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[hobelim]

That's a fine conspiracy theory you have there. Rome executed a Jewish man - who you claim was working for God - because he was a rebel who sent hidden messages to be recorded in writing after the rebellion was defeated.

No.

Rome executed an innocent Jewish man, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, as a "perfect HUMAN sacrifice" to an imaginary Roman trinity on the Mithran cross in the name of Mithras.

 

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No.

Rome executed an innocent Jewish man, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, as a "perfect HUMAN sacrifice" to an imaginary Roman trinity on the Mithran cross in the name of Mithras.

That wouldn't exist for a hundred years.

And you don't think you believe in magic.

What was up with all of the hidden messages? He was working with God to curse people?

 

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Rome executed an innocent Jewish man, THE JEWISH MESSIAH

How was he the Jewish Messiah?

 

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No.

Rome executed an innocent Jewish man, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, as a "perfect HUMAN sacrifice" to an imaginary Roman trinity on the Mithran cross in the name of Mithras.

Google AI disagrees.

Based on historical records, Rome executed Jesus, a Jewish man, for political insurrection, not as a ritual "human sacrifice" to Mithras. While Christians consider him a perfect sacrifice, this is seen as theological, not a historical sacrifice to a Roman trinity or Mithras. There is no historical evidence linking Jesus' crucifixion to Mithraic rituals. [1, 2, 3]
Key Historical and Theological Distinctions:

• The Execution: The Romans executed Jesus of Nazareth by crucifixion in the 1st century AD. Historically, this was a political execution of a Jewish man viewed as a potential troublemaker, not a religious sacrifice to a Roman deity. [1, 2]
• The Sacrifice Concept: Christianity presents Jesus as a "perfect" sacrifice to God, not to the pagan god Mithras. This is interpreted in Christian theology as self-sacrifice for atonement, not a ritually forced sacrifice to an "imaginary Roman trinity". [1, 2, 3]
• Mithras vs. Jesus: Mithras (Mithraism) and Christianity were distinct, competing religions in the Roman world. Jesus was not executed in the name of Mithras. [1, 2]
• The Messiahship: While Christians believe Jesus is the Messiah, this was not recognized by Rome or Jewish authorities at the time of his execution, as he did not fulfill Jewish Messianic expectations, such as restoring the Davidic kingdom. [1, 2]

The premise in the query is a mix of theological interpretation (from a Christian viewpoint) and false claims (about Mithras) not supported by historical evidence. [1]

 

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This guy can take a beating.

 

[hobelim]

That wouldn't exist for a hundred years.

"There is no absolute consensus among researchers about the origins of the Roman cult of Mithras, formerly referred to as the Mysteries of Mithras. According to Franz Cumont, the first modern scholar to focus on this cult, it was a Romanised form of the Mazdeist or Zoroastrian religion. Cumont, following the trail left by Plutarch (Pompey, 29), stated that pirates based in Cilicia, now southern Turkey, were practicing the Mithraic cult as early as 60 BC."

The origin of the cult of Mithras, between the Eastern and Western worlds

Mithras, also called Mitra or Mithra depending on the historical period, region or language, is one of the oldest known Indo-European gods.

www.mithraeum.eu

 

[hobelim]

Google AI disagrees.

At the time Jesus was executed for sedition. I agree.

No.

Rome executed an innocent Jewish man, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, as a "perfect HUMAN sacrifice" to an imaginary Roman trinity on the Mithran cross in the name of Mithras.

That is what your Roman Church, that was given power and authority by Caesar teaches, isn't it?

Can't you see the trap you have been caught in? No? Thats a shame!

 

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"There is no absolute consensus among researchers about the origins of the Roman cult of Mithras, formerly referred to as the Mysteries of Mithras. According to Franz Cumont, the first modern scholar to focus on this cult, it was a Romanised form of the Mazdeist or Zoroastrian religion. Cumont, following the trail left by Plutarch (Pompey, 29), stated that pirates based in Cilicia, now southern Turkey, were practicing the Mithraic cult as early as 60 BC."

The origin of the cult of Mithras, between the Eastern and Western worlds

Mithras, also called Mitra or Mithra depending on the historical period, region or language, is one of the oldest known Indo-European gods.

www.mithraeum.eu

30 years after Jesus was crucified.

 

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That is what your Roman Church thats was given power and authority by Caesar teaches, isn't it?

Take your time.....

Why does everyone forget the tradition of the church immediately after Jesus rose from the dead?

Oh yeah, it's because they hate Jesus.

 

[hobelim]

30 years after Jesus was crucified.

60 BC is 30 years after Jesus was crucified? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk?

 

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At the time Jesus was executed for sedition. I agree.

That's not how the gospels recorded it. That's not what the EVIDENCE shows.

 

[hobelim]

That's not how the gospels recorded it. That's not what the EVIDENCE shows.

Either he was executed for sedition or as a perfect human sacrifice. Make up your mind.

 

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60 BC is 30 years after Jesus was crucified? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Are you drunk?

Not the same religion. You keep getting twisted in your lies.

 

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Either he was executed for sedition or as a perfect human sacrifice. Make up your mind.

Or it was exactly how the gospels and babylonian talmud described it; sorcery and apostasy and how the early church taught it.

 

[hobelim]

Not the same religion. You keep getting twisted in your lies.

According to Franz Cumont, the first modern scholar to focus on this cult, it was a Romanised form of the Mazdeist or Zoroastrian religion. Cumont, following the trail left by Plutarch (Pompey, 29), stated that pirates based in Cilicia, now southern Turkey, were practicing the Mithraic cult as early as 60 BC."

 

[hobelim]

Or it was exactly how the gospels and babylonian talmud described it; sorcery and apostasy and how the early church taught it.

Oh, now there are 3 choices? lol. Sedition, or as a perfect human sacrifice, or sorcery and apostasy? Or or or, you slippery devil. Which is it? Make up your thoroughly addled mind.

 

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According to Franz Cumont, the first modern scholar to focus on this cult, it was a Romanised form of the Mazdeist or Zoroastrian religion. Cumont, following the trail left by Plutarch (Pompey, 29), stated that pirates based in Cilicia, now southern Turkey, were practicing the Mithraic cult as early as 60 BC."

Not the Romans. But don't let the facts get in your way of hating Christians.

 

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Oh, now there are 3 choices? lol. Sedition, or as a perfect human sacrifice, or sorcery and apostasy? Or or or, you slippery devil. Which is it? Make up your thoroughly addled mind.

The one that was backed by the evidence. Jesus performed many miracles and rose from the dead and was worshipped as God.

 

[hobelim]

How was he the Jewish Messiah?

He fulfilled messianic expectations. He led people to the sanctuary of God. He opened the eyes of the blind, healed the sick, cured the paralyzed, cleansed the lepers, raised the dead and slaughtered "the nations" with the sword. Piles of unburied corpses litter the landscape.

Can't you smell that putrid smell?

 

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He fulfilled messianic expectations. He led people to the sanctuary of God. He opened the eyes of the blind, healed the paralyzed, raised the dead and slaughtered "the nations" with the sword. Piles of unburied corpses litter the landscape. Can't you smell that putrid smell?

I can smell your hate. I can smell your deceptions. I'm pretty sure everyone can.