Trump Wants to Mandate Insurance Companies to Pay for IVF Treatments

[Seymour Flops]

One round of IVF Treatments for one patient, costs between $14,000 and $20,000. Few countries fund it, and those who do, will only fund one round of IVF.

I thought "mandates" were unfair.

They are. If Dems were willing to end all medical insurance mandates and forced payment of medical expenses for people who choose not to work, I'd pull that straight ticked (D) lever. They won't. They are mighty selective in opposing this.

While they are willing to force me to pay for a lifetime of "treatment" for "gender affirmation" that could easily go over a million dollars, starting at puberty, they don't want tax dollars used something that would help normal families who are having trouble exercising their reproductive freedom.

I guess that's yet another one-way street for Dems

How about funding paid maternity leave for ALL pregnant women?

I my GAWD! "Pregnant WOMEN?" Why area you being so uninclusive?

BTW, what is a woman?

Every time that's proposed, it's too expensive. Ditto computers for all kids in all schools. Universal health care - too expensive. But put a man on the moon? Sure, let's get out the cheque book.

All the kids in my district have school-provided iPads or Macbooks, and it's a relatively conservative district, largely funded by local oil refineries.

 

[ChristisKing]

I'm not a man, dipwad. Good grief.

I thought you said that you were a 38 year old man. I'm sorry I guess I just misunderstood.

 

[Dragonlady]

They are. If Dems were willing to end all medical insurance mandates and forced payment of medical expenses for people who choose not to work, I'd pull that straight ticked (D) lever. They won't. They are mighty selective in opposing this.

While they are willing to force me to pay for a lifetime of "treatment" for "gender affirmation" that could easily go over a million dollars, starting at puberty, they don't want tax dollars used something that would help normal families who are having trouble exercising their reproductive freedom.

I guess that's yet another one-way street for Dems

I my GAWD! "Pregnant WOMEN?" Why area you being so uninclusive?

BTW, what is a woman?

All the kids in my district have school-provided iPads or Macbooks, and it's a relatively conservative district, largely funded by local oil refineries.

Given the reasonable access to medical treatment is a human right and not one that should be confined to people who have jobs or who otherwise meet some phoney criteria that you come up with, you could not be more wrong.

40 years of Republican tax and labour policies had left the USA a second tier nation and on your way to becoming Venezuela.

But still, you support the notion that all poor people are lazy and must be forced to work by depriving them of food or medical treatment.

No Tulsi Gabbard on board. So you were left with Obamacare when McCain fucked up.


Greg

60% of Americans were more than happy to be left with Obamacare. In fact, Donald Trump lost House in the 2018 midterm elections in the largest loss for a sitting president in the last hundred years, simply because he threatened to repeal Obamacare.

Now Trump has pissed off both the left and the right by overturning Roe and saying you need more than 6 weeks.

Trump keeps trying to suck and blow at the same time with his most most unpopular policies. What is succeeding is in doing is pissing off everyone.

The religious right says IVF is murder and satanic and Trump wants to fund it. The left says that allowing women to bleed out in bathrooms and die is heartless and evil, and Trump is responsible for it.

And Vance want to no exceptions for rape or incest. So now you have 12 year old girls going to middle school as mothers, because their stepfathers raped them.

8 million more female voters than men and Trump has managed to piss off 80% of them.

Last week, both Walz and Vance spoke at the Firefighters Union Convention.

The Biden administration passed sweeping legislation to protect union pensions in the event of the sale or bankruptcy of a business. Republicans in general, and Trump, in particular refused to even consider such legislation.

Walz promised the Firefighters that they continue to back the Democrats, the Dems would continue to have their backs and the crowd cheered him.

Vance told them that Donald Trump was the most “pro union president in history” and the Firefighters booed him loudly.

You can fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time. The days when Donald Trump could fool anybody have long since passed.

Congratulations on being one of the idiots Trump can fool all of the time. Every day there are fewer and fewer of you.

 

[dudmuck]

Why not? Health insurance plans are already required to pay for abortions in 10 states.

If you folks can kill babies, we can damned sure breed them.

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"There's no law that requires any health plan, employer-based or anything else, to cover an elective abortion," says the director of the Center for Law, Health & Society at the Georgia State University College of Law, Fuse Brown

 

[Greenbeard]

But, you did. What Trump is proposing is adding to the insurance mandates that the people who are now MAGA railed against 15 years ago.

Correct. Of course he's just opportunistically lying to try and revive his foundering campaign. But rhetorically at least, this is the end of opposition to Obamacare. A consensus among liberals, moderates, and conservatives (or whatever the Trump cult identifies as) that Obamacare is good, federal regulations on insurance markets are good, and mandatory benefits are good.

The stiffs over at the National Review sadly took note of the GOP's embrace insurance regulation and benefit mandates.

Trump’s IVF Proposal Would Expand Obamacare

Opposition to government mandated benefits was not only central to the case against Obamacare, but it has been a key component of the case for free market health care even longer. The reason why is that when government forces all policies to include certain benefits, it drives up the cost of insurance for everybody — especially those who would not be interested in using those benefits. In the pre-Obamacare days, when Republicans used to talk about allowing insurers to sell insurance across state lines, this was an idea for driving down costs in highly regulated states by allowing residents there to purchase leaner and cheaper plans elsewhere. Obamacare made insurance more expensive even in the lower-regulated states, which was a key driver of the backlash that ushered Republicans into control of Congress and helped Trump’s first White House bid.

Government-financed IVF treatment, which costs tens of thousands of dollars, would impose an enormous cost on taxpayers, or, as a mandated benefit, would dramatically drive up insurance premiums. Outside of requirements to sell insurance to older and sicker patients and capping the cost to them, IVF is one of the most expensive benefits one can mandate. By taking this position, Trump is calling for hiking premiums on every American who does not use IVF. Had Democrats tried to mandate IVF federally when Obamacare was being debated, it’s quite possible that would have been the breaking point for the more moderate Democrats, and it would have tanked the whole bill. Put another way, Trump has taken a position that was deemed too left-wing for Barack Obama.

In his first term, Trump was a pro-life president who tried to repeal Obamacare. His statements today (including his declaration that he would vote to expand abortion in Florida beyond six weeks), suggest that he wants to be a pro-choice and pro-Obamacare president.

 

[JGalt]

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"There's no law that requires any health plan, employer-based or anything else, to cover an elective abortion," says the director of the Center for Law, Health & Society at the Georgia State University College of Law, Fuse Brown

That's a lie.

"Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion."

Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion.

 

[dudmuck]

That's a lie.

"Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion."

Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion.

that does not refer to elective abortion. They are referring to an abortion that is necessary for medical purpose such as saving the life of the mother.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I thought you said that you were a 38 year old man. I'm sorry I guess I just misunderstood.

38 year old lass of Irish decent and dang proud of it

 

[struth]

Isn't this communism? Mandating insurance coverage is exactly how ObamaCare worked and the people backing Trump railed against that legislation. IVF treatment is expensive and it will result in everyone's health insurance premiums to rise. Trump continues to tack further and further to the left. Where is the outrage from MAGA? He also stated today he would be voting in support of the amendment in Florida to throw out the six week abortion restriction. The line between Trump and Harris is getting thinner as we get closer to November.

No that’s not communism.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Given the reasonable access to medical treatment is a human right and not one that should be confined to people who have jobs or who otherwise meet some phoney criteria that you come up with, you could not be more wrong.

I would never support the government forbidding anyone from getting access to medical treatment.

That's a different statement than "anyone who makes any money has an obligation to pay for the medical care of people who are unable or unwilling to work." You would agree with that second statement, correct?

40 years of Republican tax and labour policies had left the USA a second tier nation and on your way to becoming Venezuela.

Completely false. If we are a second teir nation, why are so many people risking their lives crossing oceans and deserts to come to the United States? Why would people who believe that we are a second teir nation not be in favor of closing off our borders until we can take care of ourselves, rather than luring people to come to a second teir nation?

But still, you support the notion that all poor people are lazy and must be forced to work by depriving them of food or medical treatment.

Are you suggesting/admitting that if people on welfare are denied those payments, they will be forced to find a job?

 

[Dragonlady]

I would never support the government forbidding anyone from getting access to medical treatment.

That's a different statement than "anyone who makes any money has an obligation to pay for the medical care of people who are unable or unwilling to work." You would agree with that second statement, correct?

Completely false. If we are a second teir nation, why are so many people risking their lives crossing oceans and deserts to come to the United States? Why would people who believe that we are a second teir nation not be in favor of closing off our borders until we can take care of ourselves, rather than luring people to come to a second teir nation?

Are you suggesting/admitting that if people on welfare are denied those payments, they will be forced to find a job?

There is a difference between "medical treatment", and getting proper medical care.

Medical care is a right for all people. Your notion that those who don't work should niot receive anything, is based on numerous illogical fallacies, which is why your nation is failing.

 

[Seymour Flops]

There is a difference between "medical treatment", and getting proper medical care.

The latter is based on opinion, not objective fact.

Medical care is a right for all people. Your notion that those who don't work should niot receive anything, is based on numerous illogical fallacies, which is why your nation is failing.

I never said those who don’t work should not receive anything. I would strongly oppose any law passed by government that said if you don’t have a job, you’re not allowed to see the doctor.

Lots of people without jobs get medical care. Provided by their husbands, their wives, their parents, extended family, or private charities. I have no objection to any of those. My objection is to government taking my money at gunpoint to pay for the medical care of someone who literally refuses to work for a living.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's a lie.

"Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion."

Six states–California, Illinois, Maine, New York, Oregon, and Washington–require nearly all private insurance plans to provide coverage for abortion. Sixteen states use their own funds to make sure women enrolled in Medicaid have coverage for abortion.

Whoops JGalt , you were 100% wrong.

Come back and own it.