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I can read anything I want I already have place and dont need some god with a Mexican name

So you’ve read non-canonical texts? Oh boy, your religion dooms you to eternal suffering.

 

[Hafar1014]

So you’ve read non-canonical texts? Oh boy, your religion dooms you to eternal suffering.

No it doesnt I dont need to be saved, I have no need fir dumbed down Christian idol Im doing just fine

 

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No it doesnt I dont need to be saved, I have no need fir dumbed down Christian idol Im doing just fine

According to the Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, while "All Israel have a share in the World to Come," certain specific beliefs and actions can result in the forfeiture of that share. Any Jew that maintains that the resurrection of the dead is not a doctrine derived from the Torah will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew that says the Torah is not from Heaven will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who denies the Torah, or treats Torah scholars and the Torah they teach with contempt will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who reads "external literature" (non-canonical/heretical books) will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who whispers healing incantations (specifically from Exodus 15:26) over a wound will not have a place in "The World to Come." Any Jew who pronounces the Ineffable Name of God as it is spelled will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah also mentions specific historical groups that have no share in the World-to-Come. The Generation of the Flood will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Dispersion (Tower of Babel) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Men of Sodom will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Spies (who brought back a negative report of the Land) will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Generation of the Wilderness will not have a place in "The World to Come." Korah's Assembly will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Ten (Lost) Tribes will not have a place in "The World to Come." The three Kings and Four Commoners - Specifically Jeroboam, Ahab, Manasseh, Balaam, Doeg, Ahithophel, and Gehazi - will not have a place in "The World to Come." The Mishnah in Sanhedrin 10:1, also clarifies that even if the aforementioned sinners have fulfilled many commandments (mitzvot), their actions of denial or heresy still lead to their not having a place in "The World to Come."

 

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No it doesnt I dont need to be saved, I have no need fir dumbed down Christian idol Im doing just fine

Judaism teaches that forfeiting a share in Olam Ha-Ba (the World to Come) means the soul cuts itself off from the ultimate spiritual connection with God (the Shekhinah), losing the afterlife reward meant for the righteous. It is a spiritual extinction or being "cut off" (Karet) because the person rejected the divine truth.

 

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No it doesnt I dont need to be saved, I have no need fir dumbed down Christian idol Im doing just fine

According to Judaism, Jews who forfeit their right to the World to Come (Olam Ha-Ba)—typically defined as the "utterly wicked" or those who deny core tenets—usually endure a 12-month purgation in Gehinnom (a spiritual forge). Afterward, they are either annihilated and cease to exist, or remain in a state of eternal remorse/damnation.

 

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No it doesnt I dont need to be saved, I have no need fir dumbed down Christian idol Im doing just fine

The funny thing about your religion is that the utterly wicked non-Jews will have a place in the world to come but you won’t because you read the gospels.

 

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No one needs anything written by anyone to know that anyone that claims to be God is at best insane.

And yet the gospels make a concerted effort to portray Jesus as God. How do you explain that?

 

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People like you have brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among the intelligent.

No. That would be you who claimed that Jesus cursed nations.

 

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Jesus said that God told him what to say and how to say it. He also told his disciples not to worry about what to say when brought before the authorities because it would be the Spirit of their Father speaking through them.

Yes, he did. So what? Because everything else he said and did that shows he is equal to God. That’s literally why he was crucified.

 

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So when Jesus said something like "before Abraham was born I am." he was not claiming to be God, God was making it clear that he was speaking through Jesus which did not make Jesus God anymore than God speaking through the disciples made them God.

Nope. That’s you perverting the gospels for your own sick purpose.

 

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Yes, he did. So what? Because you are arguing everything else he said and did that shows he is equal to God.

Jesus never claimed equality with God who has no equal.

He was accused of claiming equality with God by his enemies to discredit him just like you have accused me of claiming to be God and for the exact same reason.

That’s literally why he was crucified.

He was crucified by the Romans for sedition. He was reviled despised and rejected because the religious experts of the time were humiliated by his revelation, just like you, exposing them as actors and lying frauds.

As if the teaching that kosher law was not about food but about what goes into the mind and out of the mouth was not perfectly rational, pleasing to the eye and good to eat.

 

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Jesus never claimed equality with God who has no equal.

Sure he did. Google it.

He was accused of claiming to be God by his enemies to discredit him just like you have accused me of claiming to be God and for the exact same reason.




He was crucified by the Romans for sedition.

Read the gospels. Jewish religious leaders, particularly the Sadducees and Pharisees, accused Jesus of blasphemy. He openly challenged their authority, disrupted temple commerce, and claimed to be the Son of God, which these leaders considered a capital offense.

 

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Jesus never claimed equality with God

Yes, according to the biblical texts, Jesus both claimed and behaved in ways that his contemporaries and early followers understood as equating himself with God. [1, 2]
While he acknowledged his distinct identity as the Son praying to the Father, his claims and actions continually blurred the lines between human and divine. [1, 2, 3]

Explicit Claims to Divinity

• Claiming the Divine Name: In John 8:58, Jesus stated, "Before Abraham was, I am," deliberately using the name \(I \text{ AM}\) (\(YHWH\)) that God revealed to Moses. [1]
• Unity with the Father: Jesus explicitly stated, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). This prompted religious leaders to attempt to stone him because he "was making himself equal with God" (John 5:18).[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Divine Forgiveness: In the ancient Jewish world, only God could forgive sins. Jesus routinely forgave people's sins, which his critics correctly identified as a prerogative reserved for God alone. [1, 2]
• Accepting Worship: Jesus frequently accepted worship and never corrected people for doing so, which directly violates the core monotheistic commands found in the Hebrew scriptures. [1, 2]

Divine Behaviors and Authority

• Overriding the Law: In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus repeatedly used the formula, "You have heard that it was said... but I say to you" (Matthew 5). This placed his own personal authority on the same level as the written Law of God. [1]
• Master of the Sabbath: Jesus claimed authority over the Sabbath, famously calling himself the "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8) and stating that he and his Father were continuously working. [1, 2, 3]
• Miraculous Power: Jesus performed miracles, such as calming storms, walking on water, and raising the dead, which the Old Testament attributes exclusively to God. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]