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Let's say a 350 lb Russian Judo Champion is walking down a New York City street any here's a young Asian girl screaming in a language he does not understand...
When he investigates he sees a man he could easily overpower lock eyes with him and then flee in a panic
Is he allowed to grab that individual and call the police while detaining him or does he have to let that man run away and try to figure out whether or not he was committing a crime before he detained him?
No.
An Asian girl screaming in a language the judo champ can't understand does not offer a sufficient basis for which to detain someone...
How about if our hero wasn't a big powerful man...
Let's say he was a feeble 100lb old man and he had a 9 mm pistol
Would it be legal for him to aim that weapon at the fleeing suspect and Order him to stand tall because the police were on their way?
No, again, because someone screaming in a language he does not understand does not offer a sufficient basis for which to detain someone...
What if the criminal ran toward him grabbed his gun and started punching him in the face?
And here's your fail.
You've identified the guy as a criminal when you have no reason to suspect that a crime has been committed. Therefore, introducing a firearm into the mix would be the initial aggressive action, thereby negating the ability of the person with the gun to claim self defense.
Secondly, the concept of escalation of force would dictate that the person with the gun try lesser measures to subdue the person. Again, though, that would only be if there was a reason to believe a crime had been committed and, in the scenario you've presented, that reason does not exist...
Imagine both these scenarios presented to a court of rational American citizens and tell me what you think they would say
Presented with the evidence you've presented here?
I believe a jury of rational Americans would find that the judo champ, or the guy with the gun, acted unreasonably and, as such, bears the full responsibility for how subsequent events transpire.
If you're going to be an idiot in the other thread, it figures that you'll be an idiot in this one, too...