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[hobelim]

Again, is Jesus "The Christ" to the millions of people his Church healed and potentially saved through their healthcare system?


You don't need to have dogmatic or even spiritual beliefs to call Jesus The Christ - knowledge of his works and the works of his Church should be evidence enough.

Great post.

However you seem to have left out the minor detail that the church professes to believe that Jesus was God in human form which is both a logical and biblical impossibility if one accepts the teaching of the Law and the Prophets which unequivocally states that God is Spirit, not human, and the common knowledge that anyone who claims to be God is at best insane. Jesus claimed to speak for God who told him what two say and how to say it, therefore any comment like "before Abraham was born I am" it is God speaking through Jesus which does not make Jesus God anymore than any prophet who spoke for God was God. Jesus even told his disciples to not worry about what to say when brought before "authorities" because it will be the Spirit of their Father in Heaven speaking through them.

That being said I know that many Catholics friends and family etc., are not assholes like ding. In fact I also know from experience that many priests and members of the clergy are sincerely devoted to Christ and have been waiting with their ear to the ground for their entire lives hoping to hear the voice of reason, the Spirit of truth, in order to see Jesus face to face.

So yes, I agree that Jesus is the Christ, but not that he was God. Your church teaching that the Body of Christ can be made by human hands and eaten is the epitome of idolatry, a sin under penalty of death, a curse, (not to mention stupid), So your church churns out idolators and then when many just don't have what it takes to be a phony for life become destitute your church steps in to serve soup or care for the sick and mentally ill that they have created.

Thats like a fireman starting a fire hoping to be perceived as a hero for trying to put it out.

The truth is that with a stroke of a pen the Pope can abolish this practice of celebrating human sacrifice of "the Christ", an innocent man, the Jewish Messiah, to a Roman trinity which would do more good for the billions of rich or poor healthy or sick practicing or lapsed Catholics than all the soup kitchens, shelters, and hospitals in the entire world combined.

 

[ding]

Great post.

However you seem to have left out the minor detail that the church professes to believe that Jesus was God in human form which is both a logical and biblical impossibility if one accepts the teaching of the Law and the Prophets which unequivocally states that God is Spirit, not human, and the common knowledge that anyone who claims to be God is at best insane. Jesus claimed to speak for God who told him what two say and how to say it, therefore any comment like "before Abraham was born I am" it is God speaking through Jesus which does not make Jesus God anymore than any prophet who spoke for God was God. Jesus even told his disciples to not worry about what to say when brought before "authorities" because it will be the Spirit of their Father in Heaven speaking through them.

That being said I know that many Catholics friends and family etc., are not assholes like ding. In fact I also know from experience that many priests and members of the clergy are sincerely devoted to Christ and have been waiting with their ear to the ground for their entire lives hoping to hear the voice of reason, the Spirit of truth, in order to see Jesus face to face.

So yes, I agree that Jesus is the Christ, but not that he was God. Your church teaching that the Body of Christ can be made by human hands and eaten is the epitome of idolatry, a sin under penalty of death, a curse, (not to mention stupid), So your church churns out idolators and then when many just don't have what it takes to be a phony for life become destitute your church steps in to serve soup or care for the sick and mentally ill that they have created.

Thats like a fireman starting a fire hoping to be perceived as a hero for trying to put it out.

The truth is that with a stroke of a pen the Pope can abolish this practice of celebrating human sacrifice of "the Christ", an innocent man, the Jewish Messiah, to a Roman trinity which would do more good for the billions of rich or poor healthy or sick practicing or lapsed Catholics than all the soup kitchens, shelters, and hospitals in the entire world combined.

It's because I'm Catholic that you treat me with disrespect. You're a joke.

 

[ding]

The truth is that with a stroke of a pen the Pope can abolish this practice of celebrating human sacrifice of "the Christ", an innocent man, the Jewish Messiah, to a Roman trinity which would do more good for the billions of rich or poor healthy or sick practicing or lapsed Catholics than all the soup kitchens, shelters, and hospitals in the entire world combined.

When Jesus says, take, eat, this is my body. I believe him.
When Jesus says, take, drink, this is my blood. I believe him.

So did the very first Christians who witnessed his miracles and resurrection from the dead.

 

[hobelim]

You have two choices:

Continue to drink from the cup of wrath - and your words will create madness and discord.

Ahem. Jesus, a Jewish man, is the guy who said he came to bring a sword, a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, to SMITE "the nations". The madness and discord and "division" within the nations who drank deep of the fierce wine of your churches fornication with every pagan religion on earth and the crimes against humanity committed is a matter of historical record.

Or drink from the cup of Christ so that your words will heal and bring life.

No. I already lifted "the curse" that Jesus placed on "the nations" putting an end to death for all those who hear the Spirit of truth, eat the flesh of Jesus, accept his WORDS from God, and drink his blood, act on that teaching and do it.

Life is in the blood, In the doing.

 

[hobelim]

When Jesus says, take, eat, this is my body. I believe him.
When Jesus says, take, drink, this is my blood. I believe him.

Sure you do.

But you don't believe Jesus when he said that his WORDS are both Spirit and life, (John 6:63) not flesh, much less bread made by human hands, and the disciples confirmed their belief in Jesus when he asked if they would leave him too after explaining what he meant by saying "eat my flesh" and Simon Peter replied, "Lord to whom shall we go? Your WORDS are WORDS of eternal life. We have faith and know that you are the Holy One of God." (Jn 6:68)

Jesus himself established bread as a metaphor for teaching when he said, "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees." Then they discussed this among themselves and concluded, “It is because we did not bring any bread? Jesus heard their murmuring and said, "How can you fail to see that I was not speaking about bread" Then the disciples UNDERSTOOD that Jesus was saying beware of the teaching of the pharisees not bakers bread. Double derp.

The Actual Body of Christ consists of WORDS, the body of his teaching from "the Father".

I know its not mystifying but it is revealed truth. Sorry, Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[hobelim]

Who is "brazenly defying the Law of God and desecrating the teachings of Jesus?"

That would be you thanks to your Church who teaches that by practicing idolatry, seeking spiritual life from lifeless bead made by human hands, one can escape the penalty, death, a curse, for practicing idolatry.



Rube.

Now you know.

 

[Ace Nova]

Great post.

However you seem to have left out the minor detail that the church professes to believe that Jesus was God in human form which is both a logical and biblical impossibility if one accepts the teaching of the Law and the Prophets which unequivocally states that God is Spirit, not human, and the common knowledge that anyone who claims to be God is at best insane. Jesus claimed to speak for God who told him what two say and how to say it, therefore any comment like "before Abraham was born I am" it is God speaking through Jesus which does not make Jesus God anymore than any prophet who spoke for God was God. Jesus even told his disciples to not worry about what to say when brought before "authorities" because it will be the Spirit of their Father in Heaven speaking through them.

That being said I know that many Catholics friends and family etc., are not assholes like ding. In fact I also know from experience that many priests and members of the clergy are sincerely devoted to Christ and have been waiting with their ear to the ground for their entire lives hoping to hear the voice of reason, the Spirit of truth, in order to see Jesus face to face.

So yes, I agree that Jesus is the Christ, but not that he was God. Your church teaching that the Body of Christ can be made by human hands and eaten is the epitome of idolatry, a sin under penalty of death, a curse, (not to mention stupid), So your church churns out idolators and then when many just don't have what it takes to be a phony for life become destitute your church steps in to serve soup or care for the sick and mentally ill that they have created.

Thats like a fireman starting a fire hoping to be perceived as a hero for trying to put it out.

The truth is that with a stroke of a pen the Pope can abolish this practice of celebrating human sacrifice of "the Christ", an innocent man, the Jewish Messiah, to a Roman trinity which would do more good for the billions of rich or poor healthy or sick practicing or lapsed Catholics than all the soup kitchens, shelters, and hospitals in the entire world combined.

Matthew 19:

26. Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


As for the fire analogy - Billy Joel explains it well:

 

[Ace Nova]

That would be you thanks to your Church who teaches that by practicing idolatry, seeking spiritual life from lifeless bead made by human hands, one can escape the penalty, death, a curse, for practicing idolatry.

Rube.

Now you know.

Matthew 19:

26. Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

 

[hobelim]

Matthew 19:

26. Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Listen dude. There is only one way up. Perpetuating the lie that spiritual life can be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food is at best delusional.

If not flat out demonic.

Get a grip.

 

[ding]

Sure you do.

But you don't believe Jesus when he said that his WORDS are both Spirit and life, (John 6:63) not flesh, much less bread made by human hands, and the disciples confirmed their belief in Jesus when he asked if they would leave him too after explaining what he meant by saying "eat my flesh" and Simon Peter replied, "Lord to whom shall we go? Your WORDS are WORDS of eternal life. We have faith and know that you are the Holy One of God." (Jn 6:68)

Jesus himself established bread as a metaphor for teaching when he said, "Beware the leaven of the Pharisees." Then they discussed this among themselves and concluded, “It is because we did not bring any bread? Jesus heard their murmuring and said, "How can you fail to see that I was not speaking about bread" Then the disciples UNDERSTOOD that Jesus was saying beware of the teaching of the pharisees not bakers bread. Double derp.

The Actual Body of Christ consists of WORDS, the body of his teaching from "the Father".

I know its not mystifying but it is revealed truth. Sorry, Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

You aren't the first person to be shocked by Jesus' command to eat his flesh and drink his blood. He lost a lot of disciples over that command.

1. Jesus said he was the bread of life and whoever ate this bread would have eternal life. John 6:48-51
2. The Jews quarreled and said how can this man give us his flesh to eat. John 6:52
3. So rather than softening his stance he doubled down and said very clearly, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:53
4. Afterwards his disciples said, this is hard to take. John 6:60
5. Jesus asked them, does this shock you. John 6:61
6. Then Jesus explained that it is the spirit that gives life. The flesh is of no avail. John 6:62-63
7. But they didn't believe in Jesus and they couldn't accept what he was saying because it shocked them like it is shocking you. As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. John 6:64-65

He let disciples walk away rather than to soften his stance and make it symbolic. He was given an opportunity to soften it and instead he reinforced what he said by saying the flesh is of no avail.

 

[ding]

Listen dude. There is only one way up. Perpetuating the lie that spiritual life can be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food is at best delusional.

If not flat out demonic.

Get a grip.

unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:53

 

[Ace Nova]

No. I already lifted "the curse" that Jesus placed on "the nations" putting an end to death for all those who hear the Spirit of truth, eat the flesh of Jesus, accept his WORDS from God, and drink his blood, act on that teaching and do it.

Life is in the blood, In the doing.

It certainly can be.

Mother Teresa practiced her faith in "the doing". The extreme suffering of the world's sickest and poorest people - whom she cared for day after day - had a profound affect on her "inner" spiritual faith. She questioned how can a world under God have so much pain, suffering, persecution and hatred?

Although inwardly she may have questioned God and her faith - She exemplifies how true faith in God can manifest itself through selfless works and acts - even when one questions it all internally.

She overcame her inner doubts day after day and was a beacon of Light, Hope and Healing for many. She took the absolute most difficult path in life - choosing a life of physical poverty and selflessness - overcoming inner doubts, challenges and pain and manifesting them as courage, healing and life for the sickest of the sick and the poorest of the poor on Earth.

So yes, life can be in the doing. Can most take action and overcome the way Mother Teresa overcame?

 

[hobelim]

It certainly can be.

Mother Teresa practiced her faith in "the doing". The extreme suffering of the world's sickest and poorest people - whom she cared for day after day - had a profound affect on her "inner" spiritual faith. She questioned how can a world under God have so much pain, suffering, persecution and hatred?

Although inwardly she may have questioned God and her faith - She exemplifies how true faith in God can manifest itself through selfless works and acts - even when one questions it all internally.

She overcame her inner doubts day after day and was a beacon of Light, Hope and Healing for many. She took the absolute most difficult path in life - choosing a life of physical poverty and selflessness - overcoming inner doubts, challenges and pain and manifesting them as courage, healing and life for the sickest of the sick and the poorest of the poor on Earth.

So yes, life can be in the doing. Can most take action and overcome the way Mother Teresa overcame?

I have nothing negative to say about Mother Teresa or a man like Dietrich Bonhoeffer who IMHO did as good as humanly possible before the Parousia. Now people can do even better.

Jesus said, "If I had not come and spoken to you, you would not be guilty of sin" Now there is no longer any excuse for your sin. You have lots of work to do undoing the devils work.

Now off you go! Look busy! I heard Jesus is coming any minute! But thats just what I heard.

 

[hobelim]

unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:53

Dicking around with bread and wine and citing AI, lol, reveals that you have no life in you. You might as well be prancing around on a stage in a tutu. Who do you think you are fooling?

 

[ding]

Dicking around with bread and wine and citing AI, lol, reveals that you have no life in you. You might as well be prancing around on a stage in a tutu. Who do you think you are fooling?

Is that what you tell your Catholic friends?

You don't have enough faith in God if you don't believe he can turn bread and wine into his body and blood and make it still look and taste like bread and wine.

 

[ding]

Dicking around with bread and wine and citing AI, lol, reveals that you have no life in you. You might as well be prancing around on a stage in a tutu. Who do you think you are fooling?

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. ~Jesus

 

[ding]

Jesus said, "If I had not come and spoken to you, you would not be guilty of sin" Now there is no longer any excuse for your sin. You have lots of work to do undoing the devils work.

This quote is from John 15:22 (NIV), where Jesus explains that his arrival and teachings removed the excuse for sin among those who heard him. By revealing the truth directly, his words made their rebellion conscious and inexcusable, intensifying their accountability compared to if he had not appeared. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• Context: Jesus is addressing the hatred of the world toward him and his disciples.
• The Message: Before Jesus, the people were ignorant of the full nature of God's truth. With his direct speech, that ignorance vanished, making their rejection of him a conscious choice to sin. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• "No Excuse": He continues in John 15:23-24 to state that those who hate him also hate the Father, making their guilt direct and without defense. [1, 2, 3, 4]

This passage highlights that with greater spiritual revelation comes greater responsibility. [1, 2, 3]

 

[ding]

Who do you think you are fooling?

 

[Ace Nova]

Listen dude. There is only one way up. Perpetuating the lie that spiritual life can be made by human hands and then handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food is at best delusional.

If not flat out demonic.

Get a grip.

When Jesus was accused of healing (with his hands) by the power of Beelzebub - he went on to explain that if he was in fact healing by the power of the Adversary, that it would not endure because if "Satan drives out Satan" neither will survive.

"A house divided cannot stand"

But if his healing, teachings and works are from God - they will endure and accusations against him would be considered blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Are you accusing Jesus of "idolatry" by healing with "Human hands"?

 

[ding]

Ahem. Jesus, a Jewish man, is the guy who said he came to bring a sword, a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, to SMITE "the nations". The madness and discord and "division" within the nations who drank deep of the fierce wine of your churches fornication with every pagan religion on earth and the crimes against humanity committed is a matter of historical record.

You have cursed yourself and have gone mad.