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[alexa]

Decline of unions has lead to an out of kilter society where the rich get richer and the poor get shit on.

On something I was watching a day or two ago they were talking about the last time we were in this situation 70's, 80's. like now inflation was high and people were having trouble trying to put food on the table. We didn't have the internet then but the press worked on destroying workers. Rather than trying to raise their pay packet so that in real terms it was the same, they were described as taking the country to ransom and getting up to some strange activity in graveyards or something. The show noted how last time they made the workers pay for the mistakes of Capitalists and this has become what always happens. The want it to be the same this time. However you could not get a better time to reverse it than now.

 

[alexa]

Good point. PUts her support of unions into an odd light. A very scary light.

why scary? why odd?

 

[Correll]

why scary? why odd?

The implication is that she will support them now, because they are useful to her in undermining the current system, but once she gets her way and hte Marxists are in charge, they will all be part of the mass murders that is almost universal with communist take overs.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ebenezer Scrooge Is Your Messiah

That makes this Terminal Capitalism a dictatorship. Only cowards and bootlickers put up with a dictatorship. As if the boss would never underpay when he has all the power to do just that. There is no way for him to determine what is the appropriate pay without being influenced by his own megalomania.

/----/ Apparently you don't know the character of Ebenezer Scrooge. In the end, he was a kind and generous soul. I suggest you watch the movie.

 

[Polishprince]

What were you wanting from them. I say that because you appear to be aware they give a lot.

My point is that Big Labor didn't give me a damn thing.

After subtracting union dues, I made more at a minimum wage job. And I still had to work at the gig- it wasn't like I had a "no work" or "no show" position. The only "no" I had was "no benefits"

Big Labor didn't deliver to me in 1980's Youngstown when I would have really appreciated it.

 

[Blues Man]

I have no idea who this girl is but she gets it completely. Smashes the tory interviewer off the set.

No thanks.

 

[alexa]

Whatever Entire Group Is Never Targeted Controls the Netrix

Read The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo trilogy. Hereditary position is all over Sweden, though, of course, the author is not allowed to emphasize its pervasiveness.

More importantly, a genius like that afflicted girl has no chance. Superior minds, when they humbly become Cash Cows for Corporate Cowboys, create all the plutocracy's passed-on wealth. Even when she does what High IQs must do to get their proper place—drain the plutocrats' bank accounts and trust funds through hacking—she does it only to get even for a guy she loved who'd been falsely imprisoned by one of the them.

I don't think the Killing and imprisonment was Marxist and if you are talking about Russia many communists did not agree that this was Communism - they were still lowly peasants.

Ash does not come over as that sort of person at all and nor most certainly are people who describe themselves as Marxist. But she does say she is very angry and she doesn't show that much either.I would give her the benefit of the doubt for now. She comes over as a caring person though of course if you want to become part of a communist party which she tells you about, ask plenty then. There are so many million of ways that communism can be understood and most people say both China and Russia got it wrong.

 

[alexa]

My point is that Big Labor didn't give me a damn thing.

After subtracting union dues, I made more at a minimum wage job. And I still had to work at the gig- it wasn't like I had a "no work" or "no show" position. The only "no" I had was "no benefits"

Big Labor didn't deliver to me in 1980's Youngstown when

I'm guessing you are speaking of the States. Want to tell me a bit about the Big Labor you are talking about. I would have really appreciated it. I think I accidentally knocked half your last line off. Not deliberate. I'm guessing you are speaking of the States. Want to tell me a bit about the Big Labor you are talking about. I would have really appreciated it. apologies.

 

[Polishprince]

I'm guessing you are speaking of the States. Want to tell me a bit about the Big Labor you are talking about. I would have really appreciated it. I think I accidentally knocked half your last line off. Not deliberate. I'm guessing you are speaking of the States. Want to tell me a bit about the Big Labor you are talking about. I would have really appreciated it. apologies.

I was a proud member of the UFCW, United Food and Commercial Workers.

Like I said, I was a young man at the time and I think I would have been great at being a business agent or organizer with a no-show job, hanging out at the local Italian club with the goombas.

But instead, Big Labor had no place for me, and I was just better off being a Scab.

 

[para bellum]

Don't forgot the other paradigm: punishing workers who are TOO productive because it makes everyone else look bad and shows the bosses what you can really do!

This. I got threatened with a write- up for working into the lunch hour. I was on a finish pass, I had about 10 minutes before I could get out of the cut. I was supposed to just stop the machine and let is dwell. No way I was going to do that- it would have left a line on the part that would have to be finessed out later. Plus, this was a high-fatigue part that got replaced on hours because it was critical to flight safety.

I had 4 of them on the table, they were about 60K ea. I was not going to do anything that would remotely compromise the parts. I finished the cut and came back from lunch 10 minutes late.

I was not supposed to clear the chips off the table or sweep the floor around the machine. When they piled up, I was supposed to stop the machine and call a sweeper. I said hell with that, I can clear chips while the machine is running. I know when it's safe to turn away for a moment, and I know when I have to have my finger on the hold button- and I know how long I have between those times, and I can tell by the vibrations of the machine if the cutters are happy.

I was hired as a journeyman, and I used my best judgement as the owner would want me to. He was my employer, not the union.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

On something I was watching a day or two ago they were talking about the last time we were in this situation 70's, 80's. like now inflation was high and people were having trouble trying to put food on the table. We didn't have the internet then but the press worked on destroying workers. Rather than trying to raise their pay packet so that in real terms it was the same, they were described as taking the country to ransom and getting up to some strange activity in graveyards or something. The show noted how last time they made the workers pay for the mistakes of Capitalists and this has become what always happens. The want it to be the same this time. However you could not get a better time to reverse it than now.

I think that the key time is now. Polls today show that the public now support the railwaymen.
Also strikes at heathrow,the posties are coming outc and the firemen.
I also notice that the Barristers are not getting the same hate as the railwaymen.
Bitain is broken and it needs the workers to knock it into shape.
The american snti worker posters on here are management lackies too scareed to stand up to the boss. They are mice not men.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't think the Killing and imprisonment was Marxist and if you are talking about Russia many communists did not agree that this was Communism - they were still lowly peasants.

Ash does not come over as that sort of person at all and nor most certainly are people who describe themselves as Marxist. But she does say she is very angry and she doesn't show that much either.I would give her the benefit of the doubt for now. She comes over as a caring person though of course if you want to become part of a communist party which she tells you about, ask plenty then. There are so many million of ways that communism can be understood and most people say both China and Russia got it wrong.

Anyone Born With a Silver Spoon in His Mouth Needs It Shoved Down His Throat

Ash Sarker is a Brahmin from high up in India's destructive caste system. It is equivalent to New England's Old Money ("Boston Brahmins"), Mandarins in defunct China, and the Hebrew high priests who got Jesus crucified.

So you prove my point. Socialism has always been a fraud instigated by upper-class guillotine-fodder. The heiristocratic survivors of the French Revolution broke into two groups: the reactionary Fascists and their equal and opposite evil, spoiled-putrid scum who saw the way to the survival of Birth-Class Supremacy is to pretend to be on the side of the masses, sucker them into supporting this fake Left, and then, finally and absolutely, when carried into power, becoming dictators over the proletariat.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I think that the key time is now. Polls today show that the public now support the railwaymen.
Also strikes at heathrow,the posties are coming outc and the firemen.
I also notice that the Barristers are not getting the same hate as the railwaymen.
Bitain is broken and it needs the workers to knock it into shape.
The american snti worker posters on here are management lackies too scareed to stand up to the boss. They are mice not men.

Wannabe Yuppies

The boot polish on the Plutes' boots they lick has warped their brains.

 

[toobfreak]

This. I got threatened with a write- up for working into the lunch hour. I was on a finish pass, I had about 10 minutes before I could get out of the cut. I was supposed to just stop the machine and let is dwell. No way I was going to do that- it would have left a line on the part that would have to be finessed out later. Plus, this was a high-fatigue part that got replaced on hours because it was critical to flight safety.

I had 4 of them on the table, they were about 60K ea. I was not going to do anything that would remotely compromise the parts. I finished the cut and came back from lunch 10 minutes late.

I was not supposed to clear the chips off the table or sweep the floor around the machine. When they piled up, I was supposed to stop the machine and call a sweeper. I said hell with that, I can clear chips while the machine is running. I know when it's safe to turn away for a moment, and I know when I have to have my finger on the hold button- and I know how long I have between those times, and I can tell by the vibrations of the machine if the cutters are happy.

I was hired as a journeyman, and I used my best judgement as the owner would want me to. He was my employer, not the union.

I can relate both as a former employer and as someone with their own machine shop. Without the company, there are no union jobs. The better the company does, the better for its workers and labor relations. I never understood why some of these union rules have to be so thickheaded, costly to the company, hurt production, or so inflexible. There might be a lot more unions today if they weren't so greedy, which is a shame because there is a lot of GOOD in unions as well as bad.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And so it goes on.

BT staff vote for first national strike in 35 years

Landline and broadband customers told to expect disruption as engineers, call centre and shop staff back action

www.theguardian.com

BT Group made £1.3 billion profit and handed their chief executive a 32% pay rise. But BT workers were told that they couldn't have a proper pay rise. Well BT workers today showed they won't accept that lying down by voting for strike action.

BT staff havent been on strike for 35 years. Harfly marxist stooges.

 

[alexa]

Anyone Born With a Silver Spoon in His Mouth Needs It Shoved Down His Throat

Ash Sarker is a Brahmin from high up in India's destructive caste system. It is equivalent to New England's Old Money ("Boston Brahmins"), Mandarins in defunct China, and the Hebrew high priests who got Jesus crucified.

She must be a hell of a liar because I have heard her talk about being a Muslim. Even wiki has her as a Muslim. It is well known.

So you prove my point. Socialism has always been a fraud instigated by upper-class guillotine-fodder. The heiristocratic survivors of the French Revolution broke into two groups: the reactionary Fascists and their equal and opposite evil, spoiled-putrid scum who saw the way to the survival of Birth-Class Supremacy is to pretend to be on the side of the masses, sucker them into supporting this fake Left, and then, finally and absolutely, when carried into power, becoming dictators over the proletariat.

Oh so this is because I would not support mass killing. I believe there is one reason and one reason only that we have the right to take the life of another and that is for imminent self defence. That is my personal view. It doesn't change for anyone.

I also disagree with your view that only people born into the depths of poverty can work for constructive change. Indeed one of the strongest left politicians the UK has had since democracy was invented was I am pretty sure a member of the aristocracy. He was called Tony Ben. Empathy and a conscience go a long way. Besides of which I am not a Communist.

 

[alexa]

Enjoy!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I can relate both as a former employer and as someone with their own machine shop. Without the company, there are no union jobs. The better the company does, the better for its workers and labor relations. I never understood why some of these union rules have to be so thickheaded, costly to the company, hurt production, or so inflexible. There might be a lot more unions today if they weren't so greedy, which is a shame because there is a lot of GOOD in unions as well as bad.

Management by Imagination

Did you ever ask the malingerers why they hated the company so much? It is resentment against the White-Collar employees and their snobbery in never lowering themselves to come down to the ground floor. Instead, the Yuppies sit in their offices and fantasize that they are the motor that makes the business run.

Also, maybe these guys had to settle for less in their negotiations. So they got even by working less, giving the company only what they felt the company had given to them. For minimum wages, the bosses deserve to get only minimum work.

It used to be that instead of sucking their thumbs in college and only learning theory and nothing about the actual company they would work for, then starting above all the blue-collar workers, the managers had started down there and worked their way up the ranks. So the workers don't think of a Sissy in a Suitcoat as one of their own who made it big. This alienation leads to a lack of interest in helping the company that elevated such people.

 

[Ringo]

Lying evil hypocrite

 

[Polishprince]

Management by Imagination

Did you ever ask the malingerers why they hated the company so much? It is resentment against the White-Collar employees and their snobbery in never lowering themselves to come down to the ground floor. Instead, the Yuppies sit in their offices and fantasize that they are the motor that makes the business run.

Also, maybe these guys had to settle for less in their negotiations. So they got even by working less, giving the company only what they felt the company had given to them. For minimum wages, the bosses deserve to get only minimum work.

It used to be that instead of sucking their thumbs in college and only learning theory and nothing about the actual company they would work for, then starting above all the blue-collar workers, the managers had started down there and worked their way up the ranks. So the workers don't think of a Sissy in a Suitcoat as one of their own who made it big. This alienation leads to a lack of interest in helping the company that elevated such people.

Sounds sort of short sighted to try and sabotage your employer when you depend on the paycheck you get from them. After all, if you think you are being abused, why not just quit instead?

Of course the reason for that is the union labor is based on the "Seniority" concept- longevity on a job instead of the quality of the work being done.