Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[marvin martian]

AP Reporting:

Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in draft of Trump peace plan obtained by AP

President Donald Trump’s plan for ending the war in Ukraine would cede territory to Russia and limit the size of Kyiv’s military, according to a draft proposal obtained by The Associated Press.

apnews.com

Some highlights (or lowlights) from the article:

• For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO but would also prevent the alliance’s future expansion. Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat.
• Putin would also gain ground he has been unable to win on the battlefield. Under the draft, Moscow would hold all the eastern Donbas region, even though approximately 14% still remains in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine’s military, currently at roughly 880,000 troops, would be reduced to 600,000.
• Under the proposal, Russia would commit to making no future attacks, something the White House views as a concession.
• Russia would also be allowed to keep half of the power generated by Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia, which it captured from Ukraine early during the war.

There seems to be little in it for Ukraine or the US. One has to wonder on what planet such a plan ever saw the light of day.

Zelensky Under Siege as Corruption Case Shatters Ukraine’s Wartime Unity​

An anti-Zelensky political coalition is coalescing as the president’s allies are accused of enriching themselves while the country’s soldiers die on the battlefield.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/19/world/europe/ukraine-zelensky-corruption.html

 

[marvin martian]

Zelensky is the one I come closest to trusting in this fucked up group, so I'm good with whatever he decides.

^^^Totally not in a cult...

Zelensky Under Siege as Corruption Case Shatters Ukraine’s Wartime Unity​

An anti-Zelensky political coalition is coalescing as the president’s allies are accused of enriching themselves while the country’s soldiers die on the battlefield.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/19/world/europe/ukraine-zelensky-corruption.html

 

[Eman623]

Ukraine formally agrees to this and Ukraine will continue terroristic attacks immediately after signing as it was with both Minsk agreements.

Terroristic? That's not even a word and your gaslighting has been noted, comrade.

 

[kyzr]

China
South Korea
North Korea
Israel
Germany
Italy
Belgium
France
UK
Brazil
Poland
Russia
Iran
(India is trying but they still suck).

Go for it. Buy from whoever you prefer. That is capitalism. The US knows how to keep customers happy.

 

[Eman623]

Propaganda.

Russia warned for decades not to put Ukraine in NATO. Putin did nothing for ten years after the Nuland coup, which lead to thousands of Ukrainian Russians being killed in the Donbas. Then he proceeded to cautiously attack Ukraine, careful not to proceed to quickly or destroy too much of Ukraine, when he could have leveled Kiev.

Think. Stop believing western propaganda like candycorn

Cautiously? Putin launched a full scale two-pronged invasion with the goal of conquering Ukraine and swallowing it into Russia.

It was only his and his generals' own ineptitude that it failed.

I'm getting light-headed from all the gaslighting here. Someone open a window and don't light a match!

 

[kyzr]

Remember when NATO promised and pinky swore to Russia that we would NEVER expand eastward?

"not 1 inch eastward" said James Baker

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

 

[kyzr]

There is no such thing as "endless slaughter". This slaughter will be finished when all Ukronazies are dead or left Ukraine.

There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Hitler is dead 70 years. But there is a slaughter, we don't know yet if it will be "endless".

You hoping for more war or a peace deal?

 

[marvin martian]

There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Hitler is dead 70 years. But there is a slaughter, we don't know yet if it will be "endless".

You hoping for more war or a peace deal?

That's not true, sadly. There's a large neo-Nazi contingent in both the Ukrainian government, and their military.

The media used to report on it, until they became full-time cheerleaders for Joe Biden's war.

Opinion | Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

Not acknowledging this threat means that little is being done to guard against it.

www.nbcnews.com

The dangers of ignoring Ukraine’s neo-Nazis - The Tufts Daily

The independent student newspaper of Tufts University

www.tuftsdaily.com

Client Challenge

 

[LordBrownTrout]

AP Reporting:

Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in draft of Trump peace plan obtained by AP

President Donald Trump’s plan for ending the war in Ukraine would cede territory to Russia and limit the size of Kyiv’s military, according to a draft proposal obtained by The Associated Press.

apnews.com

Some highlights (or lowlights) from the article:

• For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO but would also prevent the alliance’s future expansion. Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat.
• Putin would also gain ground he has been unable to win on the battlefield. Under the draft, Moscow would hold all the eastern Donbas region, even though approximately 14% still remains in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine’s military, currently at roughly 880,000 troops, would be reduced to 600,000.
• Under the proposal, Russia would commit to making no future attacks, something the White House views as a concession.
• Russia would also be allowed to keep half of the power generated by Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia, which it captured from Ukraine early during the war.

There seems to be little in it for Ukraine or the US. One has to wonder on what planet such a plan ever saw the light of day.

Do you want the war to go on forever?

 

[kyzr]

That's not true, sadly. There's a large neo-Nazi contingent in both the Ukrainian government, and their military.

The media used to report on it, until they became full-time cheerleaders for Joe Biden's war.

They may call themselves Nazis, but they are actually the Azov Battalion.
Your basic white supremacists.
Not a threat to Russia, although they may be "ultra-nationalists" who won't put up with foreign interference in Ukraine.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Go for it. Buy from whoever you prefer. That is capitalism. The US knows how to keep customers happy.

Evidently they do, Trump doesn't.

 

[rightwinger]

Surrender Monkey Trump gives Putin everything he wants

All occupied territory including territory Ukraine occupies

Decreased Ukraine military strength

No NATO membership

No NATO support in Ukraine

Lifting of all sanctions

 

[kyzr]

Zelensky Under Siege as Corruption Case Shatters Ukraine’s Wartime Unity​

An anti-Zelensky political coalition is coalescing as the president’s allies are accused of enriching themselves while the country’s soldiers die on the battlefield.

Looks like the EU may be stepping in to manage the war in Ukraine? Wonder if they have an alternate peace plan?

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615184/the-eu-indicates-it-wont-accept-the-u-s-s-russia-ukraine-peace-deal

EU opposes Trump peace deal for Ukraine

 

[kyzr]

Surrender Monkey Trump gives Putin everything he wants
All occupied territory including territory Ukraine occupies
Decreased Ukraine military strength
No NATO membership
No NATO support in Ukraine
Lifting of all sanctions

The EU doesn't like it either. Fine, let them handle the war and peace. Trump has bigger fish to fry.

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615184/the-eu-indicates-it-wont-accept-the-u-s-s-russia-ukraine-peace-deal

 

[rightwinger]

The EU doesn't like it either. Fine, let them handle the war and peace. Trump has bigger fish to fry.

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615184/the-eu-indicates-it-wont-accept-the-u-s-s-russia-ukraine-peace-deal

Trump only cares about a Nobel Prize
He will sell out Ukraine to get one

 

[kyzr]

Evidently they do, Trump doesn't.

Why do you say that? If he doesn't want to give out military secrets that is a good thing.
I remember when we gave sophisticated equipment to Israel, and they sold it to China.

 

[kyzr]

Trump only cares about a Nobel Prize
He will sell out Ukraine to get one

Putin is playing hardball. Ukraine borders Russia. Ukraine either takes the deal or keeps the war.
The EU may be stepping up to help Ukraine, we'll see.

 

[rightwinger]

Putin is playing hardball. Ukraine borders Russia. Ukraine either takes the deal or keeps the war.
The EU may be stepping up to help Ukraine, we'll see.

Putin knows Trump will not stand up to him

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"not 1 inch eastward" said James Baker

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard | National Security Archive

Western leaders gave multiple assurances against NATO expansion to Gorbachev in 1990-1991 according to declassified American, Russian, British, Germans documents

nsarchive.gwu.edu

Yeah

How’d that work out?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Putin knows Trump will not stand up to him

Biden gave Putin the go ahead for the invasion