American Public Education is Failing...and Getting Worse Every Year

[toobfreak]

A woman in Mobile, AL was recorded by one of her children absolutely beating the crap out of her 12 yo son. First on the butt with a belt some 20 times, then pulled him up by the hair, then beat him across the arms.

She was arrested and fired from her PRIVATE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL where she taught 2nd grade

A). I can hit you across the butt 20 times with a belt and not even leave a mark. It depends on HOW HARD to hit the kit, not the number.

B). I can pull you up by the hair while barely yanking your hair if I intend to. Again, a video shows what, but not how. Did it give any REASON?

C). Most of my friends grew up in strict catholic families where they were routinely beaten at home, then brutalized at school by nuns with humiliation and pain. All of them today are fine adult citizens with families holding sound careers as corporate managers and such with big families. Not one of them on drugs or with a history of crime nor homelessness or welfare.

 

[Bitterhook]

Sounds interesting and promising, somewhat similar to the open classroom I studied under in grade school. What better way to educate someone than to slant their training to capitalize on their own innate proclivities and inclinations early in life so they grow into a career for which they are naturally attracted to and skilled at.

Where knowledge can be necessary to accomplish a task, one does not need to be taught how to pursue what they desire, and initiative as well as vision can be emphasized and accessed in just about any environment, should one have the proclivity to do so.

 

[toobfreak]

Where knowledge can be necessary to accomplish a task, one does not need to be taught how to pursue what they desire, and initiative as well as vision can be emphasized and accessed in just about any environment.

What I was trying to get at is that it is 4X easier to educate and train a child in something they are actually interested in than to try to force them to learn stuff they absolutely hate.

Take math. Some people have a natural affinity for numbers and mathematical concepts, others do not. So why force all kids to learn differential calculus when maybe 1% of all students will go on as STEM students into technical careers where higher math is actually needed and used?

I mean in ordinary life, one barely has need to understand geometry and conic sections, and maybe if you are a carpenter, you might use Pythagoras' formula for calculating the hypotenuse of a right triangle in building a house, basic trig.

 

[Bitterhook]

What I was trying to get at is that it is 4X easier to educate and train a child in something they are actually interested in than to try to force them to learn stuff they absolutely hate.

Take math. Some people have a natural affinity for numbers and mathematical concepts, others do not. So why force all kids to learn differential calculus when maybe 1% of all students will go on as STEM students into technical careers where higher math is actually needed and used?

I mean in ordinary life, one barely has need to understand geometry and conic sections, and maybe if you are a carpenter, you might use Pythagoras' formula for calculating the hypotenuse of a right triangle in building a house, basic trig.

Depends on are if you are training them to be self-centered, or if you want them to learn how to work with others in order to accomplish a greater goal.

Depend on if you want to encourage them to rely on their own instincts alone or teach them to accept they don't always have the choice to narrowly align everything in the world to their desires, if they ever intend to truly respect others.

I use my own strategies in mathematics which caused difficulties for me in grade school but made calculations much more accessible in the real world and then allowed me to accept larger strategies with greater ease and understanding in college and when I was going to have to do exactly as required, whether or not I liked it.

There is not a day that goes by that I don't use mathematics, although far more algebra than trigonometry and just in everyday life, not necessarily restricted to my career.

 

[toobfreak]

Depends on are if you are training them to be self-centered, or if you want them to learn how to work with others

Hopefully neither. Self-centeredness or generosity are personality inclinations, not something taught like a subject.

School is there to teach you how to think (method of reasoning to form valid conclusions) not what to think (what conclusions to reach) and while it might be nice to encourage a person to share more and to work better with others, if they are a stingy, self-centered person by nature, you can't just beat it out of them.

Both stingy and generous people can both be good at math, know their history, and effectively design a building.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One in Economics. Another in History. I also have a Master's degree in business. From two of the finest Universities in America. Served me well catapulting me in to the tippy top earners. I paid off my debt within 3 or 4 years.

My son has a BA and a Doctorate. He's an MD. He has a lot of debt which he'll pay off in less than 5.

My other son is working on his BA. No debt.

All of us will enjoy Trump's top tier tax cut... ok maybe not my youngest yet... but the other two of us get nice breaks for being high earners. I want to thank you for voting for it. I didnt.

Education is the ticket to the middle class and a leg up on getting to the top 1%.

Then why is it you don't know a thing?

 

[Unkotare]

It's also kind of interesting some of the things you can learn college not directly associated to the career you are pursuing, and simply the ability to broaden your horizons, adding a little depth to your understanding of everything.

Or used to be anyway, it's been a little while since I was there and they might be teaching something else by now.

One thing I know for sure is that you never know where your road will go. Life would be long and boring if it weren't so.

 

[Jarlaxle]

A). I can hit you across the butt 20 times with a belt and not even leave a mark. It depends on HOW HARD to hit the kit, not the number.

B). I can pull you up by the hair while barely yanking your hair if I intend to. Again, a video shows what, but not how. Did it give any REASON?

C). Most of my friends grew up in strict catholic families where they were routinely beaten at home, then brutalized at school by nuns with humiliation and pain. All of them today are fine adult citizens with families holding sound careers as corporate managers and such with big families. Not one of them on drugs or with a history of crime nor homelessness or welfare.

You probably belong in prison.

 

[Unkotare]

A). I can hit you across the butt 20 times with a belt and not even leave a mark. It depends on HOW HARD to hit the kit, not the number.

B). I can pull you up by the hair while barely yanking your hair if I intend to. Again, a video shows what, but not how. Did it give any REASON?

C). Most of my friends grew up in strict catholic families where they were routinely beaten at home, then brutalized at school by nuns with humiliation and pain. All of them today are fine adult citizens with families holding sound careers as corporate managers and such with big families. Not one of them on drugs or with a history of crime nor homelessness or welfare.

And lots of salt in the pantry.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What I was trying to get at is that it is 4X easier to educate and train a child in something they are actually interested in than to try to force them to learn stuff they absolutely hate.

Take math. Some people have a natural affinity for numbers and mathematical concepts, others do not. So why force all kids to learn differential calculus when maybe 1% of all students will go on as STEM students into technical careers where higher math is actually needed and used?

I mean in ordinary life, one barely has need to understand geometry and conic sections, and maybe if you are a carpenter, you might use Pythagoras' formula for calculating the hypotenuse of a right triangle in building a house, basic trig.

Where is this being done?

 

[Bitterhook]

One thing I know for sure is that you never know where your road will go. Life would be long and boring if it weren't so.

In a more esoteric way, it kind of depends on if you are just living life as expected, or on a never-ending adventure exploring the world around you looking to discover what you haven't yet realized, or places you have never been.

Learning

 

[Unkotare]

... Some people have a natural affinity for numbers and mathematical concepts, others do not. ...

No.

 

[Jarlaxle]

A). I can hit you across the butt 20 times with a belt and not even leave a mark. It depends on HOW HARD to hit the kit, not the number.

B). I can pull you up by the hair while barely yanking your hair if I intend to. Again, a video shows what, but not how. Did it give any REASON?

C). Most of my friends grew up in strict catholic families where they were routinely beaten at home, then brutalized at school by nuns with humiliation and pain. All of them today are fine adult citizens with families holding sound careers as corporate managers and such with big families. Not one of them on drugs or with a history of crime nor homelessness or welfare.

I knew some people raised like that. Some did drugs. Some became predators. One coped by drinking herself into a stupor-she was a full-blown alcoholic by age 12, regularly chugging 100-proof vodka like water. One decided turning tricks at 14 was better than going home.

One killed his father with his bare hands and has been in a mental institution ever since.

 

[citygator]

Then why is it you don't know a thing?

That's not true. My posts are well informed. You just dont like rational conclusions like... Biden won in 2020.

 

[Hafar1014]

No.

In a more esoteric way, it kind of depends on if you are just living life as expected, or on a never-ending adventure exploring the world around you looking to discover what you haven't yet realized, or places you have never been.

Learning

We all have purpose oriented choices that lead is to series of short term goals. They all lead to an ultimate goal that most of us are not consciously aware of. At some point iin our lives we do become aware and that gives our lives the meaning we have been seeking.

 

[DGS49]

Anecdotally speaking, I went through 12 years of Catholic parochial schools with nuns and later, Christian Brothers. I was the recipient of "corporal punishment" once, and saw it administered 2 or three other times. In 12 years.

Among my friends and acquaintances, there was only one who had corporal punishment in their family as a regular thing. They were, and remain, all fucked up.

In school, the threat was there, but it was seldom used. Same with my one and only son...of course my parenting grade has turned out to be an 'F.'

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's not true. My posts are well informed. You just dont like rational conclusions like... Biden won in 2020.

you are the one who was telling everyone how great bidens economy was while telling those who disagreed with you that those ones were making up stories....

 

[Bitterhook]

Hafar1014
"We all have purpose-oriented choices that lead is to series of short-term goals. They all lead to an ultimate goal that most of us are not consciously aware of. At some point in our lives we do become aware and that gives our lives the meaning we have been seeking."

That's kind of interesting, because anything "we all do" would be "living life as expected", and that's not quite the extent of what I posted, but it may be very true for a lot of folks.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hafar1014
"We all have purpose-oriented choices that lead is to series of short-term goals. They all lead to an ultimate goal that most of us are not consciously aware of. At some point in our lives we do become aware and that gives our lives the meaning we have been seeking."

That's kind of interesting, because anything "we all do" would be "living life as expected", and that's not quite the extent of what I post, but it may be very true for a lot of folks.

This is the Adlerian(Alfred Adler) model of development based on teleology. Every human action has a purpose. Even the little choices you make. All are a path to an ultimate goal called the final fiction.
In Alfred Adler’s Individual Psychology, "fictional finalism" (or the fictional final goal) is the concept that human behavior is primarily driven not by past experiences, but by imagined future goals and ideals.
Here are the key aspects of this concept:

Key Features of Fictional Finalism

• The Imagined Goal: Adler believed we create a mental picture of a future state—a "fictional" destination—where we feel complete, secure, or successful.
• Motivator of Behavior: This goal, whether realistic or not, guides our current actions, choices, and "style of life".
• Subjective Reality: Because this goal is a personal creation based on our subjective interpretation of life, it does not need to be objectively real to influence us.
• Origin in Childhood: Adler proposed this goal is established early in childhood as a way to compensate for initial feelings of inferiority.
• Perfection vs. Pleasure: For Adler, the ultimate, albeit unreachable, goal is usually perfection or superiority, not just pleasure.

 

[citygator]

you are the one who was telling everyone how great bidens economy was while telling those who disagreed with you that those ones were making up stories....

Ive given very rational evaluations of Biden's and Trump's economy. Most people think the economy is worse now. I havent claimed the Trump has ruined Biden's economy yet but there are signs of weakness. Employment dropping, layoffs increasing, corporate investment shrinking, hour worked getting cut back, multiple job owners climbing to record heights and inflation creeping up in everything except housing which has paused its growth due to weak economic fears... that's not good.

The rich are doing ok. The working class and poor are struggling. They werent killing it under Biden either.