Surprize: Obamacare still a disaster.....

[Sun Devil 92]

Reminder: Obamacare Is Still A Disaster | RealClearPolitics

A recent Kaiser Family Foundation study estimates that 664 counties will only feature one single insurer on Obamacare exchanges in 2017. In 2016, it was 225. Four entire states will have only one Obamacare insurer. In one Arizona county, there may be none. Since Obamacare, in effect, solidified in-state insurance cartels, the exchanges are starting to look very much the same. But opening markets up across state (and national) lines is a silly idea, I bet.

At first, Aetna denied that its move was connected to the Justice Department's merger decision. Even in the most generous reading, this turns out not to be exactly true. At The Huffington Post, Jonathan Cohn and Jeffery Young have gotten their hands on a letter from Aetna's CEO that critics seem to believe catches Aetna threatening the administration.

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Ooops....

It gets even better...more to come.

Lizzy Warren is already pushing insurance companies to look like state run entities......

Obamacare sucks......

 

[Arianrhod]

So nice you posted it twice. It may be a "surprize," but it's no surprise.

You've been among those claiming rather vociferously that it was because poor widdle Aetna was losing revenue. Now you've flip-flopped.

Say something about the "free market" just to round things off.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From the article:

To be honest, although I have little doubt Aetna was hoping its position on the exchanges would help with the merger, the letter sounds less like extortion and more like a sensible decision that any accountable executives would make when their company is facing losses. The real outrage isn't that insurers like Aetna are abandoning Obamacare, but that companies like Aetna likely participated in Obamacare for cronyistic reasons to begin with.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

Aetna was losing money on the exchanges.

Pure and simple.

 

[Arianrhod]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

Did you always view insurers as "global elitists," or only since January 2014?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

What makes this more a crack up is that, just like our debt......you hear nothing about this in the election crap.

 

[toxicmedia]

Obamacare will neither turn our country into a socialist nightmare, nor make healthcare affordable.

Those ideas are simple hysteria and false hopes

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Obamacare will neither turn our country into a socialist nightmare, nor make healthcare affordable.

Those ideas are simple hysteria and false hopes

Socialism and nightmare are not necessarily connected. We all live with some type of collective activities.

Healthcare was not affordable for some prior to Obamacare.....

However, there were better choices.

Obamacare sucks.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Aetna was not a major player and Aetna made money.

The only possible response to anyone claiming ACA is a failure is

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

Aetna leaves the market because they were making money in the exchanges.....

That makes sssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooo much sense.

 

[Arianrhod]

Just as "climate change" has nothing to do with climate, and is nothing more than a money grab, so is the case of Obama care. It is another way to get us to reach into our pockets and hand more money over to the global elitists.

Aetna leaves the market because they were making money in the exchanges.....

That makes sssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooo much sense.

The article you've posted in multiple threads says it's because they weren't allowed to form a monopoly with Humana.

You'd seem a lot more intelligent if you actually read the stuff you post.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

It's hysterical to read the spin the left tries to put on this......

I've been reading other threads where there were claims that Aetna were making all kinds of money on the exchanges.

But they pulled out anyway.....

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Aetna was losing money in the exchanges.

Is anyone going to dispute that ?

 

[gipper]

Aetna was losing money in the exchanges.

Is anyone going to dispute that ?

Jake did...but then he is out there where only the short bus runs.

Obamacare is clearly a disaster. In a sane nation, the party that gave us this law would be terminated.

Imagine our nation without the D party...just the thought of it brightens my day.

 

[gipper]

Aetna was not a major player and Aetna made money.

The only possible response to anyone claiming ACA is a failure is

Isn't it ironic that the MSM and Big Ears seldom speak of Obamacare. That should tell you something, but it won't.

Hey Jake, what say you to this?

Of course there are still some deniers out there. Paul Krugman is doing for Obamacare what Walter Duranty did for Stalin in the 1930s: obliquely admitting the existence of a few snags along the way but insisting they can be fixed with a firmer enforcement hand. For anyone who has actually tried to purchase health-care coverage on this phony market, matters are very different.

Obamacare was different. The crowning achievement became a crown of thorns. None of the predictions came true; just the opposite, in fact. Millions lost their coverage and premiums have soared for nearly everyone. These days it seems like everything is covered but nothing is covered. It is harder than ever to get insurers to cough up what they are supposed to pay, and the deductibles are frighteningly high.

So unpopular has it proven to be that Obama is afraid even to bring it up. After all, his legislation touched the lives of every single American, and in ways that reach to the core of what we call the quality of life. The idea that we can’t even have assurance that we can get the service and meds we need when we need them is now in question. The legislation that was supposed to make us all more secure has ended in making everyone more fearful than ever.

Obamacare Is the Welfare State’s Requiem | Jeffrey A. Tucker

 

[JakeStarkey]

The real reason is ACA works and the GOP knows it.

The question will be in the future how to morph it into a single payer system based on the medicare model.

Whether under GOP or Dems, that is going to happen.

 

[jillian]

From the article:

To be honest, although I have little doubt Aetna was hoping its position on the exchanges would help with the merger, the letter sounds less like extortion and more like a sensible decision that any accountable executives would make when their company is facing losses. The real outrage isn't that insurers like Aetna are abandoning Obamacare, but that companies like Aetna likely participated in Obamacare for cronyistic reasons to begin with.

do you really think anything David Harsanyi writes is evidence of anything? the opinion of a winger writes for the federalist????

no doubt you think he's fair and balanced...

 

[gipper]

The real reason is ACA works and the GOP,knows it.

The question will be in the future how to morph it into a single payer system based on the medicare model.

Whether under GOP or Dems, that is going to happen.

Glad you admit that Obamacare was really all about cratering the HC system to usher in the Utopian dream, of all Marxists, single payer.

LMAO...yeah we want to emulate Medicare, a program in crisis and failing more every day...but only if you are a kooky statist/leftist.

 

[Greenbeard]

But opening markets up across state (and national) lines is a silly idea, I bet.

Insurers can already enter any market they want. The problem identified here is that in some markets (particularly rural ones) it's not financially attractive to do so and they're voluntarily staying out or leaving. You can "open markets up" all you want, it doesn't change anything if insurers don't have any interest in entering your market.


No out-of-state insurers offer plans in Georgia

A new law that allows Georgians to buy health insurance plans approved by other states was envisioned as free-market solution that would lower prices and increase choices.

So far, the law has failed to produce results: Not a single insurer is offering a policy under the new law.

“Nobody has even asked to be approved to sell across state lines,” Georgia Insurance Commissioner Ralph Hudgens said. “We’re dumbfounded. We are absolutely dumbfounded.”