What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[ESay]

Thanks! Hopefully you understand it better now.

How it? I didn't change my mind.

 

[AntonToo]

How it? I didn't change my mind.

Ok then keep repeating silly falsehoods about how there is supposedly no real politcal contest and elections of consequence in America.

 

[ESay]

Ok then keep repeating silly falsehoods about how there is supposedly no real politcal contest and elections of consequence in America.

America is run by big capital. And almost always was.

 

[AntonToo]

America is run by big capital. And almost always was.

It is run by a CONCENSUS in the context of an open democracy.

Yes you can buy some concensus, but at the end of the day you have to convince people against real opposition.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

America is run by big capital. And almost always was.

And Russia is run by an authoritarian kleptocrat who has robbed his country blind.

 

[ESay]

It is run by a CONCENSUS in the context of an open democracy.

Yes you can buy some concensus, but at the end of the day you have to convince people against real opposition.

Convincing someone isn't too hard if you control the flow of information.

 

[ESay]

And Russia is run by an authoritarian kleptocrat who has robbed his country blind.

And where did I argue against that?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And where did I argue against that?

I don't know that you did...?

Just drawing a stark contrast.

 

[ESay]

I don't know that you did...?

Just drawing a stark contrast.

Russian political system isn't worth shit. But is American one so great? Look at where you now. A deeply divided society ready to shoot at each other.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But is American one so great?

Compared to everything else ever tried?

Absolutely. And it's not close.

 

[ESay]

Compared to everything else ever tried?

Absolutely. And it's not close.

Great. Enjoy it. I wouldn't mind it at all, if your system didn't destroy other countries for self-supporting.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Great. Enjoy it. I wouldn't mind it at all, if your system didn't destroy other countries for self-supporting.

I am not plagued by this contrived hyperbole.

 

[Deadstick]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

Russia isn't bombing Ukraine it is bombing the Ukrainian military who at times are using civilian buildings with their mercenary and NATO partners, look at that attack in Poltova a few days ago as usual Z said it was a attack on a School and Hospital, it was an attack on a Ukrainian military college full of foreign NATO instructors and mercenaries, then there was the missile attack on a Pizza joint in Kramatorsk in actual fact it was part of a hotel complex full of Ukrainian military and mercenaries, with Israel they just level whole areas sixteen thousand dead Children tell us who is bombing civilians.

 

[Deadstick]

Dumb. Peace is what there was before Russia invaded. Putin violated their treaty, not Ukraine.

What there was before was a coup and Minsk which the Ukrainians and Merkel admitted was to buy time, the people in Donbass woke up one morning to find out the President most voted for had been overthrown, when they protested they were attacked by the Ukrainian army, the rest is history.

 

[Deadstick]

Putin is steeped in old Russian mythology and wants to leave a legacy. He sees Ukraine as belonging to the Russian empire. Same for Finland and Georgia. But Finland would have kicked his ass swiftly, so he invades places like Ukraine and Georgia.

Finland was defeated at the end of WW2 the Soviets allowed it to exist as long as it was not a threat and neutral, that worked out didn't it?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What there was before was a coup and Minsk which the Ukrainians and Merkel admitted was to buy time, the people in Donbass woke up one morning to find out the President most voted for had been overthrown, when they protested they were attacked by the Ukrainian army, the rest is history.

Minsk which the Ukrainians and Merkel admitted was to buy time,

Buying time to protect themselves from you Russian twats.

 

[Deadstick]

Minsk which the Ukrainians and Merkel admitted was to buy time,

Buying time to protect themselves from you Russian twats.

For a start i am not a twat or Russian, they wanted to buy time to launch an attack on Donbass the Russians were not there you arsehole.

 

[AntonToo]

Convincing someone isn't too hard if you control the flow of information

Who controls the flow of information?

Who controls what I’m telling you here or what people post on Facebook or Insta

Who controls what Trump or Harris or Kennedy or any other candidate says?

Who controls American support for sovereign, democratic Ukraine that you so hate?

Who tells Trump to run on ending Ukraine war in 24 hours ( presumably by giving up to Putin whatever he is demanding) ?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For a start i am not a twat or Russian, they wanted to buy time to launch an attack on Donbass the Russians were not there you arsehole.

Well then, you're twice the twat I thought you were.
The Russians have been there for years, stirring up trouble.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What there was before was a coup and Minsk which the Ukrainians and Merkel admitted was to buy time, the people in Donbass woke up one morning to find out the President most voted for had been overthrown, when they protested they were attacked by the Ukrainian army, the rest is history.

That's ukrainian self determination. That's why a russian shill like you doesn't like it.