Latest Ukrainian Peace Plan From the US...Ukraine Surrenders, NATO Cannot Expand; Russia Gives Up Nothing.

[rightwinger]

Sorry troll, I tried to help you out.

Link or it didn’t happen

 

[Zavulon]

No one wins a nuclear war.

Of course we can win a nuclear war. Watch, for example, A house of dynamite (2025). Russia starts and win.

Thread 'A house of dynamite (2025)'

Oct 31, 2025

Just finished to watch this movie. It's pretty nice (in its own way).

Made by famous Katherine Bigelow at written play by Noah Oppenheim with Rebecca Ferguson as Captain Olivia Walker, the oversight officer for the White House Situation Room (and some other nice girls who are, actually, the only attraction in this piece of, one could say, "modern art").

Its one of the attempts to play Herman Kahn's scenarios of "Field of Caplan" and/or "Pearl Harbor".
Previously we saw nice plays in:
Fail-safe (1964);
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb...

• Zavulon
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• Forum: Reviews

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Wrong. A US security guarantees means the US would defend Ukraine from any Russian invasion. So don't invade.

If Ukrainazies attack Russia, or Russian population (and Ukraine will do exactly it), Russia will attack both Ukraine and the USA. So, don't gove any guarantees.

The US would never strike first.

Plain lie. The USA always try to attack first.

Those 3 things are fine, there are no Nazis in Ukraine, a buffer zone like in 2014 is okay, and neutral status, i.e. no NATO membership is also okay.

There are a lot of Nazies in Ukraine, and it will be Russians, who decide who are nazies, and who are not. NATO-like guarantees are, in fact, NATO membership, and, therefore, unacceptable.

Desperate men do desperate things. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

It's not about being desperate. It's about fighting and winning.

That is a Russian movie from 1984. We don't have access to it yet.

Guest from the Future - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can find it on YouTube with English subtitles. Anyway, in XXI century you have access to almost any information you really want to find.

Your dancing robot doesn't move its feet, not good.

They didn't want to f#ck up before Putin.

Drones will be evolving all the time, as well as anti-drone technology.

And the USA is far backward in this race.


Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. If The Telegraph isn't lying, the EU said not just "No!", but open and loud "F#ck you, American bastards with your peace deal!" Now, America has a simple choice - allow Europeans commit suicide by themselves or commit this suicide together.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course we can win a nuclear war. Watch, for example, A house of dynamite (2025). Russia starts and win.

Thread 'A house of dynamite (2025)'

Oct 31, 2025

Just finished to watch this movie. It's pretty nice (in its own way).

Made by famous Katherine Bigelow at written play by Noah Oppenheim with Rebecca Ferguson as Captain Olivia Walker, the oversight officer for the White House Situation Room (and some other nice girls who are, actually, the only attraction in this piece of, one could say, "modern art").

Its one of the attempts to play Herman Kahn's scenarios of "Field of Caplan" and/or "Pearl Harbor".
Previously we saw nice plays in:
Fail-safe (1964);
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb...

• Zavulon
• Replies: 32
• Forum: Reviews

• 

If Ukrainazies attack Russia, or Russian population (and Ukraine will do exactly it), Russia will attack both Ukraine and the USA. So, don't gove any guarantees.


Plain lie. The USA always try to attack first.


There are a lot of Nazies in Ukraine, and it will be Russians, who decide who are nazies, and who are not. NATO-like guarantees are, in fact, NATO membership, and, therefore, unacceptable.


It's not about being desperate. It's about fighting and winning.


You can find it on YouTube with English subtitles. Anyway, in XXI century you have access to almost any information you really want to find.


They didn't want to f#ck up before Putin.

And the USA is far backward in this race.


Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. If The Telegraph isn't lying, the EU said not just "No!", but open and loud "F#ck you, American bastards with your peace deal!" Now, America has a simple choice - allow Europeans commit suicide by themselves or commit this suicide together.
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Russia would come out the worst in any nuclear exchange

 

[Zavulon]

In 1941 it didn't sound so bad for Germans, too.

In 2025 it doesn't sound so bad for most of the world.

Actually, most of the world are against glorification of Nazism and don't want to be "Hitler in the bunker f#cked"

Who told you about 3 weeks to victory?

Putin.

Link, pls.

It is a war against Pax Americana and it was highly unlikely that America can retreat without a war.

Why would America retreat from Russia?

Mostly because Russia is stronger and going to kill you all (ok, at least 90% of you), if you don't. Is it reason good enough?

 

[Zavulon]

Russia would come out the worst in any nuclear exchange

Who told you this? Russia has much better nuclear forces (including such things as gigaton-class strategic torpedoes) and better civil defence system (comparing with your anemic FEMA). And if Russia attack first, Russia has pretty good chances to limit possible losses from your possible retaliation to pretty reasonable and acceptable level. Or, the USA may decide not to retaliate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Actually, most of the world are against glorification of Nazism and don't want to be "Hitler in the bunker f#cked"
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Link, pls.


Mostly because Russia is stronger and going to kill you all (ok, at least 90% of you), if you don't. Is it reason good enough?

Russia is stronger, which is why Putin can't even conquer Ukraine. DURR

You never did give me the list of the 5 biggest differences between Commies and Nazis.

Why not?

 

[rightwinger]

Who told you this? Russia has much better nuclear forces (including such things as gigaton-class strategic torpedoes) and better civil defence system (comparing with your anemic FEMA). And if Russia attack first, Russia has pretty good chances to limit possible losses from your possible retaliation to pretty reasonable and acceptable level. Or, the USA may decide not to retaliate.

Like most things Russian…..using advanced technology and maintaining military assets in working order is not their strong point.

Russia would have a very high failure rate with their missiles while the U.S. would hit Russian targets with precision

 

[sartre play]

Except they took it by force and shouldn't be rewarded. But that doesn't really matter to you now, does it?

None of which is mentioned in the piece. Pipe dream?

No. Its a surrender and a lopsided deal for Russia. You can end a lot of wars if you just roll over and play dead which is what your blob has done in every case.

Why? Its easy to see that there is very little for Ukraine, very little for the US and a massive victory for the aggressive party--Russia. One need not study this deal in great detail to see that it is terrible for everyone but Putin.

There are also some under the table deals in the plan,
I would like to see a simpler plan, Main deal is stop the war,
get back as close to where it was be for Russian dictator invasion.

 

[Rogue AI]

Putin's 3-day war is going on for three long years. Not much ground os being gained. A very stupid war.

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Ukraine has suffered anywhere from 5-8 times more casualties. Those are the generous to moderate estimates given the situation on the ground, not the propaganda.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia is stronger, which is why Putin can't even conquer Ukraine. DURR

Because Ukrainians are part of Russian people. There is difference between keeping an unruly child and shooting a robber.

You never did give me the list of the 5 biggest differences between Commies and Nazis.

Why not?

First of all, because you didn't pay me for making your homework instead of you.

In context of Ukrainian discussion, antonim to the word "Nazi" is not "Commie" (some of Ukrainian commies joined Nazies) but Vatnik.
I've wrote about three main kinds of Ukrainian Nazies (in Russian understanding of the term) here:

Post in thread 'Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis' Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis

May be, I'll write some words about Vatniks, too. But a bit later.

 

[sartre play]

That is always the option...someone puts a gun in your face and demands your wallet on Tuesday, you give it to him right?

The same guy does it again on Wednesday and takes both your money clip (you’ve already lost your wallet) and your wristwatch....

You didn’t get shot but at least you got what you wanted...peace!

Support a country that like us, Wants to run its self, And not be lead by a dictator.

 

[Zavulon]

Like most things Russian…..using advanced technology and maintaining military assets in working order is not their strong point.

Russia would have a very high failure rate with their missiles while the U.S. would hit Russian targets with precision

Do you really believe it, and ready to gamble lifes of 90% of Americans with it?

Do you remember what did they tell you about effectiveness of Russian economy in 2022 and effectiveness of western military vechicles during "counteroffensive" in 2023?

Ok, let's play the nuclear war, if you believe that you can win it.

 

[rightwinger]

Do you really believe it, and ready to gamble lifes of 90% of Americans with it?

The question is whether Putin is willing to initiate a conflict he will surely lose

 

[sartre play]

Zelensky is the one I come closest to trusting in this fucked up group, so I'm good with whatever he decides.

Right or wrong ME TO.

 

[Zavulon]

The question is whether Putin is willing to initiate a conflict he will surely lose

Of course he can't be sure that he will lose. Actually, he is sure that we can win the war with acceptable loses (lesser than 40 million killed) even in the pessimistic scenario (and in this scenario the USA cease their existence). In realistic scenarios Russia lose one or two less defended cities (with human losses lesser than 1 mln killed), America lose 7 or 14 lesser cities, sign unconditional surrender and get divided for different occupation zones. In optimistic scenarios America don't retaliate at all (after Russian counter-force strike), lose Alaska (and, may be California) but still keeps its sovereignity and nuclear weapons.

 

[sartre play]

No
No
No

If Russia wanted conquest, why did they wait tens years before invading. THINK.

If they wanted all of Ukraine, why have they advanced so slowly. They could have leveled Kiev in the first week.

Think!

Why don't you look AT PUTINS earlier invasions, He had a few smaller places to invade first.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course he can't be sure that he will lose. Actually, he is sure that we can win the war with acceptable loses (lesser than 40 million killed) even in the pessimistic scenario.

40 million losses is acceptable to Putin?

How can you support that man?
WTF is the matter with you?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because Ukrainians are part of Russian people. There is difference between keeping an unruly child and shooting a robber.

First of all, because you didn't pay me for making your homework instead of you.

In context of Ukrainian discussion, antonim to the word "Nazi" is not "Commie" (some of Ukrainian commies joined Nazies) but Vatnik.
I've wrote about three main kinds of Ukrainian Nazies (in Russian understanding of the term) here:

Post in thread 'Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis' Yet Some Claim Ukraine isn’t Held Enthrall By Nazis

May be, I'll write some words about Vatniks, too. But a bit later.

Right.

Nazis are just like Commies.

Thanks.

 

[Zavulon]

40 million losses is acceptable to Putin?

Yes. It is acceptable for more or less all of us. It is better than lose 100% of population and be genocided by Europeans. They already officially declared decolonisation of Russia (i.e. genocide of Russian people) as their final goal. So, either we denazificate Ukraine (and European elites) or they genocide us.

How can you support that man?
WTF is the matter with you?

We are Russians. We fight against numerical and technologically superior enemies at least twice a century and usually defeat them. One of the reasons we do it - we don't care much about our losses.

Anyway, if you were facing a real threat of "decolonisation of Northern America" (meaning genocide of all Americans of European, African or Asian origin) would you count possible losses?

 

[rightwinger]

Yes. It is acceptable for more or less all of us

What a sick society you belong to
Accepting 40 million deaths