constitutional basis for any other laws that are passed.

The word person is mentioned several times in our Constitution.

The 5th Amendment says; "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or...

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I am opposing both Your stupid misdemeanor law and republican states that ban abortion.

You replied to this

It’s the fact that you are restricting individuals, freedom when there is no reason to do so

The major problem is that the Republican Party bans abortions in white Christian nationalist run states when there is no justify a reason to do so

No restriction. Just parking tickets. No big deal.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Just parking tickets.

Apparently, many Catholics say it’s a very big deal to your Yahweh Saint Ding.