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Not according to scripture. The Law was given as "a light to the nations" meaning it's instruction is for everyone.

No.

The phrase "a light to the nations" (Or LaGoyim) originates from the writings of the prophet Isaiah. It describes the divine calling for Israel to showcase God's justice, moral law, and ethical truths to the entire world. [1, 2, 3]
The interpretation of this concept varies across traditions:

• Judaism: The instruction (Torah) and moral framework are seen as a guide for all humanity. This mission is often fulfilled in two ways: through the exemplary, ethical behavior of the Jewish people acting as a moral beacon, and by serving as an open, healing community. Many sages emphasize that righteous non-Jews (Bnei Noah) also have a direct path to the Divine and the World to Come (Olam Haba). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Christianity: The ultimate fulfillment of this light is frequently attributed to the Messiah and the universal spread of the Gospel. In the New Testament, figures like Simeon explicitly identify the infant Jesus as the "light for revelation to the Gentiles," bringing salvation to the ends of the earth. [1, 2, 3]

Jesus of course.

No. You use sophistry to lead others away from Christ.

 

[hobelim]

Jewish law applies to Jews.

Not according to scripture. The Law was given as "a light to the nations" meaning it's instruction is for everyone.

Who taught you this stuff?

Jesus of course.

 

[Meriweather]

Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra's body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull.

Carlo Acutis

 

[hobelim]

Your conspiracy theory is off by a hundred years.

Mithraism was introduced earlier on, in Hellenistic circles, during Pompey’s campaigns in the first century BC, but it was under the dynasty of the Severi that this somewhat fascinating and mysterious cult grew in followers. One of the reasons why it became so notorious is probably because Mithraism possesses the elements that make it similar to a spiritual current rather initiatory, and therefore, managed to hit the sensitivity of the Roman world at a delicate moment in its history. You forget that it was the secret MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military until it assimilated and perverted Christianity.

The cult of Mithras in Rome. The underground places of worship – Scuola Romit

At a particular stage of its history, Rome, the city [...]

scuolaromit.com

 

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Not according to scripture. The Law was given as "a light to the nations" meaning it's instruction is for everyone.


Jesus of course.

Why do you keep deleting your posts. Is that something from sophistry 101?

 

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Mithraism was introduced earlier on, in Hellenistic circles, during Pompey’s campaigns in the first century BC, but it was under the dynasty of the Severi that this somewhat fascinating and mysterious cult grew in followers. One of the reasons why it became so notorious is probably because Mithraism possesses the elements that make it similar to a spiritual current rather initiatory, and therefore, managed to hit the sensitivity of the Roman world at a delicate moment in its history.

The cult of Mithras in Rome. The underground places of worship – Scuola Romit

At a particular stage of its history, Rome, the city [...]

scuolaromit.com

Note: The Roman cult is often referred to as "The Mysteries of Mithras," which is different from the ancient Persian worship of the same deity. [1, 2, 3]

 

[hobelim]

Carlo Acutis

Pomponio Algerio

 

[hobelim]

Note: The Roman cult is often referred to as "The Mysteries of Mithras," which is different from the ancient Persian worship of the same deity. [1, 2, 3]

So what. It began in India or Persia, traveled through Babylon, Greece and then Rome then spread around the world under the guise of Christianity.

 

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So what. It began in India or Persia, traveled through Babylon, Greece and then Rome then spread around the world under the guise of Christianity.

Supposition and sophistry. Your timeline is off. Paul met the risen Christ and made the resurrection the cornerstone of Christian theology. Paul had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Paul is a credible witness.

 

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Pomponio Algerio

So what?

 

[hobelim]

No.

The phrase "a light to the nations" (Or LaGoyim) originates from the writings of the prophet Isaiah. It describes the divine calling for Israel to showcase God's justice, moral law, and ethical truths to the entire world. [1, 2, 3]
The interpretation of this concept varies across traditions:

• Judaism: The instruction (Torah) and moral framework are seen as a guide for all humanity. This mission is often fulfilled in two ways: through the exemplary, ethical behavior of the Jewish people acting as a moral beacon, and by serving as an open, healing community. Many sages emphasize that righteous non-Jews (Bnei Noah) also have a direct path to the Divine and the World to Come (Olam Haba). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Christianity: The ultimate fulfillment of this light is frequently attributed to the Messiah and the universal spread of the Gospel. In the New Testament, figures like Simeon explicitly identify the infant Jesus as the "light for revelation to the Gentiles," bringing salvation to the ends of the earth. [1, 2, 3]

No. You use sophistry to lead others away from Christ.

When Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. No, they put it on a lamp stand so that EVERYONE in the room can see." He was making a direct reference to the Law being given as a light to the nations, meaning EVERYONE. At the time the hidden meaning of the Law was being kept secret from even Jewish laity.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.

(Dead Sea Scrolls, Manual of Discipline)

 

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When Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. No, they put it on a lamp stand so that EVERYONE in the room can see." He was making a direct reference to the Law being given as a light to the nations, meaning EVERYONE. At the time the hidden meaning of the Law was being kept secret from even Jewish laity.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.

(Dead Sea Scrolls, Manual of Discipline)

Sophistry.

 

[hobelim]

Paul met the risen Christ and made the resurrection the cornerstone of Christian theology. Paul had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Paul is a credible witness.

Paul was a rabid anti-Christian persecutor, a Pharisee, who was present and in agreement with the stoning of Stephen, the first martyr. He exhorted Christians to submit to the ruling authorities OR ELSE, when Nero was caesar, 4 years before he began the first of many ruthless persecutions. He pretended to lose his visual sight, fumbled around for a few days and then claimed to regain his sight. The apostles must have had a hard time trying not to laugh knowing that Jesus healed a blindness of perception, not sight. Paul was acting, lying about "seeing", trying to infiltrate the inner circle in order to bury the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy - he abolished the Law, he claimed to be God, etc., - which insured the Jewish people would dismiss Jesus out of hand and curse the gentile nations.

 

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Paul was a rabid anti-christian persecutor, a Pharisee, who was present and in agreement with the stoning of Stephen, the first martyr. He exhorted Christians to submit to the ruling authorities OR ELSE, when Nero was caesar, 4 years before he began the first of many ruthless persecutions. He pretended to lose his visual sight, fumbled around for a few days and then claimed to regain his sight. The apostles must have had a hard time trying not to laugh knowing that Jesus healed a blindness of perception, not sight. Paul was acting, lying about "seeing", trying to infiltrate the inner circle in order to bury the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy - he abolished the Law, he claimed to be God, etc., - which insured the Jewish people would dismiss Jesus out of hand and curse the gentile nations.

Supposition and sophistry but solidly in the camp of conspiracy theory. Were the gospels a product of Paul's lying?

 

[hobelim]

Carlo Acutis

• John Frith (1503–1533): An English Protestant scholar and writer, he was condemned for heresy and burned at the stake by authorities, primarily for his opposition to the doctrines of purgatory and transubstantiation. [1]
• Marguerite Porete (c. 1250–1310): A French mystic and author of The Mirror of Simple Souls, she was burned at the stake by the Inquisition in Paris after her writings were deemed to suggest that the soul could ignore the Church and its sacraments, including the Eucharist. [1]
• The Cathars (13th & 14th Centuries): During the medieval Albigensian Crusades and the subsequent Inquisition, thousands of Cathars (who rejected the physical sacraments of the Church) were killed. A notable mass execution occurred in 1244 when over 200 Cathars were burned at the stake at Montségur. [1, 2]
• Joan of Arc (1412–1431): Most famously executed by an English ecclesiastical tribunal that acted as a wing of the Inquisition, she was burned at the stake after being convicted of heresy and cross-dressing, a trial deeply entangled in the Eucharistic and sacramental controversies of the era. [1]

 

[hobelim]

God didn't condemn idolaters. Jewish men did. So, no.

So, according to you, idolatry was not forever condemned by God? Even though you are the perfect example of a numbskull under a curse, the death, for practicing idolatry? Wow.

Fascinating!

You may not realize this, go figure!, but your own words have condemned you. Real good.

 

[hobelim]

Were the gospels a product of Paul's lying?

No. The absurd false irrational delusional ignorant superstitious interpretations of the words and subjects in the Gospels are the bastard children of Paul and Rome, the scarlet beast.

 

[Meriweather]

So what?

Instead of discussing the Eucharist, he wants to switch the topic to a student of Lutheran beliefs who was committing heresy against the Catholic Church with his Lutheran beliefs. At that time, there was no separation of Church and State. The Church handed him over to the State, and he was executed. Would the Church do the same today? No. Would the State? No.

Maybe he wants to say since the Church has, over five hundred years, changed its mind about heresy and how it should be punished, he wants to argue that the Church should, after over two thousand years, change its mind about the Eucharist and Eucharistic miracles?

Or, it may be because he has no leg to stand on when it comes to the Eucharist.

 

[Meriweather]

• John Frith (1503–1533): An English Protestant scholar and writer, he was condemned for heresy and burned at the stake by authorities, primarily for his opposition to the doctrines of purgatory and transubstantiation. [1]
• Marguerite Porete (c. 1250–1310): A French mystic and author of The Mirror of Simple Souls, she was burned at the stake by the Inquisition in Paris after her writings were deemed to suggest that the soul could ignore the Church and its sacraments, including the Eucharist. [1]
• The Cathars (13th & 14th Centuries): During the medieval Albigensian Crusades and the subsequent Inquisition, thousands of Cathars (who rejected the physical sacraments of the Church) were killed. A notable mass execution occurred in 1244 when over 200 Cathars were burned at the stake at Montségur. [1, 2]
• Joan of Arc (1412–1431): Most famously executed by an English ecclesiastical tribunal that acted as a wing of the Inquisition, she was burned at the stake after being convicted of heresy and cross-dressing, a trial deeply entangled in the Eucharistic and sacramental controversies of the era. [1]

And this has what to do with Carlo Acutis? I take it you have no wish to discuss him and have tried five ways to change the topic. Want to try ten ways?

 

[Meriweather]

End of discussion.

In other words you cannot discuss the topic and any belief about the Eucharist other than your own belief. You are right. There is no discussion with a closed mind.