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Kurt Schlichter proposes a reasoned compromise on gun control with the democrats.........

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How many cells do you want to waste on.

Like you guys always say, if it saves even one life........it's worth it.

But locking people up for merely having guns? Um, no, just not practical.

If he commits a crime with the gun, jail him. Stop letting them skate like the twit here in Chicago, Kim Foxx, likes to do.
 

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Like you guys always say, if it saves even one life........it's worth it.

But locking people up for merely having guns? Um, no, just not practical.

If he commits a crime with the gun, jail him. Stop letting them skate like the twit here in Chicago, Kim Foxx, likes to do.

Except Fox has a higher conviction rate than Anita Alvarez did...

She drops 29% of felony charges compared to 19% dropped by Alvarez.

But even that only tells part of the story, as the charges she's likely to drop are things like narcotics charges,

Have a Gun ( Prohibited person) go to prison
Awesome. Get us five million more jail cells, and we can do that.
 

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Except Fox has a higher conviction rate than Anita Alvarez did...

She drops 29% of felony charges compared to 19% dropped by Alvarez.

But even that only tells part of the story, as the charges she's likely to drop are things like narcotics charges,


Awesome. Get us five million more jail cells, and we can do that.
Stop imprisoning non violent offenders and we have more than enough room for the animals
 

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Except Fox has a higher conviction rate than Anita Alvarez did...

She drops 29% of felony charges compared to 19% dropped by Alvarez.

But even that only tells part of the story, as the charges she's likely to drop are things like narcotics charges,


Awesome. Get us five million more jail cells, and we can do that.
So raiding Criminal Safe Houses and Gangbangers Drug dens and arresting criminals with guns is racis umkay ?
 
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Only 200 homicides a year by civilians are ruled as justified. It doesn't bump the number that much.


Yeah....only 235, actually, really stupid criminals most years...the rest run away, surrender or get injured by normal people defending themselves with guns...

Which happens 1.1 million times a year according to the CDC...1.5 according to the Department of Justice, or 2.5 million times a year according to Gary Kleck and his more exacting research...
 

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Except Fox has a higher conviction rate than Anita Alvarez did...

She sounds awesome!
Almost makes me forget all the criminals she let out with no bail or off with no charges.

She drops 29% of felony charges compared to 19% dropped by Alvarez.

But even that only tells part of the story, as the charges she's likely to drop are things like narcotics charges,


Or mutual combat I think she called it. That was great!
 

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So raiding Criminal Safe Houses and Gangbangers Drug dens and arresting criminals with guns is racis umkay ?

Actually, the entire war on drugs is stupid. It's like we learned not a fucking thing from Prohibition.

Or mutual combat I think she called it. That was great!

No, it was a fair evaluation of the situation. Nobody could tell for certain who fired the first shot. So every person involved in that incident could credibly claim that one of the others did it, or blame it on one of the dead guys.
 

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No, it was a fair evaluation of the situation. Nobody could tell for certain who fired the first shot. So every person involved in that incident could credibly claim that one of the others did it, or blame it on one of the dead guys.

Why didn't she charge all of them?
 

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Why didn't she charge all of them?

Because the police couldn't tell her who fired the first shot. Whoever fired the first shot was guilty. Whoever fired the second shot was acting in "self-defense".

This isn't fucking complicated.
 

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So lock up a murderer or rapist? Absolutely. And he violates his parole by merely having a gun, throw him back in. But locking people up for merely having guns? Um, no, just not practical.
So you support a complete gun ban, thereby disarming 100% of law-abiding citizens of 100% of their guns but then when criminals get caught still having guns, don't put them in jail. Wow. Can you imagine that world? Very scary.
 

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No, I mean let them loot and burn for a while. Get it out of their system.
That always calms down a mob.
Nikes and TVs used to calm a mob but, these days, it takes gold and designer bags. I'm not sure if that's just mobflation or if the mobs are just more angry.
 

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Except Fox has a higher conviction rate than Anita Alvarez did...

She drops 29% of felony charges compared to 19% dropped by Alvarez.

But even that only tells part of the story, as the charges she's likely to drop are things like narcotics charges,


Awesome. Get us five million more jail cells, and we can do that.
It won't take 5 million more cells but it might take 500,000 more cells. By the time word gets out that possession of a gun actually gets you the 10 years promised - whether you're 14 or 44 years old, there will be far fewer gun arrests.

The reason it will take 500K cells is that the Democrats have promised criminals that they won't go to jail and it's going to take hard time, very hard time, for a much larger number before the bad guys get the message than it would have taken had the Democrats enforced the law from the start. Had we always enforced the law then we'd be past that part.

That said, I don't think there should be a prohibited person so there's another side to the story. But if the criminal is caught with a stolen gun, or otherwise illegally obtained gun, then maximum penalty. And, you're right. If they commit a crime - the gun has nothing to do with it - put them in prison.

Armed robbery first offense should get 20 years. Second offense gets life.
Violent or forced rape or child rape, first offense should be death penalty. Statutory rape first offense 20 years.

Kidnapping of a child not your blood child should be 20 years first offense, life for multiple kidnappings first offenses or any second offense.

The current practice of kidnapping charges over custody disputes really suck and should not be the way those are settled.

I don't like laws that don't address the real problem - like gun restrictions. Locking up people for having a gun is only intended as a bad response to the bad law that let criminals on the street in the first place.
 

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Actually, the entire war on drugs is stupid. It's like we learned not a fucking thing from Prohibition.



No, it was a fair evaluation of the situation. Nobody could tell for certain who fired the first shot. So every person involved in that incident could credibly claim that one of the others did it, or blame it on one of the dead guys.
But since most of those ins the shootouts are in possessions of illegal guns then they can still be charged - and I don't mean for felon in possession, but for possessing stolen guns.

You're right that the war on drugs is stupid. We should get the Supreme Court to review the laws, recognize that the Federal Government does not have the authority to regulate personal use of drugs in the states, and send it back to the states... sort of like they did in another case yesterday.
 

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Because the police couldn't tell her who fired the first shot. Whoever fired the first shot was guilty. Whoever fired the second shot was acting in "self-defense".

None of these guys had priors preventing them from owning a gun?
If you're shooting in self-defense and you're hitting neighboring houses, no charges?
Throw them all in jail while you try to prove who fired first.
 

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It won't take 5 million more cells but it might take 500,000 more cells. By the time word gets out that possession of a gun actually gets you the 10 years promised - whether you're 14 or 44 years old, there will be far fewer gun arrests.

We have 7 million people on probation or parole.

In Chicago alone, the CPD confiscates 12,000 illegal guns a year. That's just in Chicago.

Nationwide the figure is 1.3 million in the last five years.

The reason it will take 500K cells is that the Democrats have promised criminals that they won't go to jail and it's going to take hard time, very hard time, for a much larger number before the bad guys get the message than it would have taken had the Democrats enforced the law from the start. Had we always enforced the law then we'd be past that part.

Uh, we've had the NRA go around telling everyone in the country that having a gun is your god-given right. That's why the message won't ever sink in. Either you have gun control or you don't.

But since most of those ins the shootouts are in possessions of illegal guns then they can still be charged - and I don't mean for felon in possession, but for possessing stolen guns.

None of these guys had priors preventing them from owning a gun?
If you're shooting in self-defense and you're hitting neighboring houses, no charges?
Throw them all in jail while you try to prove who fired first.

Did you manage to kill all the lawyers before you tried that? Because if the CPD couldn't tell Fox who shot first, then a lawyer is going to rush right to a judge and say, "Yer Honor, my client was only defending himself!" (It's funnier if I do the Chicago Lawyer accent).
 

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Did you manage to kill all the lawyers before you tried that? Because if the CPD couldn't tell Fox who shot first, then a lawyer is going to rush right to a judge and say, "Yer Honor, my client was only defending himself!" (It's funnier if I do the Chicago Lawyer accent).

"Your honor, the defendant already has 3 felony convictions and is not allowed to possess a firearm, even in mutual combat"

The mid-morning gunfight, which left one shooter dead and two of the suspects wounded, stemmed from an internal dispute between two gang factions, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

New video from city pod cameras shows what police say is two people pulling up and opening fire at an Austin home. They ducked for cover as the people inside fired back. One person was killed and two others were hurt in the shootout. Three people were arrested.



If only we had the technology to find fingerprints in a vehicle.
 
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Like you guys always say, if it saves even one life........it's worth it.

But locking people up for merely having guns? Um, no, just not practical.

If he commits a crime with the gun, jail him. Stop letting them skate like the twit here in Chicago, Kim Foxx, likes to do.


Yeah....see....joe knows they need the gang bangers shooting each other so that they can use those shootings to push gun control.....and if a gang member is in jail for 30 years for an illegal gun charge, he can't be shooting other young black males to give power to gun grabbing fanatics.....
 

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Yeah....see....joe knows they need the gang bangers shooting each other so that they can use those shootings to push gun control.....and if a gang member is in jail for 30 years for an illegal gun charge, he can't be shooting other young black males to give power to gun grabbing fanatics.....

We have 2 million people in jail.

Putting them in prison doesn't discourage the next guy.

gang bangers wouldn't be a probelm if they couldn't get guns to start with.
 

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