Just As Much A Failure As His Eponymous Plan

[PoliticalChic]

That would be Barack Obama.....

....and Obamacare.

When will the Left learn that they are not capable of clear and cogent decisions on finance, governance, or healthcare???
...before or after they destroy the nation?




1. "American consumers figured out from the beginning that Obamacare wasn’t worth buying. Now insurance companies are wising up. Aetna is withdrawing from Obamacare exchanges in 11 states, following United Healthcare Group’s decision last April to leave 34 states.



2. In a well-functioning insurance market, such as for automobile accidents, insurance carriers craft countless plans to meet exactly the needs of millions of different individuals. Typically, only catastrophic unexpected events are covered, not the predictable oil changes. Automobile insurance is real insurance, and automobile owners as well as insurance companies eagerly participate.

Not so for Obamacare, which is not insurance at all. Under Obamacare annual physicals, which are predictable and routine, are covered without charge, but major surgery requires payment of a $6,000 to $12,000 deductible.




3. Aetna [stated], “This is a business decision based on higher-than-projected medical costs.... a second-quarter pretax loss of $200 million ..... we project will grow to in excess of $300 million by the end of the 2016.”

Insurance companies are making losses because fewer Americans are signing up for Obamacare than were predicted, and these Americans are sicker than average. Premiums rose in some markets by 20 percent in 2016, leading to more healthy people dropping out of plans or not enrolling, accelerating the financial imbalance. Premiums are expected to rise by a similar amount—or more—in 2017.

[Clearly, Obama is better suited to be President of Venezuela or Cuba than of America!]



4. The [failed] Obamacare model is not workable, .... It requires an expensive, comprehensive plan that obligates participants to purchase coverage for maternity care even if they have finished having children, pediatric dental care even if they are childless, mental health coverage even if they do not need it, and drug abuse coverage even if they have never taken any drugs.

5. People are not allowed to buy a simple plan that covers major illnesses such as heart disease, cancer, or falling off a bike in traffic. Furthermore, the deductibles—the amount that has to be spent before people can use the insurance—are so broad as to make coverage practically useless."
An Insurance Giant Has Rung Obamacare's Death Knell | Diana Furchtgott-Roth



Useless 'insurance,' passed wholly by the useless party.

Sooooo.....how ya' voting in November????

 

[JoeB131]

So Aetna didn't get it's way on a Merger plan, they are screwing their policy holders.

And you cheer them on.

Hey, everyone, this is what "Battered Housewife Conservatism" looks like. No matter how much the 1% fuck over working people in this country, people like Political Spice will make excuses for them.

(PC will shriek- "OMG, you used a bad word. You mean person. You using a bad word totally invalidates your argument."

Now, here was the thing. Aetna and United and Cigna and the rest of the criminal insurance companies all lobbied to keep us from going to single payer like every other industrialized country has.

You know, countries where they only spend 8% of GDP on health care as opposed to 17% like we do, and they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, and people are bankrupted by medical crisis.

And now that they think they can return to their favorite passtime, screwing over their policy holders, people like The Mail Order Bride From Hell will defend them all the way. Kind of like a battered housewife scolds the children for making Daddy Angry after he goes on a rampage and the police have to be called.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So Aetna didn't get it's way on a Merger plan, they are screwing their policy holders.

And you cheer them on.

Hey, everyone, this is what "Battered Housewife Conservatism" looks like. No matter how much the 1% fuck over working people in this country, people like Political Spice will make excuses for them.

(PC will shriek- "OMG, you used a bad word. You mean person. You using a bad word totally invalidates your argument."

Now, here was the thing. Aetna and United and Cigna and the rest of the criminal insurance companies all lobbied to keep us from going to single payer like every other industrialized country has.

You know, countries where they only spend 8% of GDP on health care as opposed to 17% like we do, and they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, and people are bankrupted by medical crisis.

And now that they think they can return to their favorite passtime, screwing over their policy holders, people like The Mail Order Bride From Hell will defend them all the way. Kind of like a battered housewife scolds the children for making Daddy Angry after he goes on a rampage and the police have to be called.

Oooo......look who I dragged out of the basement, his pajamas still Doritos covered....
...it's the poor, whining loser, ErroneousJoe!

Cut to the chase: you still claiming Obamacare's a good idea???

Speak up, you dunce.

 

[JoeB131]

Oooo......look who I dragged out of the basement, his pajamas still Doritos covered....
...it's the poor, whining loser, ErroneousJoe!

Cut to the chase: you still claiming Obamacare's a good idea???

Speak up, you dunce.

i think it was better than what we were doing...

It would have been better if we had a Medicaid buy in for those over 55 (who the private insurance companies don't want) and a Public Option... both of which Republicans and Joe Leiberjew (D-Israel) didn't want.

But let's get down to brass tacks without your OCD Number pointed arguments.

The US spends more than any country in the world on Health Care.

Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance.

We have the lowest life expectency in the Industrialize world, the highest infant mortality rate among developed countries, and most shocking of all, 62% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical crisis of a family member.

Meanwhile, the fat CEO's of Cigna and Aetna that you defend are pulling down 8 and 9 figure salaries for screwing over consumers...

This by you makes sense?

Or are you so conditioned to defend the One Percent that you excuse anything they do?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So Aetna didn't get it's way on a Merger plan, they are screwing their policy holders.

And you cheer them on.

Hey, everyone, this is what "Battered Housewife Conservatism" looks like. No matter how much the 1% fuck over working people in this country, people like Political Spice will make excuses for them.

(PC will shriek- "OMG, you used a bad word. You mean person. You using a bad word totally invalidates your argument."

Now, here was the thing. Aetna and United and Cigna and the rest of the criminal insurance companies all lobbied to keep us from going to single payer like every other industrialized country has.

You know, countries where they only spend 8% of GDP on health care as opposed to 17% like we do, and they live longer, have a lower infant mortality rate, and people are bankrupted by medical crisis.

And now that they think they can return to their favorite passtime, screwing over their policy holders, people like The Mail Order Bride From Hell will defend them all the way. Kind of like a battered housewife scolds the children for making Daddy Angry after he goes on a rampage and the police have to be called.

"And now that they think they can return to their favorite passtime, screwing over their policy holders,..."

Really?


Then ...why were the policy holder immensely pleased with their coverage before the other loser (that means Obama and you) came on the scene?

Proof?

Sure.

"When we started this health care debate a year ago, 85 percent of the American people had health insurance, and 95 percent of the 85 percent were happy with it."
— George Will on Sunday, February 21st, 2010 in a roundtable segment on ABC's This Week"
Will says that 95 percent of people with health insurance are satisfied with it PolitiFact



Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.
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When will you learn: I'm never wrong....you, never right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oooo......look who I dragged out of the basement, his pajamas still Doritos covered....
...it's the poor, whining loser, ErroneousJoe!

Cut to the chase: you still claiming Obamacare's a good idea???

Speak up, you dunce.

i think it was better than what we were doing...

It would have been better if we had a Medicaid buy in for those over 55 (who the private insurance companies don't want) and a Public Option... both of which Republicans and Joe Leiberjew (D-Israel) didn't want.

But let's get down to brass tacks without your OCD Number pointed arguments.

The US spends more than any country in the world on Health Care.

Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance.

We have the lowest life expectency in the Industrialize world, the highest infant mortality rate among developed countries, and most shocking of all, 62% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical crisis of a family member.

Meanwhile, the fat CEO's of Cigna and Aetna that you defend are pulling down 8 and 9 figure salaries for screwing over consumers...

This by you makes sense?

Or are you so conditioned to defend the One Percent that you excuse anything they do?

"i think it was better than what we were doing... "

Those first two words: fact not in evidence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oooo......look who I dragged out of the basement, his pajamas still Doritos covered....
...it's the poor, whining loser, ErroneousJoe!

Cut to the chase: you still claiming Obamacare's a good idea???

Speak up, you dunce.

i think it was better than what we were doing...

It would have been better if we had a Medicaid buy in for those over 55 (who the private insurance companies don't want) and a Public Option... both of which Republicans and Joe Leiberjew (D-Israel) didn't want.

But let's get down to brass tacks without your OCD Number pointed arguments.

The US spends more than any country in the world on Health Care.

Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance.

We have the lowest life expectency in the Industrialize world, the highest infant mortality rate among developed countries, and most shocking of all, 62% of personal bankruptcies are caused by medical crisis of a family member.

Meanwhile, the fat CEO's of Cigna and Aetna that you defend are pulling down 8 and 9 figure salaries for screwing over consumers...

This by you makes sense?

Or are you so conditioned to defend the One Percent that you excuse anything they do?

"Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance."

Clearly a lie.

In fact, two lies.



So....why is it you Obamuists are never able to offer truth in your defense of the indefensible?
Why?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's remind all that Obamacare is the illegitimate child of Soviet Communist practice:

1. Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too. Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917 (Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately.)
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.



2. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine. For context, there was Henry Sigerist: "He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine." Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).

b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life." Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252





And we are witnessing the very same failure in Obama and Obamacare as we did in Soviet Russia.

And for the same reasons: lack of liberty and freedom.

And...in ErroneousJoe's case...a lack of intelligence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had enough, Erroneous?

 

[JoeB131]

Really?


Then ...why were the policy holder immensely pleased with their coverage before the other loser (that means Obama and you) came on the scene?

They weren't....

New Study: Elderly Medicare Beneficiaries Most Satisifed with Their Health Insurance; Working-Age Adult with Private Coverage Report More Trouble Accessing Care, Paying Medical Bills

Elderly beneficiaries enrolled in Medicare plans are more satisfied with their health insurance, have better access to care, and are less likely to have problems paying medical bills than people who get insurance through employers or those who purchase coverage on their own, according to a new Commonwealth Fund study published today in Health Affairs.

The study finds that Medicare beneficiaries have better access to care and greater financial protection than adults with private coverage. In 2010 about one-fourth (23%) of Medicare beneficiaries went without needed health care because of costs, compared with 37 percent of those with employer coverage. Adults with employer-based insurance (39%) and individual insurance (39%) reported medical bill problems at almost double the rate of Medicare beneficiaries (21%). The study finds that while health care access and medical bill problems worsened for adults with all types of coverage over the past decade, Medicare continued to provide better coverage during that time period.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Had enough, Erroneous?

I think most have had enough of your bullshit. Of course there are tools out there who believe your North Korean propaganda.

 

[JoeB131]

Had enough, Erroneous?

of what, you repeating shit you hear on Hate Radio like it's fact? Um... yeah, we've all had enough of that.

Let's remind all that Obamacare is the illegitimate child of Soviet Communist practice:

You know, what, I'm sorry the Commies kicked you out of whatever shithole you came from before they shipped you over as a Mail Order Bride, but you need to get the fuck over it.

Those first two words: fact not in evidence.

Obviously, you've never had to wrestle with an insurance company to get them to make good on their policies. I have. I had three year battle with Cigna where I got them to do half of what the promised, but ended up costing everyone involved more than it needed to.

Seriously, I'd favor a health care plan that would involve rounding up Insurance company CEO's and harvesting them for transplant organs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really?


Then ...why were the policy holder immensely pleased with their coverage before the other loser (that means Obama and you) came on the scene?

They weren't....

New Study: Elderly Medicare Beneficiaries Most Satisifed with Their Health Insurance; Working-Age Adult with Private Coverage Report More Trouble Accessing Care, Paying Medical Bills

Elderly beneficiaries enrolled in Medicare plans are more satisfied with their health insurance, have better access to care, and are less likely to have problems paying medical bills than people who get insurance through employers or those who purchase coverage on their own, according to a new Commonwealth Fund study published today in Health Affairs.

The study finds that Medicare beneficiaries have better access to care and greater financial protection than adults with private coverage. In 2010 about one-fourth (23%) of Medicare beneficiaries went without needed health care because of costs, compared with 37 percent of those with employer coverage. Adults with employer-based insurance (39%) and individual insurance (39%) reported medical bill problems at almost double the rate of Medicare beneficiaries (21%). The study finds that while health care access and medical bill problems worsened for adults with all types of coverage over the past decade, Medicare continued to provide better coverage during that time period.

Gee "New Study"

There's the old axiom about how Liberals snap to attention when they see "Studies say....."

How about we simply ask those who had the insurance?

Here's what we found, poll by poll, in reverse chronological order:

• Quinnipiac University, Sept. 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 54 percent very satisfied, 34 percent somewhat.Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• Quinnipiac University, June 2009. "How satisfied are you with your health insurance plan?" 49 percent very satisfied, 36 somewhat satisfied.Total: 85 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2009. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 21 percent extremely satisfied, 37 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 88 percent satisfaction.

• ABC News/Washington Post, June 2009. "For each specific item I name, please tell me whether you are very satisfied with it, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. ... Your health insurance coverage." 42 percent very satisfied, 39 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 81 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." 31 percent extremely satisfied, 41 percent very satisfied, 23 somewhat satisfied. Total: 95 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, Aug. 2008. "Please rate your satisfaction with each of the following aspects of your health care. ... Overall satisfaction with my health (insurance) care plan." 23 percent extremely satisfied, 38 percent very satisfied, 30 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 91 percent satisfaction.

• Mathew Greenwald & Associates for the Employee Benefit Research Institute, May 2008. "Overall, how satisfied are you with your current health insurance plan?" 17 percent extremely satisfied, 36 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied. Total: 86 percent satisfaction.

If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent.

One poll, taken five months before Obama was inaugurated, did come up with 95 percent satisfaction. But alone among these eight polls, that survey asked participants about the "quality of health care I receive through my (health insurance) plan." While we decided that the wording was close enough to merit inclusion on our list, the modest difference in satisfaction levels may stem from the way the question was phrased. Many people feel more warmly toward their doctors than they do toward their insurers.

So, while one poll with unique wording pegged satisfaction at 95 percent, the average of all relevant polls over a two-year period was eight points lower than what Will cited. However, Will is correct that the levels of satisfaction with one's own health insurance are consistently high. Indeed, they're extraordinarily high, when one considers how rarely surveys find such high levels of agreement among Americans. Since Will portrayed the larger point accurately, even while modestly overstating the number, we rate his comment Mostly True.
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When will you learn: I'm never wrong....you, never right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had enough, Erroneous?

I think most have had enough of your bullshit. Of course there are tools out there who believe your North Korean propaganda.

Look how quickly I reduced another Liberal to vulgarity!

I really have you trained, don't I.

Doggie treat?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had enough, Erroneous?

of what, you repeating shit you hear on Hate Radio like it's fact? Um... yeah, we've all had enough of that.

Let's remind all that Obamacare is the illegitimate child of Soviet Communist practice:

You know, what, I'm sorry the Commies kicked you out of whatever shithole you came from before they shipped you over as a Mail Order Bride, but you need to get the fuck over it.

Those first two words: fact not in evidence.

Obviously, you've never had to wrestle with an insurance company to get them to make good on their policies. I have. I had three year battle with Cigna where I got them to do half of what the promised, but ended up costing everyone involved more than it needed to.

Seriously, I'd favor a health care plan that would involve rounding up Insurance company CEO's and harvesting them for transplant organs.

So I win again?

Foregone conclusion, you dunce.


OK...you've served your purpose.
Dismissed.

 

[JoeB131]

"Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance."

Clearly a lie.

In fact, two lies.



So....why is it you Obamuists are never able to offer truth in your defense of the indefensible?
Why?

This is a stated fact. 43 Million americans had no insurance and 25 million had inadequate insurance.

And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

There are a shitload of horror stories about people who had adequate insurance who find themselves victims of such bullshit policies as 'pre-existing conditions" or "elective" surgeries where Insurance Company Bean counters were putting their judgment above Doctors.

 

[JoeB131]

So I win again?

Foregone conclusion, you dunce.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Had enough, Erroneous?

I think most have had enough of your bullshit. Of course there are tools out there who believe your North Korean propaganda.

Look how quickly I reduced another Liberal to vulgarity!

I really have you trained, don't I.

Doggie treat?

Your glaring diversion away from, and failure to refute that you are North Korean propaganda is noted.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Pre-ObamaCare, 25% of Americans either had no insurance or inadequate insurance."

Clearly a lie.

In fact, two lies.



So....why is it you Obamuists are never able to offer truth in your defense of the indefensible?
Why?

This is a stated fact. 43 Million americans had no insurance and 25 million had inadequate insurance.

And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.

There are a shitload of horror stories about people who had adequate insurance who find themselves victims of such bullshit policies as 'pre-existing conditions" or "elective" surgeries where Insurance Company Bean counters were putting their judgment above Doctors.

Lies.

That, and vulgarity, is all you have, huh?

1. “…when one digs deep enough, one finds that only 8 million folks can be classified as "chronically uninsured;" that's still a problem, of course, but a much more manageable one, and puts the lie to the canard that our system is irretrievably broken.” InsureBlog: Vindicated!

2. The U.S. Census Bureau shows that of the 47 million people identified as "uninsured," 14 million are already eligible for government programs such as Medicaid and SCHIP (for children) and simply need to sign up. Another 10 million have household incomes over $75,000. That leaves 23.7 million people who need help affording insurance, not 47 million.

Food debit cards help 27 million people buy food, similar to the number who need help buying health coverage. In all fifty states, debit card technology has transformed the federal food stamp program, which used to be notorious for fraud and abuse. (Only 2 percent of card users are found to be ineligible, according to the General Accounting Office.) Cards are loaded with a specific dollar amount monthly, depending on family size and income, and allow cardholders to shop anywhere. The same strategy could be adapted to provide purchasing power to families who need help buying high-deductible health coverage. It's what all Americans used to buy (see chart 5), and it's all that's needed for families with moderate incomes, who can afford a routine doctor visit.
Defend Your Health - For a Fit Body and Mind


7%....so, hiding behind those 7%, Obamunists have tried to take control of the entire healthcare industry.....

...with predicted disastrous results.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obamacare.....the disaster we conservatives predicted it would be.


6. "For 2016, the average deductible for singles for the lowest-cost bronze plan is $5,700, and for families, it is $12,000.


Obamacare is collapsing as health insurance companies continue to withdraw from the exchanges.
Congress will either convert Obamacare into a public plan—such as Medicare for all—or repeal it altogether."
An Insurance Giant Has Rung Obamacare's Death Knell | Diana Furchtgott-Roth



Who will do that?

Which candidate?




"Hillary Clinton Says She’s The Best To Continue Obama’s Legacy" How Each Democratic Candidate Is Trying To Leverage President Obama

That's true.