Just Go Away Teacher Unions!...

[NYcarbineer]

Teachers have it pretty good compared to many other occupations. Yet Teachers seem to do the most whining & complaining. They get all weekends off,several weeks of paid Holiday time off,and they get their Summers off. That just doesn't seem so horrible. Of all professions,Teachers by far do the most whining & complaining. Look around America and see how many Americans enjoy all weekends off,several weeks of paid Holiday time off,and entire Summers off. So Teachers do have it pretty good. They need to slow down on their whiny greed. It does come down to the Teacher Unions in the end. They force their members to whine & complain so much. Give em the boot and our Schools might just recover.

Teachers earn far less on average than non-teachers with the same level of education required for the job.

That may be true but they receive other great benefits no other occupations have. All Weekends off,several weeks of paid Holiday Time off,and entire Summers off? That seems pretty nice to most outside observers. Look around America and see how many other Americans enjoy those kinds of benefits. The Teacher Unions are only trouble at this point. They've outlived their usefulness. They only stand for greed and political activism at this point. It's time for them to get the boot once and for all. Our kids deserve better.

You're fucking retarded.

How many people with bachelor's or master degrees, qualified in a particular profession via those degrees, working in those professions...

...do NOT make as much or more than teachers? Do NOT have jobs with weekends off, and paid holidays?

As to summers off? You want summers off from your job? WITHOUT PAY? eh?

 

[bodecea]

What the hell is this SERVICE crap. They are not in the military SERVING to protect our country..
If they don't like their pay, they can go do something else, like the MAJORITY of Americans would do.

Looks like someone got tossed from high school.

Teachers are VASTLY underpaid for their level of education and amount of work done. I out earned all those folks by the time I was around 35, working not nearly as hard.

Youse droolers wouldn't really know how hard teachers work for their pathetic pay, now would ya?

Listen you slobbering idiot, I work in a school. The teachers here make a dame good living for only having to work 9months out the year. So ya, some of us DO KNOW how much teachers work and what they get paid. Now go sit in the corner and no video games for you tonight.

What's your school's turnover rate?

 

[bodecea]

As I suspected, you had no incompentent teachers.

As I suspected, you still fail to add anything intelligent to ANY conversation.

As I suspected, you obviously had MANY incompetent teachers. The proof is provided in EVERY one of your posts.

Thanks for being the poster child for serious education reform. It's much appreciated.....Always helps for us to see firsthand just what effect a lousy education can have on our great countries citizens.

Now, go back to trying to nail that JELLO to the wall...If you had been given a proper education, you just might have been able to figure out that it doesn't work too well.

Geeze, you don't have to get your panties in a wad. I could have just said you are a liar, but I was gracious about it. Apparently the only thing you learned in school besides cheating and unethical immoral behavior, is how to do it better than anyone else. I am surprised you didn't steal this thread while you were frothing at the mouth.

Wicked is most likely that student that teachers had to spend their time trying to stop disrupting the class so they could teach...a student that stole the right to a good education from his classmates.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Teachers have it pretty good compared to many other occupations. Yet Teachers seem to do the most whining & complaining. They get all weekends off,several weeks of paid Holiday time off,and they get their Summers off. That just doesn't seem so horrible. Of all professions,Teachers by far do the most whining & complaining. Look around America and see how many Americans enjoy all weekends off,several weeks of paid Holiday time off,and entire Summers off. So Teachers do have it pretty good. They need to slow down on their whiny greed. It does come down to the Teacher Unions in the end. They force their members to whine & complain so much. Give em the boot and our Schools might just recover.

Where did you hear that teachers get paid vacations? It is 180 days plus usually another 5 for prep. Period.

So...tell us, how much have you been in the classroom experiencing what teachers do and how they work, Libo?

Most American Workers do not get to enjoy all Weekends off,several weeks of Holiday Time off,and entire Summers off. Get out into the real world and see for yourself. Teachers just whine & complain too much. They have it pretty good. Just look around and see for yourself how most American Workers live. Most of these whiny teachers need a reality-check. How bout less Whining and more Teaching? A novel concept huh?

Are teachers overpaid?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yeah who needs democracy we just won't show up.

The vote should be held no matter who shows up.

Gee, I thought the majority ramming something down the people's throats was a bad thing to you people...

 

[Wicked Jester]

As I suspected, you still fail to add anything intelligent to ANY conversation.

As I suspected, you obviously had MANY incompetent teachers. The proof is provided in EVERY one of your posts.

Thanks for being the poster child for serious education reform. It's much appreciated.....Always helps for us to see firsthand just what effect a lousy education can have on our great countries citizens.

Now, go back to trying to nail that JELLO to the wall...If you had been given a proper education, you just might have been able to figure out that it doesn't work too well.

Geeze, you don't have to get your panties in a wad. I could have just said you are a liar, but I was gracious about it. Apparently the only thing you learned in school besides cheating and unethical immoral behavior, is how to do it better than anyone else. I am surprised you didn't steal this thread while you were frothing at the mouth.

Wicked is most likely that student that teachers had to spend their time trying to stop disrupting the class so they could teach...a student that stole the right to a good education from his classmates.

Wrong on every count there, Butch.

But I have no doubt that you were the girl in the class who had the teachers constantly tell you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the other girls in the class, eh perve?

And i'm also quite sure that the teachers are still telling you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the LIL' girls attending your schools open house, eh perve?

 

[Samson]

I thought I was pretty clear about the fact that I was discussing potential outcomes of ending collective bargaining...rather than providing evidence of locations where such a thing had already happened. But, for the sake of furthering the conversation...I believe there are several studies that indicate that union teachers receive more prep time, teach smaller classes and receive a higher salary than nonunion workers. (Sorry I don't have links, we just conversing so I didn't come prepared with data...I'll start looking for them if you don't have time to look yourself). This would seem to indicate to me that NON-UNION teachers are likely to make less money, teach more kids, and have less time to prepare their lessons during their work day. Now...is it possible that this will have no effect on the quality of professional who is drawn to the field of public education? Sure...its possible.

My point is that is is not just possible, but it is the FACT: states that outlaw collective bargaining have MANY of the best schools in the nation.

Therefore your offer of one of the negative outcomes of ending collective bargaining (that then schools would only be filled with unqualified teachers) simply doesn't happen.

Ergo: There are not any negative outcomes of ending collective bargaining for teachers.

Of course not! Because there is no change made between Union and nonUnion teachers. They just call themselves nonUnion & carry on with Union activities all the way to lobbyist in DC. Instead of paying dues, they pay for Umbrella Insurance like a doctor does.

Legal Protection

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civil rights cases
lawsuits against the insured by parents or other teachers
lawsuits against the insured for injunctive relief, declaratory relief, or other non-monetary relief
sexual misconduct (if found not guilty or charges are dropped)
corporal punishment (if found not guilty or charges are dropped)



Employment Rights Coverage

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Member Benefits

Not sure if we're on the same page:

A group that collectively bargains with an insurance company =/= a group that collectively bargains with their employer

 

[bodecea]

Geeze, you don't have to get your panties in a wad. I could have just said you are a liar, but I was gracious about it. Apparently the only thing you learned in school besides cheating and unethical immoral behavior, is how to do it better than anyone else. I am surprised you didn't steal this thread while you were frothing at the mouth.

Wicked is most likely that student that teachers had to spend their time trying to stop disrupting the class so they could teach...a student that stole the right to a good education from his classmates.

Wrong on every count there, Butch.

But I have no doubt that you were the girl in the class who had the teachers constantly tell you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the other girls in the class, eh perve?

And i'm also quite sure that the teachers are still telling you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the LIL' girls attending your schools open house, eh perve?

I think your post stands alone as to showing what lack of education you got and how you did not play well with others. Thank you for proving my point so easily. Rarely do I get such cooperation in making my point.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Wicked is most likely that student that teachers had to spend their time trying to stop disrupting the class so they could teach...a student that stole the right to a good education from his classmates.

Wrong on every count there, Butch.

But I have no doubt that you were the girl in the class who had the teachers constantly tell you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the other girls in the class, eh perve?

And i'm also quite sure that the teachers are still telling you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the LIL' girls attending your schools open house, eh perve?

I think your post stands alone as to showing what lack of education you got and how you did not play well with others. Thank you for proving my point so easily. Rarely do I get such cooperation in making my point.

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Heard them boo's yet?

Attended flight school yet?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[mdn2000]

Public education just sucks period, if it does not make everyone happy, its failed, its that simple. I hated school, to me it was the most boring part of my life, wasted years, I learned to read, I spell like shit, my math skills never reached anything better than a D. When I was finished, I had to go out and get a real education.

Its the 21st century and our entire government is broken, they have failed us, the only thing left is to starve us and leave us homeless. The educational system is just a symptom of what was wrong in the past is wrong today.

Eight hours a day at school for thirteen years and people need another four years of education. That is a life dedicated to what and how the government teaches. It sucked.

Kids should be done with High school at around 16, less if they go to college. It should also take half as many hours a day, which saves us half the money. A kid that has no desire for an education beyond picking fruit, working at McDonalds, or working in a steel mill should have that option.

Oops, our broken government lost all the jobs to China, Europe, all of Asia, even Canada.

Some people only wish to be simple people, they need simple jobs, its that simple industry, like steel, chemicals, energy, that we lost that the simple people need.

Schools have failed but at the same time they need to be modernized, it shoud take a few years less with technology to teach a kid the basics, ten years of school is plenty.

Of course we should of allowed the banks and wall street to fail, we should of allowed people to lose their homes, we are just delaying the collapse of our system by addressing the symptoms and not the problem. We need to take the power away from the government. If we allowed the banks and homes to fail, prices would be dirt cheap, a guy only interested in flipping hamburgers should not have to work thirty years to pay for a home, he should be able to do it in five years.

The price of everything is so ridiculous, the simple jobs for the simple people are just about gone.

We have 9% unemployment, on average, that includes government workers, funny, I bet you that government workers are suffering about a 1% unemployment rate, meaning the people that do the hard work in the private sector are actually closer to 18%, maybe less, I do not know, I went to public schools.

 

[bodecea]

Wrong on every count there, Butch.

But I have no doubt that you were the girl in the class who had the teachers constantly tell you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the other girls in the class, eh perve?

And i'm also quite sure that the teachers are still telling you to quit trying to shove your hands in the panties of all the LIL' girls attending your schools open house, eh perve?

I think your post stands alone as to showing what lack of education you got and how you did not play well with others. Thank you for proving my point so easily. Rarely do I get such cooperation in making my point.

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Heard them boo's yet?

Attended flight school yet?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thank you again for proving my point...Rarely do we see such quick response. Now everyone has a pretty good picture of your level of....ahem...maturity and willingness (or lack thereof) to learn in the public school setting. Brava!

 

[bodecea]

Public education just sucks period, if it does not make everyone happy, its failed, its that simple. I hated school, to me it was the most boring part of my life, wasted years, I learned to read, I spell like shit, my math skills never reached anything better than a D. When I was finished, I had to go out and get a real education.

Its the 21st century and our entire government is broken, they have failed us, the only thing left is to starve us and leave us homeless. The educational system is just a symptom of what was wrong in the past is wrong today.

Eight hours a day at school for thirteen years and people need another four years of education. That is a life dedicated to what and how the government teaches. It sucked.

Kids should be done with High school at around 16, less if they go to college. It should also take half as many hours a day, which saves us half the money. A kid that has no desire for an education beyond picking fruit, working at McDonalds, or working in a steel mill should have that option.

Oops, our broken government lost all the jobs to China, Europe, all of Asia, even Canada.

Some people only wish to be simple people, they need simple jobs, its that simple industry, like steel, chemicals, energy, that we lost that the simple people need.

Schools have failed but at the same time they need to be modernized, it shoud take a few years less with technology to teach a kid the basics, ten years of school is plenty.

Of course we should of allowed the banks and wall street to fail, we should of allowed people to lose their homes, we are just delaying the collapse of our system by addressing the symptoms and not the problem. We need to take the power away from the government. If we allowed the banks and homes to fail, prices would be dirt cheap, a guy only interested in flipping hamburgers should not have to work thirty years to pay for a home, he should be able to do it in five years.

The price of everything is so ridiculous, the simple jobs for the simple people are just about gone.

We have 9% unemployment, on average, that includes government workers, funny, I bet you that government workers are suffering about a 1% unemployment rate, meaning the people that do the hard work in the private sector are actually closer to 18%, maybe less, I do not know, I went to public schools.

It is what you make of it. Sorry that you did not come away with much. I'm sure your teachers tried tho.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I think your post stands alone as to showing what lack of education you got and how you did not play well with others. Thank you for proving my point so easily. Rarely do I get such cooperation in making my point.

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Heard them boo's yet?

Attended flight school yet?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thank you again for proving my point...Rarely do we see such quick response. Now everyone has a pretty good picture of your level of....ahem...maturity and willingness (or lack thereof) to learn in the public school setting. Brava!

Being drunk, bitter, lonely, miserable, and perverted is no way to live your life there, Butch.

Go get some help, ya' seriously need it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

nope,, couldn't find a thing on msnbc or huffingsome..

Because you didn't look on the front page, you stupid splittail?

Breaking News, Weather, Business, Health, Entertainment, Sports, Politics, Travel, Science, Technology, Local, US & World News - msnbc.com

 

[shintao]

My point is that is is not just possible, but it is the FACT: states that outlaw collective bargaining have MANY of the best schools in the nation.

Therefore your offer of one of the negative outcomes of ending collective bargaining (that then schools would only be filled with unqualified teachers) simply doesn't happen.

Ergo: There are not any negative outcomes of ending collective bargaining for teachers.

Of course not! Because there is no change made between Union and nonUnion teachers. They just call themselves nonUnion & carry on with Union activities all the way to lobbyist in DC. Instead of paying dues, they pay for Umbrella Insurance like a doctor does.

Legal Protection

Included in the $2,000,000 individual liability insurance policy purchased for each professional member, AAE Legal Protection benefits ensure that members have access to legal counsel at the onset of workplace issues and Defense costs related to liability insurance claims are paid in addition to the $2,000,000 limit. Legal coverage applies to any legal action arising out of duties as an employee of an education entity, including:

civil rights cases
lawsuits against the insured by parents or other teachers
lawsuits against the insured for injunctive relief, declaratory relief, or other non-monetary relief
sexual misconduct (if found not guilty or charges are dropped)
corporal punishment (if found not guilty or charges are dropped)



Employment Rights Coverage

Included in the $2,000,000 individual liability insurance policy purchased for each professional member, AAE Employment Rights Coverage ensures that members have access to legal counsel at the onset of workplace employment issues. Members are able to immediately consult with an attorney if they are threatened with termination, suspension, reassignment, or demotion. AAE Employment Rights Coverage provides or reimburses for an attorney to be involved with consultation and hearings (up to specified limits).

Member Benefits

Not sure if we're on the same page:

A group that collectively bargains with an insurance company =/= a group that collectively bargains with their employer

OH, so you just oppose having one voice represent many voices for wages & benefits? Isn't that undemocratic of you? UnCapitalistic of you? Do you also oppose Corporate board meetings with CEOs present to negotiate wages & benefits & bonuses? Are they making too much as well?

And it is not an insurance company, it is a teachers association that has insurance as a member benefit.



AAE is America's fastest growing national, nonprofit, nonunion teachers' association with members in all 50 states.



AAE offers professional member benefits such as liability insurance and legal protection, professional development, newsletters, scholarships, classroom grants, and a voice on educational issues—but at a fraction of the cost of most other associations' dues.

 

[shintao]

I think your post stands alone as to showing what lack of education you got and how you did not play well with others. Thank you for proving my point so easily. Rarely do I get such cooperation in making my point.

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Heard them boo's yet?

Attended flight school yet?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thank you again for proving my point...Rarely do we see such quick response. Now everyone has a pretty good picture of your level of....ahem...maturity and willingness (or lack thereof) to learn in the public school setting. Brava!

Seems he did poorly in school, while other smart kids were getting the A+s, and now he wants to blame incompetent teachers for his dragging nut sack. LOL!

 

[Wicked Jester]

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Heard them boo's yet?

Attended flight school yet?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Thank you again for proving my point...Rarely do we see such quick response. Now everyone has a pretty good picture of your level of....ahem...maturity and willingness (or lack thereof) to learn in the public school setting. Brava!

Seems he did poorly in school, while other smart kids were getting the A+s, and now he wants to blame incompetent teachers for his dragging nut sack. LOL!

Still trying to nail that JELLO to the wall, eh Sparky?

Christ, between you and the Butch, there's some slimey walls and messy floors in your abodes to be sure.

Clean up those messes, slobs!

Fuckin' dumbasses!

 

[N4mddissent]

The only point you've ever made up here is the fact that you're an abject LIAR.......Oh, yeah, and an immoral perve!

Being drunk, bitter, lonely, miserable, and perverted is no way to live your life there, Butch.

Go get some help, ya' seriously need it.

Boy, you really told her ranger joe. Did you think of those all by yourself or did you have to reach back into your childhood when daddy didn't love you enough and the other kids picked on you? You're a real studly guy to be able to call someone names when you don't agree with them. With all that mental muscle you should be able to walk AND chew gum.

When did USMB just become a den of trolls?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Boy, you really told her ranger joe. Did you think of those all by yourself or did you have to reach back into your childhood when daddy didn't love you enough and the other kids picked on you? You're a real studly guy to be able to call someone names when you don't agree with them. With all that mental muscle you should be able to walk AND chew gum.

When did USMB just become a den of trolls?

Stay out of it lil' one. This is between the perve and myself.

Oh, and the USMB became a a den of trolls when wee ones such as yourself invaded it.

 

[JFK_USA]

I saw a guy on Fox today saying that unions are the reason our education system is where it is.
That is just absurd.

And he was absolutely right.

Just look at the disparity in test scores and graduation rates between non union private and charter school teachers to unionized public school teachers.

Those numbers tell the real story. Those numbers are what the unions fear most.

Okay then, post it.

You got proof show it. Oh and also leave out the charter schools because those are usually kids have to test into those schools so they are obviously the better student so they will test better.

Also, usually rich people have the resources to pay for things like tutors, personal lessons, and other things that people who send their kids to public schools can't afford.

So even if you are right. That doesn't mean Unions = poor students. Its a bigger social problem than that.