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Only those testing positive in hospitals are counted.... those who have never been tested, are not counted. If the patient is in the COVID ward, they are there because they have tested positive with the disease.So, can you explain why we had 60,000 deaths from covid in just the one month of April 2020...
The numbers are being gamed. There is a huge financial incentive for the hospitals to code a death as "COVID" if there is any way to remotely associate the assumption of room temperature to the pestilence. Even if there have been no tests to indicate the patient was positive, or if the patient had comorbidities like emphysema, tb, or lung cancer, the pressure is still to make it a COVID.
Post a link. I think you are "misreading" what you found.Sigh. . . . According to three recent COVID-19 anti-body studies, COVID-19’s actual case death rate is between 0.1% and 0.3%, the same range as the common flu. The 2017-2018 flu season had a case death rate of 0.134% (61,099 deaths/44.8 million cases). The 2016-2017 flu season had a case death rate of 0.131% (38,230 deaths/29.2 million cases). So, yes, if we go by the case death rate indicated by COVID-19 anti-body studies, if you catch COVID-19, your risk of dying from it is no higher than the risk you would face if you caught the flu, and it might even be slightly lower.
And there are plenty of experts who disagree with the experts you're trusting. FYI, your experts produced or glibly accepted the initial COVID-19 models, which have proved to be wildly inaccurate.
ya, sure they dont. This shit does not make sense. There is no one on the planet that is not effected by the economy. No one wants to see it go bad, it is not good for any one. No one is happy about this shit. Fame and power drawn from this? Horse shit, who is getting fame and power out of it. Is there some money to be made? Likely if ya have money at the end of this you can buy shit up and the drug companies will be happy as well as the banks every one else gets the big one up the ass with out lube. Even with all the oil companies power they are getting shafted out of this. Do I blame you for wanting to open up? I do not, I wanna get back to my normal life I worked hard at building it and like it. We are not going to be held responsible for how it goes either way. Trump and all the governors will be held responsible. Medical pros will be held responsible. Pretty easy to sling mud when it aint falling back on you I stand on the side of protect the at risk population and put the rest of us back to work. This does not make me evil or with out caring any more than those on the other side of the fence.Absolutely, they were unknowns and now they are relishing the limelight and power they are bathed in. They don't give two hoots for the pain and destruction of jobs, businesses, proud people having to line up at food banks.Hide under your bed until the "experts" change their mind again.
The experts LOVE this Lock Down. It gives them power over the ordinary people's movements that they never had previously. After this Corona Panic subsides, and it will BTW, expect more Mass Quarantines to be imposed in the future. Petty Tyrants like Mr. Reich are in their glory.
If I was going to invest in a business nowadays, I'd look to open up a Speak Easy. Good until the end of this panic, but something that can be quickly reopened for future panics.
Tell, do you liberals every grow tired of being wrong all the time?.
Know More Than The Experts? Return To Work and Willingly Accept Your Fate
Among the U.S. public, the COVID-19 pandemic has boiled down to just two major schools of thought. One, that we all should follow the instructions as they are released by the scientific and medical communities, and two, that everyday life should go unchanged and believe the COVID-19 pandemic is no worse than an average cold and flu season.
Unfortunately, COVID-19 has proven itself much more deadly than the “flu” normally experienced each year. Its symptoms can vary from patient to patient, it can affect each age group differently, and the disease can kill in several different ways.
There is no doubt the “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies imposed by local and state governments have reduced the spread and thus the fatalities caused by COVID-19. It is the same with the forced closures of nonessential businesses. Even the impeached president trump reversed his stance concerning Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s reopening the state’s economy.
Certain businesses and their employees are essential to keep the nation functioning even at the reduced economic level currently being experienced. Sadly, the employees are unable to shelter-in-place and must do their best to maintain social distancing in their workplace environment. Most must work without PPE to prevent their contracting COVID-19.
Past administrations had experts run simulations to predict the effects and enable planning to provide the actions, personnel, and supplies necessary to minimize the spread of a newly discovered disease. But, despite the bragging by the impeached president trump about his “greatness”, it has been his ongoing, gross mismanagement of these programs, well established by past administrations, that brought the nation to the disastrous point we are now. And, thanks to the impeached president trump’s unbelievable stupidity, the situation is going to get much, much worse.
The impeached president trump is no different than other right-wingers. As with all issues, the impeached president trump, like the vast majority of conservatives, believe their knowledge far exceeds that of individuals formally educated in diseases and pandemics.
In addition to COVID-19, the conservatives’ self-proclaimed (but constantly disproven) “superior” knowledge in all subjects, includes constitutional law. The right-wingers’ reinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution consistently places their rights above those of all other Americans. These same conservatives will assure anyone who will listen there is a clause in the Constitution, which protects their right to endanger the health, safety, and well-being of others by ignoring legally imposed governmental orders designed to protect everyone. And this is just one example, of many, when right-wingers believe the U.S. Constitution guarantees their “rights” supersede the rights of all other citizens.
No reasonable person is surprised by the conservatives’ armed demonstrations against “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies. Especially with the impeached president trump’s well documented history of encouraging his devoted fanatics to commit acts of violence.
With conservatives also agonizing over the rights of workers classified as “nonessential personnel”, whose jobs do nothing to contribute to the survival of society, some middle ground must be reached to prevent an armed uprising by the impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics.
The impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics have shown their supreme confidence in their leader’s assurances the COVID-19 pandemic presents no danger to them worse than a common cold. Therefore, conservatives’ demands that nonessential personnel be permitted to return to work for nonessential businesses, must be granted. This is especially true, when the nonessential businesses do nothing but assure the profits of the billionaire class go uninterrupted. Employees loyal to the billionaire class must be permitted to return to work, regardless of the potential for their deaths from COVID-19.
History provides many examples of the conservatives’ endless fight against their own best interests. Conservatives carrying firearms at demonstrations to threaten leaders who issued orders to protect public health shows how right-wingers are hellbent on contracting COVID-19. With their determination being so powerful, they should be permitted to win in this fight against their own best interests as they have so many others.
It’s always gratifying to see how much conservatives hate the truth. As seen on these message boards, reasonable people have come to expect this. Just as reasonable people expect the constant conservative denial of reality seen here day in and day out. (The COVID-19 pandemic has really proven this.)
So, keep your mindless, right wing criticisms coming. By doing so, you consistently reaffirm these facts about yourselves. You can do nothing else, which makes it useless to respond to your conservative nonsense.
Donald Trump's four-step plan to reopen the US economy – and why it will be lethal | Robert Reich
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Sadly I can not say the same. Many of my suppliers were forced to close and my customers fell victim to the fear mongering.I have been working 40 hours a week every week since all this began.
Hope you see the light at the end of the tunnel soon I’m all for being cautious but anything can be taken to far.Sadly I can not say the same. Many of my suppliers were forced to close and my customers fell victim to the fear mongering.I have been working 40 hours a week every week since all this began.
I have two new jobs lined up but they are custom builds and I am waiting on cabinetry to be made.
People like you are why shit costs so damn much. Having to have built in litigation fees to every product because of idiots and their frivolous lawsuits.I think most businesses will try to make it as safe as possible for their employees because it is the right thing to do, for the employees and for themselves, in the long run....
but there will be employers that are negligent, and not care about protecting their employees as best as they can, and unnecessary deaths will come from their negligence of not putting in protections for their employees..... and those negligent employers should NOT BE PROTECTED by our government for any wrongful death or harm, suits....
The government needs to stay out of it and not pick the private employer over the every day citizen laborer. PERIOD.
Without the fear of being sued, every employer or near every employer will choose MONEY over people and cut corners on employee safety measures....
once it is okay for one to abuse their workers, then all the other employers will follow.... one by one.....
it saves money not to have to buy masks or set up safety shields between processing plant workers or assembly line workers or Restaurant and grocery cashiers etc... and if one of their competitors is not spending on safety measures, then in order for them to compete with their competitor's lower overhead and prices, they too will have to drop the expense of safety measures....
It's not being sued that costs them and makes them doing the right thing.... it is the FEAR of being sued, that makes them do the right thing, and protect their employees.
This is a bad idea to make them exempt from any suits, the govt giving them a free pass....imo.... bad for us citizens.
sure! employers are not responsible at all for the safety of their employees...People like you are why shit costs so damn much. Having to have built in litigation fees to every product because of idiots and their frivolous lawsuits.I think most businesses will try to make it as safe as possible for their employees because it is the right thing to do, for the employees and for themselves, in the long run....
but there will be employers that are negligent, and not care about protecting their employees as best as they can, and unnecessary deaths will come from their negligence of not putting in protections for their employees..... and those negligent employers should NOT BE PROTECTED by our government for any wrongful death or harm, suits....
The government needs to stay out of it and not pick the private employer over the every day citizen laborer. PERIOD.
Without the fear of being sued, every employer or near every employer will choose MONEY over people and cut corners on employee safety measures....
once it is okay for one to abuse their workers, then all the other employers will follow.... one by one.....
it saves money not to have to buy masks or set up safety shields between processing plant workers or assembly line workers or Restaurant and grocery cashiers etc... and if one of their competitors is not spending on safety measures, then in order for them to compete with their competitor's lower overhead and prices, they too will have to drop the expense of safety measures....
It's not being sued that costs them and makes them doing the right thing.... it is the FEAR of being sued, that makes them do the right thing, and protect their employees.
This is a bad idea to make them exempt from any suits, the govt giving them a free pass....imo.... bad for us citizens.
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work ANYWHERE.
An individual is responsible for the choices they make and that includes where they work, what risks are involved & so on.
Me posting a MSDS on a trailer door does not protect me or you from an idiot who ingests chemicals or works with a product negligently. But that notice somehow magically is supposed to protect me from YOU.
Tell, do you liberals every grow tired of being wrong all the time?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work ANYWHERE.
So you are not forced. Just as I stated.Tell, do you liberals every grow tired of being wrong all the time?
Were we wrong when we tried to raise the alarm about this coming pandemic? Ya know...when Trump was calling those warnings a "Dem hoax"?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work ANYWHERE.
That's a lie. Trump has ORDERED meat processing plants to stay open.
A. That means if workers refuse to work in infected facilities they get NOTHING. No unemployment
B. Those facilities that wanted to close to sanitize...could NOT do so
Trump stopped travel from China while y'all were trying to impeach him. Then you called him a racist for doing it.Tell, do you liberals every grow tired of being wrong all the time?
Were we wrong when we tried to raise the alarm about this coming pandemic? Ya know...when Trump was calling those warnings a "Dem hoax"?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work ANYWHERE.
That's a lie. Trump has ORDERED meat processing plants to stay open.
A. That means if workers refuse to work in infected facilities they get NOTHING. No unemployment
B. Those facilities that wanted to close to sanitize...could NOT do so
The death rate for COVID-19 is .is around .06 % of course that is with just the confirmed cases its a given that there are way more people that are infected. The fact is you people are full of shit..
Know More Than The Experts? Return To Work and Willingly Accept Your Fate
Among the U.S. public, the COVID-19 pandemic has boiled down to just two major schools of thought. One, that we all should follow the instructions as they are released by the scientific and medical communities, and two, that everyday life should go unchanged and believe the COVID-19 pandemic is no worse than an average cold and flu season.
Unfortunately, COVID-19 has proven itself much more deadly than the “flu” normally experienced each year. Its symptoms can vary from patient to patient, it can affect each age group differently, and the disease can kill in several different ways.
There is no doubt the “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies imposed by local and state governments have reduced the spread and thus the fatalities caused by COVID-19. It is the same with the forced closures of nonessential businesses. Even the impeached president trump reversed his stance concerning Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s reopening the state’s economy.
Certain businesses and their employees are essential to keep the nation functioning even at the reduced economic level currently being experienced. Sadly, the employees are unable to shelter-in-place and must do their best to maintain social distancing in their workplace environment. Most must work without PPE to prevent their contracting COVID-19.
Past administrations had experts run simulations to predict the effects and enable planning to provide the actions, personnel, and supplies necessary to minimize the spread of a newly discovered disease. But, despite the bragging by the impeached president trump about his “greatness”, it has been his ongoing, gross mismanagement of these programs, well established by past administrations, that brought the nation to the disastrous point we are now. And, thanks to the impeached president trump’s unbelievable stupidity, the situation is going to get much, much worse.
The impeached president trump is no different than other right-wingers. As with all issues, the impeached president trump, like the vast majority of conservatives, believe their knowledge far exceeds that of individuals formally educated in diseases and pandemics.
In addition to COVID-19, the conservatives’ self-proclaimed (but constantly disproven) “superior” knowledge in all subjects, includes constitutional law. The right-wingers’ reinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution consistently places their rights above those of all other Americans. These same conservatives will assure anyone who will listen there is a clause in the Constitution, which protects their right to endanger the health, safety, and well-being of others by ignoring legally imposed governmental orders designed to protect everyone. And this is just one example, of many, when right-wingers believe the U.S. Constitution guarantees their “rights” supersede the rights of all other citizens.
No reasonable person is surprised by the conservatives’ armed demonstrations against “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies. Especially with the impeached president trump’s well documented history of encouraging his devoted fanatics to commit acts of violence.
With conservatives also agonizing over the rights of workers classified as “nonessential personnel”, whose jobs do nothing to contribute to the survival of society, some middle ground must be reached to prevent an armed uprising by the impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics.
The impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics have shown their supreme confidence in their leader’s assurances the COVID-19 pandemic presents no danger to them worse than a common cold. Therefore, conservatives’ demands that nonessential personnel be permitted to return to work for nonessential businesses, must be granted. This is especially true, when the nonessential businesses do nothing but assure the profits of the billionaire class go uninterrupted. Employees loyal to the billionaire class must be permitted to return to work, regardless of the potential for their deaths from COVID-19.
History provides many examples of the conservatives’ endless fight against their own best interests. Conservatives carrying firearms at demonstrations to threaten leaders who issued orders to protect public health shows how right-wingers are hellbent on contracting COVID-19. With their determination being so powerful, they should be permitted to win in this fight against their own best interests as they have so many others.
It’s always gratifying to see how much conservatives hate the truth. As seen on these message boards, reasonable people have come to expect this. Just as reasonable people expect the constant conservative denial of reality seen here day in and day out. (The COVID-19 pandemic has really proven this.)
So, keep your mindless, right wing criticisms coming. By doing so, you consistently reaffirm these facts about yourselves. You can do nothing else, which makes it useless to respond to your conservative nonsense.
Donald Trump's four-step plan to reopen the US economy – and why it will be lethal | Robert Reich
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Know More Than The Experts?
never claimed to
Return To Work and Willing Accept Your Fate
as to opposed to starving , there's not much choice
unless you've some magic bailout, because 'da GubMit' doesn't
and quite frankly , we (small biz) would like to tell them where they can stuff their hush $$$ about now
~S~
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Wrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The evidence is clear, as posted in my link, Oxford University of Bio Research.
Not your source Hee Haw and the rantings of Trump.
Can you understand that you can open your business doors all you want but you can't make people enter and spend money.
If people are too afraid to leave their homes to go to those businesses all the open businesses in the world isn't going to put money in the cash register.
And he didn’t stop travel from Europe. Imagine the very idea that infected people would have traveled to EuropeTrump stopped travel from China while y'all were trying to impeach him. Then you called him a racist for doing it.Tell, do you liberals every grow tired of being wrong all the time?
Were we wrong when we tried to raise the alarm about this coming pandemic? Ya know...when Trump was calling those warnings a "Dem hoax"?
NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to work ANYWHERE.
That's a lie. Trump has ORDERED meat processing plants to stay open.
A. That means if workers refuse to work in infected facilities they get NOTHING. No unemployment
B. Those facilities that wanted to close to sanitize...could NOT do so
And what do you suppose will happen when infections start to rise and friends and family start to die...Can you understand that you can open your business doors all you want but you can't make people enter and spend money.
If people are too afraid to leave their homes to go to those businesses all the open businesses in the world isn't going to put money in the cash register.
This is of course, true. However, once people see others going out and working, taking care of business- and not being struck dead with the virus- the tide will turn. That's where forward looking states like Mississippi and Texas come into the picture. They will start to thrive and others will follow.
Arguing with zombiesWrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The evidence is clear, as posted in my link, Oxford University of Bio Research.
Not your source Hee Haw and the rantings of Trump.
What you don't realize is that you can post honest, concrete facts all day long. You can fill message box after message box and post it on the board all day long.
NONE of the far right radical extremist trump followers will read it or accept it. They will just post stupid things like fake news and accuse your honest facts are all lies. Without any proof of course but that doesn't matter to those people. Or their other favorite is TDS.
All that matters is what they feel and want to be true. Not reality.
You are wasting your time trying to reason with them or present any sort of honest facts to them.
A few more funerals.And what do you suppose will happen when infections start to rise and friends and family start to die...Can you understand that you can open your business doors all you want but you can't make people enter and spend money.
If people are too afraid to leave their homes to go to those businesses all the open businesses in the world isn't going to put money in the cash register.
This is of course, true. However, once people see others going out and working, taking care of business- and not being struck dead with the virus- the tide will turn. That's where forward looking states like Mississippi and Texas come into the picture. They will start to thrive and others will follow.
