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Instead of discussing the Eucharist,
Whats to discuss?

The eucharist is not the Actual Body of Christ. There is no such thing as transubstantiation.

The Actual Body of Christ consists of words that form the Body of his teaching, words from God that must be heard and understood to receive the life in them. Words cannot be eaten.

What you eat by mouth you flush down the toilet. Its a 4th century Roman joke defying the Hebrew God and desecrating the words of Jesus. From their perspective, it is pretty funny.

End of discussion.
 
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And this has what to do with Carlo Acutis? I take it you have no wish to discuss him and have tried five ways to change the topic. Want to try ten ways?
It shows I can provide more examples of righteous people who denied the eucharist and were murdered by your Church in the same exact ways Rome murdered early Christians.

Coincidence? I don't think so.
 
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Whats to discuss?

The eucharist is not the Actual Body of Christ. There is no such thing as transubstantiation.

The Actual Body of Christ consists of words that form the Body of his teaching, words from God that must be heard and understood to receive the life in them. Words cannot be eaten.

What you eat by mouth you flush down the toilet. Its a 4th century Roman joke defying the Hebrew God and desecrating the words of Jesus. From their perspective, it is pretty funny.

End of discussion.
Okay. The end of the discussion is your call as you admit you can't perceive anything but that which is in your own mind.
 
Okay. The end of the discussion is your call as you admit you can't perceive anything but that which is in your own mind.
Wrong. I see and smell the garbage coming out of your mind so I threw it into Gehenna, where trash discarded by more highly evolved creatures smolders rots and is eaten by creepy things that creep swine vermin and every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird.

ITS NOT KOSHER!
 
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It shows I can provide more examples of righteous people who denied the eucharist and were murdered by your Church in the same exact ways Rome murdered early Christians.

Coincidence? I don't think so.
I know you don't. You didn't even bother to read further about Joan of Arc.
 
Wrong. I see and smell the garbage coming out of your mind and threw it into Gehenna.

ITS NOT KOSHER!
Any more insults? (Keep in mind personal insults are also an admission one concedes the discussion. How emphatic will your concession be? ;) )
 
So, according to you, idolatry was not forever condemned by God?
Correct. Jewish men did. God does not condemn what he creates. You have a poor opinion of God.
Even though you are the perfect example of a numbskull under a curse, the death, for practicing idolatry? Wow.
That's you lashing out.
Fascinating! You may not realize this, go figure!, but your own words have condemned you. Real good.
I don't believe so. Judaism - which is what you are basing your belief upon - teaches there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin.
 
Any more insults? (Keep in mind personal insults are also an admission one concedes the discussion. How emphatic will your concession be? ;) )
I'm sorry if you feel insulted by me saying the truth that WORDS from God cannot be eaten.

I would feel pretty stupid too.
 
No. The absurd false irrational delusional ignorant superstitious interpretations of the words and subjects in the Gospels are the bastard children of Paul and Rome, the scarlet beast.
How do you explain this?

Based on biblical accounts and historical tradition, Peter’s ministry was centered in Jerusalem in the early 30s AD, before expanding to regional missions in Judea and Samaria, and finally to Antioch and Rome. Key dates for his missionary actions include:
  • 30 AD (Pentecost): Peter begins his ministry in Jerusalem, preaching to thousands.
  • c. 34–35 AD (Samaria and Coastal Plain): Peter journeys to Samaria to confirm new believers (Acts 8) and later preaches in Lydda and Joppa, where he raises Tabitha from the dead.
  • c. 35–40 AD (Caesarea): Peter visits the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea, leading to the baptism of the first Gentile converts.
  • c. 44 AD: Peter is imprisoned by Herod Agrippa in Jerusalem but escapes.
  • c. 48–49 AD (Antioch): Peter travels to Antioch, where he interacts with Paul (referred to in Galatians 2).
  • 49–50 AD (Jerusalem Council): Peter plays a key role in the Council of Jerusalem, affirming the Gentile mission.
  • Late 50s–60s AD (Missionary Travels): Evidence suggests Peter traveled to regions in Asia Minor (mentioned in 1 Peter 1:1, such as Cappadocia, Galatia, and Bithynia).
  • c. 60–64 AD (Rome): Peter travels to Rome, where he leads the church, writes his epistles, and is eventually martyred, likely in 64–68 AD.
Paul's missionary actions spanned roughly from the mid-40s AD to the mid-60s AD, encompassing three major journeys: the first around 45-47 AD (Asia Minor/Cyprus), the second from 49-52 AD (Macedonia/Greece), and the third from 53-58 AD (Ephesus/Asia Minor), followed by imprisonments in Judea and Rome, and further post-release travels before his martyrdom around 67 AD.
Here's a breakdown of his key missionary periods:
  • Conversion & Early Ministry: Around 32-37 AD, Paul converted on the Damascus Road, followed by time in Arabia and Tarsus.
  • First Missionary Journey: ~45-47 AD, with Barnabas, to Cyprus and Asia Minor (Acts 13-14).
  • Second Missionary Journey: ~49-52 AD, with Silas, through Asia Minor, Macedonia, and Greece (Acts 15-18).
  • Third Missionary Journey: ~53-58 AD, focusing heavily on Ephesus and then revisiting Greek churches (Acts 18-21).
  • Imprisonment & Final Travels: Arrested in Jerusalem (~58 AD), held in Caesarea (58-60 AD), shipwrecked to Rome (61 AD), house arrest in Rome (61-63 AD), followed by possible travels to Spain and Crete before a final Roman imprisonment and martyrdom (~67 AD).
John the Apostle (son of Zebedee) had a long, multi-stage ministry timeline:
  • Initial Ministry: Called to discipleship around AD 26-27.
  • Post-Ascension: Active in Jerusalem and Samaria (e.g., with Peter, Acts 8) around AD 35.
  • Council of Jerusalem: Present in AD 49/50.
  • Ministry in Asia Minor: Based in Ephesus, supervising churches from approximately AD 66 onwards.
  • Exile to Patmos: Exiled by Emperor Domitian, generally placed around AD 94–96.
  • Return & Death: Returned to Ephesus in AD 96, dying around AD 98–100.
James the Greater (son of Zebedee) conducted his main missionary actions between the death/resurrection of Jesus (c. 30–33 AD) and his martyrdom in 44 AD.
Key details regarding the timeline of his actions:
  • Active Ministry: Following Christ's resurrection, it is believed he was sent out to spread the message, specifically traveling to Hispania (the Iberian Peninsula/modern-day Spain).
  • Leadership in Jerusalem: He was a, if not the, chief leader in the early Jerusalem church.
  • Death: He was beheaded by order of King Herod Agrippa I in 44 AD.
James led the Jerusalem church from around A.D. 44 until his martyrdom in 62 CE, with his missionary actions focusing heavily on Jewish Christians and overseeing the crucial Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) around A.D. 49, affirming the inclusion of Gentiles, and writing his letter (c. 45-48) emphasizing practical faith.

Key Periods & Actions:
  • Post-Resurrection (c. 30s-40s AD): Initially skeptical, James converted after seeing the resurrected Christ (1 Corinthians 15:7) and became a key leader in Jerusalem by A.D. 44, taking prominence after Peter's departure.
  • Jerusalem Council (c. A.D. 49): He presided and affirmed that Gentile converts didn't need full adherence to Mosaic Law, a pivotal missionary decision (Acts 15).
  • Epistle of James (c. 45-48 AD): Wrote his letter, focusing on Jewish Christians, stressing faith demonstrated through works, likely before the Council, notes Insight for Living.
  • Leadership in Jerusalem (40s-60s AD): He ministered primarily to Jewish Christians in Jerusalem, serving as a unifying figure.
  • Martyrdom (62 CE): Martyred by Jewish authorities during the high priesthood of Ananus, as recorded by Josephus.
Focus of Ministry:
  • James's missionary work centered on guiding the nascent Christian community in Jerusalem, bridging Jewish and Gentile believers while maintaining strong ties to Jewish tradition
Matthew's missionary dates aren't precise, but tradition says he preached in Palestine after Pentecost, then left for lands like Syria, Persia, and Ethiopia, dying as a martyr (around 60s-70s AD, possibly in Ethiopia). His Gospel was likely written in the late 50s to 80s AD, either before or after leaving Palestine, to preserve Jesus's teachings, with many scholars favoring a post-70 AD date.

Key Periods & Traditions:
  • Early Ministry (Post-Pentecost): Tradition holds Matthew first preached in Jerusalem and Palestine to Jewish converts before departing.
  • Departure to Other Lands: He traveled to Syria, Media, Persia, Parthia, and Ethiopia, but the exact date of this departure is unknown.
  • Gospel Writing:
    • Earlier View (c. 55-65 AD): Some suggest he wrote his Gospel in Aramaic in Palestine for Jewish Christians, possibly around the time of Paul's ministry in Rome.
    • Later View (c. 80-90 AD): Most scholars date the Greek Gospel later, after the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple (70 AD), as it reflects a Jewish-Gentile Christian community's needs.
  • Martyrdom: Believed to have died a martyr, possibly in Ethiopia, but the date is unknown.
In summary, Matthew's missionary activities spanned from the earliest days of the Church in Jerusalem outward, with his Gospel serving as a crucial record for scattered Christians, likely written in the latter half of the 1st century.

St. Thomas' missionary dates center around his legendary journey to India, traditionally beginning around 52 AD in Kerala and culminating in his martyrdom near Chennai (Mylapore) in 72 AD, after spreading Christianity to India and Persia, though exact dates are debated by historians. He established seven churches in Kerala and converted many before his death, marking the beginning of the St. Thomas Christians tradition.

Key Timeline Points (Traditional):
  • c. 52 AD: Arrives in Muziris (Cranganore), Kerala, India, beginning his missionary work in India.
  • c. 68 AD: Travels to Eastern India (near modern Chennai).
  • c. 72 AD: Martyred (speared) at Mylapore, near Chennai.
Details of his Mission:
  • Regions: Tradition suggests he traveled through Parthia (Persia) and India, establishing communities.
  • Kerala: Credited with founding seven churches in Kerala, India, and converting families, including upper castes.
  • Chennai: Preached and established churches, eventually martyred for converting royalty.
Historical Context:
  • While traditions are strong, the historical visit of St. Thomas is debated by scholars, but the enduring St. Thomas Christian communities in India preserve this history.
The Church of the apostolic period experienced explosive numerical growth. Within a short time of its founding, the number of men who believed in Christ "reached nearly five thousand" (Acts 4:4). Green (1970, 13) states that ten years after Christ's resurrection and ascension there were churches not only in Jerusalem but also in Alexandria and Antioch. According to Bokkenkotter (2004, 18), by the end of the first century AD there were at least 40 churches in North Africa, Asia Minor, Arabia and Greece.
 
I'm sorry if you feel insulted by me telling you the fact that WORDS from God cannot be eaten.

I would feel pretty stupid too.
No, you're not. You are doing what you do because it makes you feel good.
 
Instead of discussing the Eucharist, he wants to switch the topic to a student of Lutheran beliefs who was committing heresy against the Catholic Church with his Lutheran beliefs. At that time, there was no separation of Church and State. The Church handed him over to the State, and he was executed. Would the Church do the same today? No. Would the State? No.

Maybe he wants to say since the Church has, over five hundred years, changed its mind about heresy and how it should be punished, he wants to argue that the Church should, after over two thousand years, change its mind about the Eucharist and Eucharistic miracles?
Exactly.
Or, it may be because he has no leg to stand on when it comes to the Eucharist.
All of the above
 
Or, it may be because he has no leg to stand on when it comes to the Eucharist.
Seriously?

The Law and all the Prophets, Jesus and the Gospels, confirm that material objects cannot be imbued with or grant spiritual life. Its above your grasp because the guilt of your vile sin remains. If what Jesus said about Kosher Law is the truth, that what goes into your mouth cannot defile you, then the converse is true, what goes into your mouth cannot sanctify you.

This is irrefutable.

Try to think! If it is wrong to worship the stars the sun moon people animals trees, what God made, how much more wrong, even evil, is it to worship what is made by human hands?
 
No its not the same at all.
Of course, it is. You're trying to claim Catholics worship the Communion artifacts when it is clearly obvious that they do not, they worship the One the artifacts represent. You can stop protesting that now.
Do you express love for and devotion to your wife by eating her in the form of a cracker?
No, but I would commemorate her loss had she known she would die, we shared a final meal together and she asked me to replicate a part of that meal by which to remember her. See, this is where your ignorance comes into play. Communion is not an expression of love and devotion; it is a celebration and remembrance of Christ's sacrifice.
 
Seriously?

The Law and all the Prophets, Jesus and the Gospels, confirm that material objects cannot be imbued with or grant spiritual life. Its above your grasp because the guilt of your vile sin remains. If what Jesus said about Kosher Law is the truth, that what goes into your mouth cannot defile you, then the converse is true, what goes into your mouth cannot sanctify you.

This is irrefutable.

Try to think! If it is wrong to worship the stars the sun moon people animals trees, what God made, how much more wrong, even evil, is it to worship what is made by human hands?
Judaism teaches there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin. Clearly this is about something else with you.
 
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Judaism teaches there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin.
Wrong. For if a person sins willfully after they have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for their sins, only a terrifying expectation of judgment.
 
Of course, it is. You're trying to claim Catholics worship the Communion artifacts when it is clearly obvious that they do not, they worship the One the artifacts represent.
Wrong again.

Catholics don't worship communion artifacts, whatever that is. They believe that bread made by human hands becomes the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ and worship and eat that for spiritual life. If you don't believe me read the catechism written for 8 year olds.
 
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