Kurt Schlichter proposes a reasoned compromise on gun control with the democrats.........

[2aguy]

We have 2 million people in jail.

Putting them in prison doesn't discourage the next guy.

gang bangers wouldn't be a probelm if they couldn't get guns to start with.

Putting the gun offender in prison for 30 years means he isn't shooting people for 30 years.

Gang bangers get guns in every country.....even Canada, Britain and France...

A muslim terrorist just shot up gay bars in Oslo.......using a pistol and a military rifle.....so criminals get guns because they don't care about the law...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putting them in prison doesn't discourage the next guy.

Sure stops the guy in prison from hurting or killing any civilians in his old neighborhood for a while.

 

[2aguy]

Sure stops the guy in prison from hurting or killing any civilians in his old neighborhood for a while.

Might help keep people alive...since the guy isn't out shooting up his neighborhood......but joe isn't very bright...

 

[2aguy]

Sure stops the guy in prison from hurting or killing any civilians in his old neighborhood for a while.

And the Yakuza in Japan....used to shoot each other up all the time...then they stopped......why?

Long Prison sentences made it not worth it to use or even get caught with a gun.....long prison sentences...

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols

Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life.

That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison.

If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty.

The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.
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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[JoeB131]

Putting the gun offender in prison for 30 years means he isn't shooting people for 30 years.

We can't put murderers in prison for 30 years, much less gun offenders.

The average murderer only served 13.5 years.

We don't have enough prison space.

And the Yakuza in Japan....used to shoot each other up all the time...then they stopped......why?

Long Prison sentences made it not worth it to use or even get caught with a gun.....long prison sentences...

Guns have been illegal in Japan since the Meiji restoration.

 

[2aguy]

We can't put murderers in prison for 30 years, much less gun offenders.

The average murderer only served 13.5 years.

We don't have enough prison space.



Guns have been illegal in Japan since the Meiji restoration.

But that's not how they kept the Yakuza from using them.......as my link showed.......

Long prison sentences kept the Yakuza from using guns, nothing else.

 

[JoeB131]

But that's not how they kept the Yakuza from using them.......as my link showed.......

Long prison sentences kept the Yakuza from using guns, nothing else.

Um, the Yakuza never went away, and never stopped using guns.

They just didn't have easy access to them.

 

[2aguy]

Um, the Yakuza never went away, and never stopped using guns.

They just didn't have easy access to them.

Except for what the actual link and story state….

 

[JoeB131]

Except for what the actual link and story state….

For the record, I ignore all your Ammosexual links, Dick Tiny.

We are the only advanced country that considers gun ownership to be a right, and we are the only one that has the kinds of gun carnage we experience. This isn't fucking complicated.

 

[2aguy]

For the record, I ignore all your Ammosexual links, Dick Tiny.

We are the only advanced country that considers gun ownership to be a right, and we are the only one that has the kinds of gun carnage we experience. This isn't fucking complicated.

No.....

Europe murdered 15 million men, women and children in the modern period....after 1917, in just a 6 year period....

From 1939-1945, the German socialists and the governments in Europe they controlled rounded up and murdered those 15 million people......and only stopped because Americans with guns made them stop....

15 million murdered innocent men, women and children is more people murdered than all of the gun murders in the United States for the entire 246 years we have existed......


There is no comparison......

 

[JoeB131]

No.....

Europe murdered 15 million men, women and children in the modern period....after 1917, in just a 6 year period....

That's called, "War" dude, it usually sucks. It has nothing to do with street crime or gun ownership.

 

[2aguy]

That's called, "War" dude, it usually sucks. It has nothing to do with street crime or gun ownership.

No...they are not the war dead....these are civilians, rounded up by the socialists who were simply murdered.....

NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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[JoeB131]

No...they are not the war dead....these are civilians, rounded up by the socialists who were simply murdered.....

Yes, during a war... Wow, funny how that works, when you engage in murder on a mass scale, people die.

It wasn't TWELVE million people who died in WWII, it was SEVENTY MILLION, killed by all sides.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, during a war... Wow, funny how that works, when you engage in murder on a mass scale, people die.

It wasn't TWELVE million people who died in WWII, it was SEVENTY MILLION, killed by all sides.

Moron
…. The 15million were not killed in combat or as collateral damage…..they were civilians rounded up by your left wing, socialist buddies and murdered .

 

[JoeB131]

Moron
…. The 15million were not killed in combat or as collateral damage…..they were civilians rounded up by your left wing, socialist buddies and murdered .

The Nazis are right wing. Why do you think Neo-Nazis support Trump?

A shitload of bad things happened in WWII, most of them to civilians. The country that took the most fatalities was China. Not a Nazi in sight. (Unless you count the Kuomintang, who were practically Nazis.)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Nazis are right wing.

Nothing says right wing like massive government control over every aspect of the country.

 

[2aguy]

The Nazis are right wing. Why do you think Neo-Nazis support Trump?

A shitload of bad things happened in WWII, most of them to civilians. The country that took the most fatalities was China. Not a Nazi in sight. (Unless you count the Kuomintang, who were practically Nazis.)

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They are leftists….. you can lie about them all you want but they are leftists, socialists

 

[2aguy]

The Nazis are right wing. Why do you think Neo-Nazis support Trump?

A shitload of bad things happened in WWII, most of them to civilians. The country that took the most fatalities was China. Not a Nazi in sight. (Unless you count the Kuomintang, who were practically Nazis.)

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Yes….the socialists in China murdered people too

 

[JoeB131]

They are leftists….. you can lie about them all you want but they are leftists, socialists

Really? Because it seems to me and anyone who bothered to read a history book, the Nazis stopped being "Socialists" after the Night of the Long Knives, when they eliminated Ernst Roehm and the other revolutionary elements and got into bed with the German Military Industrial complex.

Krupp, Bayer, Messerschmidt, they all LOVED Hitler and how he was going to bring all the wealth to German Corporations... Even some American corporations got in on the act.

 

[2aguy]

Really? Because it seems to me and anyone who bothered to read a history book, the Nazis stopped being "Socialists" after the Night of the Long Knives, when they eliminated Ernst Roehm and the other revolutionary elements and got into bed with the German Military Industrial complex.

Krupp, Bayer, Messerschmidt, they all LOVED Hitler and how he was going to bring all the wealth to German Corporations... Even some American corporations got in on the act.

Yeah.....you guys have been desperately trying to hide the socialism of the nazis since the war....because if you can't, that means the worst mass murderers in modern history, since 1917, were all socialists.......and the socialists in Germany got all of the attention because they lost the war, while the socialists in Russia and china actually murdered way more people than the German socialists....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas.

But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.”

However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State.


By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”