Judaism and zionism are extreme opposites

[theDoctorisIn]

I know. You said Satmar did not protest. I corrected you.

I said that they do not protest the existence of the state of Israel. And they do not.

 

[louie888]

From the Jewish source above...

Rabbi David Neiderman told the thousands assembled. “Benjamin Netanyahu, stop speaking on our behalf and directing us what to do.”

“We in America and Jews all over the world are loyal citizens in the respective countries we reside in, and no other foreign government can claim to represent us or speak on our behalf,” he proclaimed.
read more: Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews protest in NYC over Netanyahu's speech

 

[theDoctorisIn]

From the Jewish source above...

Rabbi David Neiderman told the thousands assembled. “Benjamin Netanyahu, stop speaking on our behalf and directing us what to do.”

“We in America and Jews all over the world are loyal citizens in the respective countries we reside in, and no other foreign government can claim to represent us or speak on our behalf,” he proclaimed.
read more: Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews protest in NYC over Netanyahu's speech

Yes.

Are you having a hard time understanding what he's saying?

He is not protesting the existence of the State of Israel, he is saying that Bibi does not speak for him, or Jews as a whole.

 

[rylah]

What a load of bullshit. The Jews "fighting the Catholic Church" were European Jews with little to no ancestral ties to the Middle East. They were descendants of European converts. The Jews in Spain had arrived with the Muslim invaders and it was not to be expected that the Christians would allow a part of the invasion and colonizing forces to remain in Spain without becoming Christians, Muslims and Jews that converted to Christianity remained in Spain most of the Muslim and Jewish less-wealthy found it convenient to convert. The previous ruling class, which included Jews, had the interest and means to retreat to Muslim territory in North Africa. Some of these wealthy Jews moved to Livorno in Italy, and established their previous Spanish businesses there.

'Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts,


......maternal lineages did not originate in the Near or Middle East or the Khazarian Caucasus but rather, for the most part, within Mediterranean Europe. Another twist in the findings: Jewish women may have been assimilated in Europe as far back as 2,000 years ago—earlier than most other studies have projected. The researchers believe the DNA could trace back to the early Roman Empire, when as much as 10 percent of the population practiced Judaism, many of them converts...........................80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe...."

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

Does it confirm Judaism and Zionism are 'extremely opposed'?
Seem You're just recycling the same 'ol we see You push in every other thread.

Funny how both the OP and the other automatic bots who demonize Jews on a daily basis here- have no ability to string coherent sentences about the basics of Judaism on their own.

 

[theliq]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Because Zionism is a Terrorist Organization....Orthodox Jews Detest Zionists(this Cult who were formed in the 1890's by an Athiest Jew) That's why

 

[theliq]

From the Jewish source above...

Rabbi David Neiderman told the thousands assembled. “Benjamin Netanyahu, stop speaking on our behalf and directing us what to do.”

“We in America and Jews all over the world are loyal citizens in the respective countries we reside in, and no other foreign government can claim to represent us or speak on our behalf,” he proclaimed.
read more: Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews protest in NYC over Netanyahu's speech

Yes.

Are you having a hard time understanding what he's saying?

He is not protesting the existence of the State of Israel, he is saying that Bibi does not speak for him, or Jews as a whole.

Because he is a Zionist and Israel has been hijacked by this Terrorist Organization,to the point that the Zionists claim that Judaism is Zionism..which is a crock of shit.steven

 

[theliq]

From the Jewish source above...

Rabbi David Neiderman told the thousands assembled. “Benjamin Netanyahu, stop speaking on our behalf and directing us what to do.”

“We in America and Jews all over the world are loyal citizens in the respective countries we reside in, and no other foreign government can claim to represent us or speak on our behalf,” he proclaimed.
read more: Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews protest in NYC over Netanyahu's speech

Yes.

Are you having a hard time understanding what he's saying?

He is not protesting the existence of the State of Israel, he is saying that Bibi does not speak for him, or Jews as a whole.

Because he is a Zionist and Israel has been hijacked by this Terrorist Organization,to the point that the Zionists claim that Judaism is Zionism..which is a crock of shit.steven

ps.....anyhow,Zionists mainly comprise of Synthetic Jews who have been Converted....they have no direct lineage to Abraham etc.

 

[theliq]

your op started with orthodox march against Zionism, the garden variety goyim knows no difference

Which is a big reason why I am here explaining this. Israeli shills on this board act like they speak for the Jewish people and pretend the same things - lies - that we are beaten over the head wth by MSM, especially Hollywood.

Not to be nasty, but how much Talmud Torah do you have? or was it just s few years, enough to get you through your Bar Mitzvah

Not at all, it's a fair question. I read from the Torah at my Bar Mitzvah. I never studied the Talmud til years later.

...But there must be a reason this Israel is rejected.

If you have read along, it should be clear. Regardless of how the Israelis act and what they pretend, murder and taking land by force is a big no-no in G-d's eyes.

Sure, this Israel was born out of the hell of the Holocaust, hardly God´s work.

The zionist's role in the holocaust is rarely if ever spoken of, but the zionist leaders were willing to sacrifice Jewish lives because they only wanted immigration to Palestine. Whole other thread, though.

And 100's of thousands of them....these are and always have been a disgusting,shameful and self interested Cult

 

[theliq]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Arab Zionism is a contradiction in terms.....silly that's Silly Bleipriester,I suggest you change your Medication ASAP

 

[Bleipriester]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Arab Zionism is a contradiction in terms.....silly that's Silly Bleipriester,I suggest you change your Medication ASAP

Well, if you are unable to see the satiric nature of this you might explain why Arab Zionism is that absurd while the others are completely ordinary.

 

[Challenger]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Arab Zionism is a contradiction in terms.....silly that's Silly Bleipriester,I suggest you change your Medication ASAP

May well be, but it exists Arabs For Israel

 

[Bleipriester]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Arab Zionism is a contradiction in terms.....silly that's Silly Bleipriester,I suggest you change your Medication ASAP

May well be, but it exists Arabs For Israel

May be. The Arab party in Israel is Anti-Zionist, though.
See also:
Christian Zionism - Wikipedia

 

[theliq]

So they don´t like Zionists. But why don´t they like Israel? What about an Israel not ruled by Zionists?

Here are some political positions of Israeli parties:
Zionism
Labor Zionism
Liberal Zionism
Revisionist Zionism
Neo-Zionism
World Zionism
Anti-Zionism

Maybe, there could be even more:
Arab Zionism
Drone Zionism
Environment Zionism
Internet Zionism
Saudi Zionism
Two-State Zionism
Welfare Zionism

What do you think?

Arab Zionism is a contradiction in terms.....silly that's Silly Bleipriester,I suggest you change your Medication ASAP

May well be, but it exists Arabs For Israel

Well Challenger,some Arabs could well be for Israel but I doubt many would be in favour of Zionism,unless they were Mentally Unhinged...This would be an Oxymoron methinks

 

[GHook93]

What a load of bullshit. The Jews "fighting the Catholic Church" were European Jews with little to no ancestral ties to the Middle East. They were descendants of European converts. The Jews in Spain had arrived with the Muslim invaders and it was not to be expected that the Christians would allow a part of the invasion and colonizing forces to remain in Spain without becoming Christians, Muslims and Jews that converted to Christianity remained in Spain most of the Muslim and Jewish less-wealthy found it convenient to convert. The previous ruling class, which included Jews, had the interest and means to retreat to Muslim territory in North Africa. Some of these wealthy Jews moved to Livorno in Italy, and established their previous Spanish businesses there.

'Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts,


......maternal lineages did not originate in the Near or Middle East or the Khazarian Caucasus but rather, for the most part, within Mediterranean Europe. Another twist in the findings: Jewish women may have been assimilated in Europe as far back as 2,000 years ago—earlier than most other studies have projected. The researchers believe the DNA could trace back to the early Roman Empire, when as much as 10 percent of the population practiced Judaism, many of them converts...........................80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe...."

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The grand **** speaks. A Muslim like you is so Fucking clueless you think Islam is a feminist religion!


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[montelatici]

What a load of bullshit. The Jews "fighting the Catholic Church" were European Jews with little to no ancestral ties to the Middle East. They were descendants of European converts. The Jews in Spain had arrived with the Muslim invaders and it was not to be expected that the Christians would allow a part of the invasion and colonizing forces to remain in Spain without becoming Christians, Muslims and Jews that converted to Christianity remained in Spain most of the Muslim and Jewish less-wealthy found it convenient to convert. The previous ruling class, which included Jews, had the interest and means to retreat to Muslim territory in North Africa. Some of these wealthy Jews moved to Livorno in Italy, and established their previous Spanish businesses there.

'Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts,


......maternal lineages did not originate in the Near or Middle East or the Khazarian Caucasus but rather, for the most part, within Mediterranean Europe. Another twist in the findings: Jewish women may have been assimilated in Europe as far back as 2,000 years ago—earlier than most other studies have projected. The researchers believe the DNA could trace back to the early Roman Empire, when as much as 10 percent of the population practiced Judaism, many of them converts...........................80 percent of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to Europe...."

Ashkenazi Jewish women descended mostly from Italian converts, new study asserts | Genetic Literacy Project

The grand **** speaks. A Muslim like you is so Fucking clueless you think Islam is a feminist religion!


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Moron, the article has nothing to do with Islam, plus I am a European Roman Catholic that believes that Islam is a disgusting religion. Just shut the f_ck up unless you know what you are talking about.

 

[louie888]

 

[theliq]

YOU ZIONIST NOW SEE AND UNDERSTAND,HOW I HAVE EXPOSED YOU ALL AS S.Y.N.T.H.E.T.I.C.S,only theliq knows the truth and speaks it,unlike YOU ZIONIST TERRORIST RABBLE OF LIARS

 

[Challenger]

The holliness of the land is not a subject to the the amount of Jews in or their personal choices.

No, but if the land was so "holy" and Jewish people had such a "yearning" to return, you'd think more than 15,000 would have made the trip in the 1200 years where there was no restrictions on settlement there by anyone including Jewish people.

Wealthy people like Maimonides and others tried to settle but didn't manage to stay for long.

There's no objective evidence Maimonides ever tried to settle there, he made his pilgrimage to Jerusalem and left, to settle in Egypt.

Moving to Palestine meant facing constantly changing rulers, wars, facing hunger, malaria, monetary hardships and especially in the light of the special 'Jewish taxes'.

In over 1,278 years between the arab conquest in 636 until 1914 there were approximately 900 years of peaceful stable government in Palestine during which there was no restrictions on travel or settlement by Jewish people, no massacres, hunger, etc. Yet only a tiny, tiny minority of Europe's, North Africa's and the rest of the Middle East's Jewish population bothered to go there and settle, not much of a "yearning" to "return" is there? Puts the lie to the Zionist narrative; Zionists lie, period.

The most opposing and prominent Rabbis of that time- Rabi Israel Baal Shem Tov and his counterpart Rabi Elyahu the Gaon agreed on one thing- they both sent whole communities to Israel to settle and enforce the longstanding communities in Jerusalem, Hebron, Shchem, Beit El, Sefad and Tiberias.

Did they? How many in total? Care to provide a link or source?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The holliness of the land is not a subject to the the amount of Jews in or their personal choices.

No, but if the land was so "holy" and Jewish people had such a "yearning" to return, you'd think more than 15,000 would have made the trip in the 1200 years where there was no restrictions on settlement there by anyone including Jewish people.

Wealthy people like Maimonides and others tried to settle but didn't manage to stay for long.

There's no objective evidence Maimonides ever tried to settle there, he made his pilgrimage to Jerusalem and left, to settle in Egypt.

Moving to Palestine meant facing constantly changing rulers, wars, facing hunger, malaria, monetary hardships and especially in the light of the special 'Jewish taxes'.

In over 1,278 years between the arab conquest in 636 until 1914 there were approximately 900 years of peaceful stable government in Palestine during which there was no restrictions on travel or settlement by Jewish people, no massacres, hunger, etc. Yet only a tiny, tiny minority of Europe's, North Africa's and the rest of the Middle East's Jewish population bothered to go there and settle, not much of a "yearning" to "return" is there? Puts the lie to the Zionist narrative; Zionists lie, period.

The most opposing and prominent Rabbis of that time- Rabi Israel Baal Shem Tov and his counterpart Rabi Elyahu the Gaon agreed on one thing- they both sent whole communities to Israel to settle and enforce the longstanding communities in Jerusalem, Hebron, Shchem, Beit El, Sefad and Tiberias.

Did they? How many in total? Care to provide a link or source?

Excellent post, thank you.

 

[rylah]

The holliness of the land is not a subject to the the amount of Jews in or their personal choices.

No, but if the land was so "holy" and Jewish people had such a "yearning" to return, you'd think more than 15,000 would have made the trip in the 1200 years where there was no restrictions on settlement there by anyone including Jewish people.

Wealthy people like Maimonides and others tried to settle but didn't manage to stay for long.

There's no objective evidence Maimonides ever tried to settle there, he made his pilgrimage to Jerusalem and left, to settle in Egypt.

Moving to Palestine meant facing constantly changing rulers, wars, facing hunger, malaria, monetary hardships and especially in the light of the special 'Jewish taxes'.

In over 1,278 years between the arab conquest in 636 until 1914 there were approximately 900 years of peaceful stable government in Palestine during which there was no restrictions on travel or settlement by Jewish people, no massacres, hunger, etc. Yet only a tiny, tiny minority of Europe's, North Africa's and the rest of the Middle East's Jewish population bothered to go there and settle, not much of a "yearning" to "return" is there? Puts the lie to the Zionist narrative; Zionists lie, period.

The most opposing and prominent Rabbis of that time- Rabi Israel Baal Shem Tov and his counterpart Rabi Elyahu the Gaon agreed on one thing- they both sent whole communities to Israel to settle and enforce the longstanding communities in Jerusalem, Hebron, Shchem, Beit El, Sefad and Tiberias.

Did they? How many in total? Care to provide a link or source?

1. I think I have already explained that from various anegles. And indeed if 15,000 Jews were found in Palestine prior to the firs Zionist immigration in Palestine, taking in account all the looting of the communities, the destruction of Sefad and Tiberias as well as the massacres in Jerusalem, this actually shows that much more than 15000 have been immigrating throughout the time to keep that number (in relation to the ethnic cleansing of Jews in Palestine).

2. Thew fact of the pilgrimage itself indicates to the holiness of Israel to Jews.
Otherwise he could just go straight to Morocco where he tried to settle before Egypt. Nahmonides is another example.
The main question here is are You willing to accept sources written by Jews?

3. I have showed numerous times that life in Palestine was indeed difficult especially for Jews, being a minority among Muslims who taxed them heavily. And of course the casual massacre here and there (see looting and destruction of Sefad a couple of times and the Arab peasant Revolt just 50 years prior to Zionism).

Basically Your premise here is- why if they were a persecuted minority, why didn't the all move to Israel. And the answer is in the question- they were a persecuted minority .
It's the same as asking "if the peasants and workers didn't like to be bullied- why didn't they make a Bolshevic revolution 600 years prior to that"- The answer is in the question.
One can only claim Jews had freedom to act and organize in that regard only through ignoring the status of the Jews in exile.

4. Some thousands. Again if You're willing to accept Jewish sources.
However I think I can find other sources for numbers and dates after Shabat. But with simple research You can find the same I will- and if You're rational and unbiased You'll find it Yourself. Look for Hassidic immigration, and the students of Vilnius Gaon.

Shabas Shalom.