Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[Toddsterpatriot]

If Russian people in Kharkov, Nikolayev and Odessa want to rejoin Russian Federation, Kievan regime should allow them to peacefully vote pro or contra. They are human beings and have human rights. They are not anyone's property.

And if non-Russian people want to secede from Russia, they should be allowed the peacefully vote pro or contra.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ukraine puts them right on Russia's border!

OMG!
Poor Russia never did nuthin' to nobody.
Everybody picks on Russia for no reason.

 

[gipper]

Ukraine agrees to this and Russia will be back in a year to start more killing, destruction and suffering.

Propaganda.

Russia warned for decades not to put Ukraine in NATO. Putin did nothing for ten years after the Nuland coup, which lead to thousands of Ukrainian Russians being killed in the Donbas. Then he proceeded to cautiously attack Ukraine, careful not to proceed to quickly or destroy too much of Ukraine, when he could have leveled Kiev.

Think. Stop believing western propaganda like candycorn

 

[kyzr]

And what happened after they tried to appease Hitler?
C’mon Neville..let us know what Vlad...err I mean Adolph did shortly after he got “everything he wanted”.

Stupid comparison. Hitler was going to invade Poland and France no matter what Nevil Chamberlain did.

Better question: What happened to the British and French armies when they tried to stop Hitler?

Might makes right, always has always will.

 

[gipper]

OMG!
Poor Russia never did nuthin' to nobody.
Everybody picks on Russia for no reason.

How is it you’re so dumb?

 

[gipper]

AI says the following, there are several links in google or bing to choose from.

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Lol. Not a chance.

 

[Zavulon]

And if non-Russian people want to secede from Russia, they should be allowed the peacefully vote pro or contra.

It was exactly what happened back in 1991. If they are not hostile - they can live by themselves.

 

[kyzr]

That is always the option...someone puts a gun in your face and demands your wallet on Tuesday, you give it to him right?
The same guy does it again on Wednesday and takes both your money clip (you’ve already lost your wallet) and your wristwatch....
You didn’t get shot but at least you got what you wanted...peace!

Your fictional situations don't prove anything about Ukraine.
There is no solution that precludes Putin from invading.
The simple choice is peace or war, we'll see what Zelenskyy chooses.

 

[candycorn]

Stupid comparison. Hitler was going to invade Poland and France no matter what Nevil Chamberlain did.

Sure especially when he saw there was no resistance in Poland.

Better question: What happened to the British and French armies when they tried to stop Hitler?

They fought him and eventually won. Did you sleep through History class.

Might makes right, always has always will.

Do you have any idea how brazenly idiotic you sound?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OMG!
Poor Russia never did nuthin' to nobody.
Everybody picks on Russia for no reason.

Ukraine proved to be terrible stewards of the Russian National entrusted to them. They bombed them, send in Nazis to kill them, tried to end their religion. They voted OVERWHELMINGLY to rejoin Russia. Putin exercised tremendous restraint in dealing with the situation

 

[kyzr]

Sure especially when he saw there was no resistance in Poland.

LOL. No matter what Chamberlain did Hitler was going to war.

They fought him and eventually won. Did you sleep through History class.

Britain and France got their asses kicked by the Blitzkrieg. Britain was very lucky to save 300,000 at Dunkirk.
It was a very long war, your Chamberlain point fell through, nothing he did or didn't do mattered.

Do you have any idea how brazenly idiotic you sound?

Prove me wrong. You can't. So just type nonsense, like you always do.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Putin is pleased.
Clearly the EU and Ukraine must go it alone.

One serious negative for the US. Many of the defense systems we are selling rely on upgrades and continued US maker support. Is the US is an untrustworthy supplier our foreign military export sales will shrink very rapidly.

 

[kyzr]

Putin is pleased.
Clearly the EU and Ukraine must go it alone.

Until they catch up to the US aid to Ukraine. It is their backyard.
The peace plan had the Us providing security guarantees, not the EU, besides, they don't have an army.

One serious negative for the US. Many of the defense systems we are selling rely on upgrades and continued US maker support. If the US is an untrustworthy supplier our foreign military export sales will shrink very rapidly.

No worries. Who else is there?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Until they catch up to the US aid to Ukraine. It is their backyard.
The peace plan had the Us providing security guarantees, not the EU, besides, they don't have an army.

No worries. Who else is there?

China
South Korea
North Korea
Israel
Germany
Italy
Belgium
France
UK
Brazil
Poland
Russia
Iran
(India is trying but they still suck).

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OMG!
Poor Russia never did nuthin' to nobody.
Everybody picks on Russia for no reason.

Remember when NATO promised and pinky swore to Russia that we would NEVER expand eastward?

 

[Billiejeens]

wow that was real funny wasnt it candy?...have you ever been in a war candy?..

A war with reality.

Spoiler alert.

Candy lost.

 

[Nostra]

Until Russia wants more....

Then what?

We will have to wait for the next Dimwinger President.

Putin only invades when his Cucks are in the WH.

 

[Nostra]

AP Reporting:

Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in draft of Trump peace plan obtained by AP

President Donald Trump’s plan for ending the war in Ukraine would cede territory to Russia and limit the size of Kyiv’s military, according to a draft proposal obtained by The Associated Press.

apnews.com

Some highlights (or lowlights) from the article:

• For example, the proposal would not only bar Ukraine from joining NATO but would also prevent the alliance’s future expansion. Such a step would be a significant victory for Moscow, which views NATO as a threat.
• Putin would also gain ground he has been unable to win on the battlefield. Under the draft, Moscow would hold all the eastern Donbas region, even though approximately 14% still remains in Ukrainian hands. Ukraine’s military, currently at roughly 880,000 troops, would be reduced to 600,000.
• Under the proposal, Russia would commit to making no future attacks, something the White House views as a concession.
• Russia would also be allowed to keep half of the power generated by Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia, which it captured from Ukraine early during the war.

There seems to be little in it for Ukraine or the US. One has to wonder on what planet such a plan ever saw the light of day.

It's never been the position of the US that Ukraine needs to be in NATO. Irrelevant to the US.

No further Russian attacks. Awesome!

And who cares what Russia ends up with? They won't give up what they have, so another 14% the Ukranians are trying hold means nothing to the US either.

Why do you support endless slaughter?

 

[Zavulon]

It's never been the position of the US that Ukraine needs to be in NATO. Irrelevant to the US.

No further Russian attacks. Awesome!

And who cares what Russia ends up with? They won't give up what they have, so another 14% the Ukranians are trying hold means nothing to the US either.

Why do you support endless slaughter?

There is no such thing as "endless slaughter". This slaughter will be finished when all Ukronazies are dead or left Ukraine.

 

[Mac1958]

Zelensky is the one I come closest to trusting in this fucked up group, so I'm good with whatever he decides.