Israel violates international law

[Billo_Really]

It didn't as it annexed the land with the full support of the UN, so the land became part of Jordan. You should be fully aware of this as you have posted enough links surrounding this aspect on other topics. Israel occupied it from 1967 till 1994 when Jordan gifted Israel with the land. So now were is your nation of Palestine ?

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Period.

There is nothing you can say that will change the reality of that fact.

 

[Phoenall]

I was just throwing out one of those questions that are never answered.

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

The West Bank was a state?

Jordan was a state that legally annexed the land with the blessing of the UN

 

[Phoenall]

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

So it didn't belong to anyone.
No state to give it back to, I think they should keep it.

Just what do you mean? Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership, or is it the right wing serenade of there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Your double talk will never fly in the face of justice...

How about facts then.

Who legally annexed the land in 1949 ?

Who transferred ownership of the land in 1994 ?

Who became the new owner of the land in 1994 ?

 

[Billo_Really]

How about facts then.

Who legally annexed the land in 1949 ?

Who transferred ownership of the land in 1994 ?

Who became the new owner of the land in 1994 ?

Who's the leader of the pack

that's made for you and me?

M - I - C -

K - E - Y

M - O - U - S - E

Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse...​

 

[Phoenall]

Just what do you mean? Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership, or is it the right wing serenade of there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Your double talk will never fly in the face of justice...

Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership

For the most part, yes.

there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Correct, twice.

Well then produce the links that support your view and there won't be a need for the present peace discussions.

Just have to say one thing the Palestinian people declared their state in 1988, until then there was no Palestinian state or people. You admitted this on another thread.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership

For the most part, yes.

there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Correct, twice.

Well then produce the links that support your view and there won't be a need for the present peace discussions.

You need a link to know there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Here we go the official declaration of the state of Palestine.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Palestine, officially the State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين* Dawlat Filasṭīn), is a state in the Levant. Its independence was declared on 15 November 1988 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and its government-in-exile in Algiers. It claims sovereignty over the Palestinian territories,[13] and has designated Jerusalem as its capita

 

[Phoenall]

Toddsterpatriot, Victory67, et al,

There is a lot of confusion in this discussion.

First, in order to answer some of the questions, you have to be specific about:

• What period of time we are discussion?
• What land or territory we are specifically addressing?

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

So it didn't belong to anyone.
No state to give it back to, I think they should keep it.

(COMMENT)

Secondly, there is also a difference between confiscation (real-estate land ownership as a civil matter), and annexation (having nothing to do with civil land ownership, but alters sovereignty).

I notice that in a number of Arab-Israeli discussions, this two concepts (land ownership and sovereignty) are often confused or thought to be one and the same thing. They are not. Sovereignty does not alter land ownership.

For instance, the entire West Bank, while under occupation, is sovereign Palestinian territory. And while there are Israeli Settlements inside the West Bank, the land ownership has not changed unless the original Palestinian Owners have been duly compensated, or the land in question changed hands according to local real property laws.

• Private property cannot be confiscated without just cause and proper compensation.
• Destruction of real or personal property is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

Now clearly, the Israeli Settlement Programs in the West Bank must be address as a matter of restitution and reparation in any formal Peace Negotiation. I think nearly everyone knows this.

Currently, such legal settlements and compensation are being held hostage to a good faith outcome of such negotiation.

Most Respectfully,
R

What are the rules on annexed land being transferred to another nation, does the ownership pass on or does it stay with the original nation that annexed the land.

 

[Phoenall]

So it didn't belong to anyone.
No state to give it back to, I think they should keep it.

much of the West Bank was and is privately owned by Palestinians.

Then let them produce the title deeds of such ownership, the Jews have done so in regards to land in gaza and the west bank.

 

[Phoenall]

Just what do you mean? Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership, or is it the right wing serenade of there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Your double talk will never fly in the face of justice...

Thanks to the hard work by Peace Now using information provided to them by the Israeli govt., the world now knows to what extent Israel has stolen private property in the West Bank to build their settlements.

Around 33% of all land that the settlements are built on, was stolen from Palestinian private land owners.

Your evidence and proof that the land has been stolen, and not some biased site that is anti Israel

 

[Phoenall]

I have told you many times that if it is a defensive war where land is gained then it is legal.

It's not a defensive war, if you're the one who fired the first shot.

Since Israel fired the first shot, you need to drop this "defensive war" BS.

As far as your claim "to the victor, goes the spoils", you've never produced anything regarding IHL, to prove that was true.

So just when did Israel fire the first shot ?

 

[Phoenall]

the 4th Geneva Conventions is an international law, and Israel has sworn to abide by and follow it.

Many Zionists argue that Israel has a right to settle Jews in all of the West Bank, due to the rights afforded to the Jewish people in the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, and the Mandate for Palestine. I'm glad to hear you state that these laws are now null and void, and the rights guaranteed to the Jews in these laws are now null & void.

That means that the only laws Israel must still abide by are the 4th GC and the UN Charter, and they both forbid the confiscation of private property in Occupied Territory for civilian housing.

And the right of return that grants them the right to return to their ancestral homes stolen by the muslim hordes in 1948. Or do you think that the Jews should not be afforded this INTERNATIONAL LAW and should be evicted from the land they hold title to. So do show were the land they occupy is not theirs with full title.

The Jews held title to 6% of the land in 1948.

And how much did the nomadic workers hold title to, the history books say that the muslims held title to nothing as they were mostly tenant farmers. But the right of return allows for Palestinians who have never settled in Palestine to claim land they never owned as theirs. So surely the same must apply to Israel. If a Jew had stayed on the land in the past then under the Palestinian criteria he is allowed by law to claim that land as his.

OTHERWISE THE WHOLE RIGHT OF RETURN IS A RACIST CONCEPT BIASED IN THE FAVOUR OF ISLAMIC TAKE OVER AND LAND THEFT.

 

[Phoenall]

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

So does this mean that America is in violation of the 4th Geneva convention by occupying American land ? Because that is what you have just stated above.

The land has to have a nations ownership before it can be occupied, or it is land open to settlement as ownerless.

There was no international law at that time.

So has International Law yet to be implemented by the nations of the world. The question is if the interpretation of the Geneva conventions is that the land is occupied is the land was not held by a nation. So this means that America is occupying American land today. It also means that Jordan occupies Palestinian land today. As does Syria, Iraq and Lebanon

 

[Phoenall]

And the right of return that grants them the right to return to their ancestral homes stolen by the muslim hordes in 1948. Or do you think that the Jews should not be afforded this INTERNATIONAL LAW and should be evicted from the land they hold title to. So do show were the land they occupy is not theirs with full title.

You don't "occupy" land you own. You own it!

You "occupy" land that isn't yours. And that land, isn't Israel's.

It never was Israel's and will never be, Israel's.

It was not given to Israel, nor will the world community stand by and let Israel keep that land. The only thing you can do with an "occupation", is end it. That is the only option on Israel's table. They can do it voluntarily on their own, or eventually be forced to. Either way, they will have their Eisenhower moment.

Not Israeli land but JEWISH LAND, can you see the difference yet or are you so steeped in your hatred for the Jews and Israel.

The land under the right of return is Jewish, not Israeli, so the Jews who lived there prior to 1948 and who were forcibly evicted by the muslims have the legal right under right of return to claim this land back.

Or do you believe that INTERNATIONAL LAW does not extend to the JEWISH PEOPLE and only applies to muslim free loaders.

 

[eagle1462010]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f81j5Zk-GSA]What Really Happened in the Middle East - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Phoenall]

It didn't as it annexed the land with the full support of the UN, so the land became part of Jordan. You should be fully aware of this as you have posted enough links surrounding this aspect on other topics. Israel occupied it from 1967 till 1994 when Jordan gifted Israel with the land. So now were is your nation of Palestine ?

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Period.

There is nothing you can say that will change the reality of that fact.

Then you are blinkered and wont listen to reason and reality.

Were does it say that the right of return does not apply to the JEWISH PEOPLE and only to the muslims.

The land of the west bank was annexed by Jordan and ratified as Jordanian by the UN, making the west bank and Jerusalem part of Jordan. With me so far as regards legal ownership of the west bank. In 1967 this land was occupied by Israel under the Geneva conventions rules as a purely defensive move . In 1994 Israel and Jordan met and talked about peace and mutual borders, as part of the deal Israel complied with un 242 and offered the occupied land back to its rightful owner Jordan. Jordan refused the offer and gifted Israel with the land and all of its problems. This transferred legal ownership of the land formerly known as the west bank to Israel. So in reality the land is part of Israel but the populace aren't and that is were the problems begin.

Read and digest the full implications of the peace treaty.

The Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty

 

[jillian]

It didn't as it annexed the land with the full support of the UN, so the land became part of Jordan. You should be fully aware of this as you have posted enough links surrounding this aspect on other topics. Israel occupied it from 1967 till 1994 when Jordan gifted Israel with the land. So now were is your nation of Palestine ?

It is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war. Period.

There is nothing you can say that will change the reality of that fact.

really? that's interesting.

so you're asserting that the united states should return land to the mexicans and native americans?

interesting.

and other than the aggressive land grabs of the nazis, what countries have been forced to return land… especially land won in defensive battle.

you might want to hit the history books at some point…. which might also tell you that the so-called palestinians lived in trans-jordan and, rightfully, should have been part of jordan. but jordan didn't want them.

and on what planet do people get do-overs in war?

lol

 

[Phoenall]

How about facts then.

Who legally annexed the land in 1949 ?

Who transferred ownership of the land in 1994 ?

Who became the new owner of the land in 1994 ?

Who's the leader of the pack

that's made for you and me?

M - I - C -

K - E - Y

M - O - U - S - E

Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse...​

As expected once the chips are down you don't want to play. Cant stand seeing all your ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED blowing up in your face. Don't want to answer because it will show how much you have been brainwashed by islamonazi propaganda.

 

[eagle1462010]

Over and over again, this thread shows the propaganda machine LYING about History in order to turn the world against Israel.........The last video is the truth as it has been posted during this thread by various posters.................

None of the countries in the Middle East Existed until the 20th Century. NONE OF THEM...........They were all part of the Ottoman Empire, which also included Egypt and Libya.................The Ottoman Empire fell in WWI and the area was OCCUPIED by the BRITISH and FRENCH................

They then promised those living in these territories of the Ottoman Empire Countries of their own. They fulfilled these promises and the countries were created. JORDAN STOLE almost all of the so called Palestinian Territory when Jordan was created............and again took control of the West Bank later to give it back after OCCUPYING IT. They left a NO MAN'S land there forcing present day Palestinians in Refugee Camps........................

The Muslim Brother Hood, Hamas, Hezballah, and the Arab League were formed FOR ONE REASON. The Destruction of Israel...................PERIOD...............

They also drove out Jews in their territories and STOLE THEIR HOMES AS WELL............850,000 of them...................Nothing is said about that....................

Finally, Israel has had to move into areas over time to stop attacks against their country from these areas...........and time and time again they moved out only to be attacked again from the areas they left...............

This ONGOING Conflict is NOT ABOUT LAND....................

It is not about a Palestinian State...................................

It is about the Destruction of Israel................................

Look at the video.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Start a thread about it.

I laugh at guys like you because you are so obvious. You are comatose as to what is happening in the rest of the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa, but only want people to concentrate on one little dot on the map only because the jews are involved.

100 billion American dollars have been given to Israel. That justifies our concern over their flagrant disregard of international law.

You're right. And the moment the US arrests itself for its own violations of international law with its drone war in Pakistan, murder of ObL (if the SEALs resigned so they could legally contract out to CIA for the operation, then they weren't soldiers involved in a legal military operation but civilians, thereby making the operation murder,) and all the other infringements of soverignity we'll get right on it re:Israel.

 

[eagle1462010]

This is what it's really about................

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eYA9NpmMJM&list=PL9A637E8154F2AF75&feature=c4-overview-vl]What Every American Needs To Know About Jihad - YouTube[/ame]

By the way, a toast to the Seal Unit who took out OBL...........