Kirks killer got away

[ThisIsMe]

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You're correct in that your not a firearms expert..

Yeah.....I said that, which is why I offer this as an opinion based in the information feom people who know more about it than I do.

The ammunition used is the shooting was more than likely hunting ammo that when striking bone causing almost immediate expansion.

The official narrative is it a .30-06 round.



This guy gives an example of what that would do to a bone. Even if it deflected, seems like there should be an exit wound. A bullet with that kind of power, even if it deflected into the cranial cavity, should have caused damage to the head.

The bullet most likely hit Kirk's clavicle causing the damage to his upper chest, neck and face.

I mean, it's possible, but again, some of the experts im watching are skeptical of that. Had he been wearing plate armor, they agree that might be the case, but without that, they dont seem to support a deflection off the collar bone.

 

[ThisIsMe]

But have they shot humans or just targets on a range?....
Not one of them has examined the body.... snipers rarely do.... if ever... they are not doctors...

i believe they were all deployed several times. They know the craft. Correct, they are not doctors, but they know ballistics and have a working knowledge of how bullets affect the body.

 

[the watcher]

Yeah, Gary over at Paramount Tactical has been talking about that. At first they thought it might be an ear piece cord, but kirk wasnt wearing an earpiece. They are now saying it might be his necklace that was blown backwards by shock wave force.

Its just that the front entry angle is hard to buy since there was no visible exit wound and the entry wound was just too big. The only way that entry wound could have been that big is if the bullet was deflected and started tumbling or keyholed, but there wasnt anything to deflect off of

But have they shot humans or just targets on a range?....
Not one of them has examined the body.... snipers rarely do.... if ever... they are not doctors...

The grounds where the tent has been (the crime scene) has been repaved, his body has been cremated so there will be no wound tracking now, just what's on the autopsy if there was one. What you see is what you get.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Conspiracy nutters always know more than anyone that was there.
No point in trusting what eye witnesses, local police, local hospital staff or especially what the perpetrator himself says.

you think people in the crowd know anything? All they know is the chaos of the moment, and we haven't heard anything from the local police, or the doctors.

Some dumbass on the Internet always knows more.

Lol, I never suggested i know more than anyone. Im only posting this after watching videos from others who question the official story, people who know more than I. THOSE people are the experts.













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I mean, there is plenty of information out there talking about it. Knock yourself out.

All Im suggesting is, there's more going on here than what is being told and the ballistics dont appear to support the offic story.

Yes, well know more when the reports are released, of course, but from the information I've seen, things dont add up. Even kash patel said they are investigating more than 20 people.

 

[the watcher]

If US history and also world history teaches you anything, the minute you stop questioning your government things go south very fast.

 

[Rambunctious]

i believe they were all deployed several times. They know the craft. Correct, they are not doctors, but they know ballistics and have a working knowledge of how bullets affect the body.

You believe?... do they examine their targets after the shots?... what are they saying?... that the shot came from the back?... the side?... Charlie was under a canopy... with a concrete wall behind him... if a shot came from the crowd people would have seen and heard it... the place was full of people...
Are they saying that the kid on the roof was a patsy?... then why did he admit he killed him?... I was deployed three times... once to Iraq and twice to Afghanistan... That does not make me an expert on ballistics and it does not make me a coroner...
The guy I watched on youtube was claiming to be a sniper but the things he was saying was insane... he sounded and looked like he knew what he was talking about but he left too many questions unanswered...
Where did the shot come from?... he seemed to be saying it came from behind but that would be impossible... there was no damage to the canopy... there were no witnesses who came forward and said the shot came from here or there... if you look at the scene the only place the shot could have come from was where it came from... so come on... think for yourself and turn off these self acclaimed experts looking for clicks on their website...

 

[Rambunctious]

Yeah.....I said that, which is why I offer this as an opinion based in the information feom people who know more about it than I do.



The official narrative is it a .30-06 round.



This guy gives an example of what that would do to a bone. Even if it deflected, seems like there should be an exit wound. A bullet with that kind of power, even if it deflected into the cranial cavity, should have caused damage to the head.



I mean, it's possible, but again, some of the experts im watching are skeptical of that. Had he been wearing plate armor, they agree that might be the case, but without that, they dont seem to support a deflection off the collar bone.

The guy in this video talks about his sponsor... he mentions clickbait... and then he goes into how he is such an expert... then he talks about an entrance wound... how did he see the entrance wound?... on a video?... then he says the round "should have been" powerful enough to shoot through bone... That would be when I would normally have turned him off... but I watched this guy till the end... he does not explain anything... he gives no evidence... he talks about different rounds but never mentions that rounds can be loaded differently... many hunters load their own rounds...
And then he starts talking about the clavicle... no one's body is exactly the same... then he says its great to have so many subscribers out there... Charlie was wearing a T-shirt... we would have seen a vest... the guy is full of crap... now I will watch your next clickbait video...

 

[Rambunctious]

ThisIsMe these guys are doing this for hits on their sites... they go on and on and on... and then say words like "probably"... they give no other explanation... youtube videos are big bucks these days... the longer you can keep people watching the more ads you can sell... and more sponsors you can attract which is the real money... So be careful bro... don't get caught up in conspiracy theories....

 

[Rambunctious]

The grounds where the tent has been (the crime scene) has been repaved, his body has been cremated so there will be no wound tracking now, just what's on the autopsy if there was one. What you see is what you get

How do you know all of this?... and even if its correct what does it matter?... First of all I sincerely doubt Charlie was cremated... that would be very surprising to me...

 

[ThisIsMe]

You believe?... do they examine their targets after the shots?... what are they saying?... that the shot came from the back?... the side?... Charlie was under a canopy... with a concrete wall behind him... if a shot came from the crowd people would have seen and heard it... the place was full of people...
Are they saying that the kid on the roof was a patsy?... then why did he admit he killed him?... I was deployed three times... once to Iraq and twice to Afghanistan... That does not make me an expert on ballistics and it does not make me a coroner...
The guy I watched on youtube was claiming to be a sniper but the things he was saying was insane... he sounded and looked like he knew what he was talking about but he left too many questions unanswered...
Where did the shot come from?... he seemed to be saying it came from behind but that would be impossible... there was no damage to the canopy... there were no witnesses who came forward and said the shot came from here or there... if you look at the scene the only place the shot could have come from was where it came from... so come on... think for yourself and turn off these self acclaimed experts looking for clicks on their website...

I just linked quite a few videos that answers all of those questions

 

[ThisIsMe]

How do you know all of this?... and even if its correct what does it matter?... First of all I sincerely doubt Charlie was cremated... that would be very surprising to me...

After kirks shooting, UVU dug up about 8 inches of dirt in the area and replaced it with paving stones. Seems an odd thing to do with what is still a crime scene

https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/workers-install-pavers-after-fatal-shooting-of-trump-ally-charlie-kirk-at-utah-university/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1JDMkVTR0FPQVFDNA

 

[ThisIsMe]

The guy in this video talks about his sponsor... he mentions clickbait... and then he goes into how he is such an expert... then he talks about an entrance wound... how did he see the entrance wound?... on a video?... then he says the round "should have been" powerful enough to shoot through bone... That would be when I would normally have turned him off... but I watched this guy till the end... he does not explain anything... he gives no evidence... he talks about different rounds but never mentions that rounds can be loaded differently... many hunters load their own rounds...
And then he starts talking about the clavicle... no one's body is exactly the same... then he says its great to have so many subscribers out there... Charlie was wearing a T-shirt... we would have seen a vest... the guy is full of crap... now I will watch your next clickbait video...

That video was more about how a clavicle deflection doesnt make sense. A 30-06 would shatter the collar bone. You would see a violent ejection at the site where the shot hit. Even then, the shot wouldnt hit collar bone and then do a 90 degree deflection upward into his neck. At best, the collar bone "might" alter the trajectory slightly. Remember, that round can move between 2500 and 3000 fps. Its going to obliterate bone

 

[Rambunctious]

After kirks shooting, UVU dug up about 8 inches of dirt in the area and replaced it with paving stones. Seems an odd thing to do with what is still a crime scene

https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/workers-install-pavers-after-fatal-shooting-of-trump-ally-charlie-kirk-at-utah-university/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1JDMkVTR0FPQVFDNA

Not really... and that would mean the school and the FBI and local police are all in on it... just doesn't make sense to me... ballistic reports would need to be covered up... that would take dozens of people on that alone... and why?... when someone famous gets shot like John Lennon for example people went there to the scene and broke up the concrete and tried to sell it... they tried to cut away iron gates at the scene...

 

[buttercup]

After kirks shooting, UVU dug up about 8 inches of dirt in the area and replaced it with paving stones. Seems an odd thing to do with what is still a crime scene

https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/workers-install-pavers-after-fatal-shooting-of-trump-ally-charlie-kirk-at-utah-university/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1JDMkVTR0FPQVFDNA

They started tampering with the crime scene immediately. Immediately removing the camera that was right behind him, taking out the SD card, and cleaning up the area, etc. Nothing about the whole thing adds up. And tons of people have been saying that.... at least outside of USMB.

 

[ThisIsMe]

ThisIsMe these guys are doing this for hits on their sites... they go on and on and on... and then say words like "probably"... they give no other explanation... youtube videos are big bucks these days... the longer you can keep people watching the more ads you can sell... and more sponsors you can attract which is the real money... So be careful bro... don't get caught up in conspiracy theories....

Agreed, and thats what makes them more credible. The ones like outside the overton and paramount tactical are just trying to make sense of the video they have. Those guys are not saying "this IS exactly what happened", they are saying things like "maybe" and "probably" because they admit they dont know exactly what happened, but they are giving their analysis based on their field of expertise, which is being former snipers.

However, in their hours of video, they bring up questions to the official story, which doesnt make sense based on thing they see after many hours of analyzing video from multiple angles. Enough that the official story of a front shot using a 30-06 is very suspect.

Also, they are not making money on these videos. Pretty much all of them are demonotized because of the graphic nature of the content.

 

[Rambunctious]

That video was more about how a clavicle deflection doesnt make sense. A 30-06 would shatter the collar bone. You would see a violent ejection at the site where the shot hit. Even then, the shot wouldnt hit collar bone and then do a 90 degree deflection upward into his neck. At best, the collar bone "might" alter the trajectory slightly. Remember, that round can move between 2500 and 3000 fps. Its going to obliterate bone

It will take a lot more than a youtube video to convince me that it was more than what we all witnessed... his best friends stood just feet away from him as he was shot...

 

[ThisIsMe]

They started tampering with the crime scene immediately. Immediately removing the camera that was right behind him, taking out the SD card, and cleaning up the area, etc. Nothing about the whole thing adds up. And tons of people have been saying that.... at least outside of USMB.

Yes, TPUSA has the hi-res video that shows it all. There were cameras on 3 sides

 

[Leo123]

Then there is this...

Charlie Survived Chest Shot With Bulletproof Vest but Ricochet Struck His Neck

Shot in the chest, saved by a vest—but why did the bullet ricochet into Charlie’s neck? Twist of fate or sniper precision? Click to uncover the shocking details.

www.hypefresh.com

 

[ThisIsMe]

It will take a lot more than a youtube video to convince me that it was more than what we all witnessed... his best friends stood just feet away from him as he was shot...

Look at the force a 30-06 bullet will cause. It will pass through human flesh and bone easily.

A 30-06 round can pass through a deer which has a much tougher hide, and much denser muscle than a human. If what we saw was indeed the entry wound, there would have been an exit wound. As of now, we dont see that. So, it either debunks the position of the shooter or the caliber of weapon he used. Either way, that narrative doesnt add up.

 

[Rambunctious]

Look at the force a 30-06 bullet will cause. It will pass through human flesh and bone easily.

A 30-06 round can pass through a deer which has a much tougher hide, and much denser muscle than a human. If what we saw was indeed the entry wound, there would have been an exit wound. As of now, we dont see that. So, it either debunks the position of the shooter or the caliber of weapon he used. Either way, that narrative doesnt add up.

How do you know there wasn't an exit wound?... and a 30 06 round can slow for a myriad of reasons like hitting a small branch in a tree on the way to the target... which could explain why the shot did not hit his head... there are just too many factors not considered in the videos...
And this theory that he was in a vest I don't get... I watched him walk onto the platform in a white T-shirt... I saw no vest...