Israel violates international law

[Billo_Really]

really? that's interesting.

so you're asserting that the united states should return land to the mexicans and native americans?

That has nothing to do with this issue.

and other than the aggressive land grabs of the nazis,

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because the reason it is illegal today, is because of those aggressive land grabs the Nazis did. Conquer by Conquest has been illegal since the end of WWII.

what countries have been forced to return land…

I'm sorry, but the law doesn't work that way.

"If little Johnny doesn't have to return the shit he stole,
then the law say's I don't have to return the shit I stole!"​

What kind of a dumbass argument is that? You make that argument when you're 8, not in an international court of law.

especially land won in defensive battle.

How the **** could it be a defensive battle, when the war started with Israeli tanks rolling into Egypt?

I'm wondering, what planet are you from?

you might want to hit the history books at some point…. which might also tell you that the so-called palestinians lived in trans-jordan and, rightfully, should have been part of jordan. but jordan didn't want them.

What name you want to call that area doesn't mean shit! The fact is, there were indigenous arabs living there for generations and they have rights to. And you need to get it in your ******* head, there isn't a single argument you can come up with, that will take them away.

and on what planet do people get do-overs in war?lol

I have no idea what your point is there.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What nation's land was occupied?

Jordan was the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank from 1949 to 1967.

When Israel conquered the West Bank, they became the legal Occupying Power and are now bound by the 4th Geneva Convention's regulations upon Occupying Powers as they are a signatory to the 4th GC.

We know for a fact that Israel recognizes and acknowledges itself as the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank, because from 1967 to 1979 Israel took control of West Bank land that was privately owned, by confiscating it for temporary military purposes, which 100% follows the legal stipulations listed in the 4th GC as how and when an Occupying Power can legally confiscate private property.

The only problem is that Israel then used the land for permanent civilian settlement, which counters the clear language in the 4th GC. The Israeli Supreme Court knew this, and therefore declared the practice to be illegal in 1979 when an Israeli settlement told the court that counter to the military's claim that the land was being used temporarily, the land was intended for a permanent civilian settlement. Since then Israel has instead used the practice of confiscating private land and converting it into "State Land", and using that for settlements and settlement infrastructure.

The problem with this strategy is that according to the 4th GC, which Israel signed, State land in Occupied Territories can only be used by the Occupying Power for the common good of all residents of the Occupied Territory. Clearly, Israeli settlements and Israeli roads doesn't do much for the Palestinians.

Wrong the land was annexed and sanctioned by the UN making it Jordanian. It was the original plan to give Jordan the land anyway and have Israel bordered by Jordan. The whole of the area became a huge headache for Jordan and when Israel occupied it in 1967 they were very thankful for the loss. When Israel made the peace deal with Jordan it offered the land back as per UN res 242, the Jordanians told Israel to keep the land and sort it out. So the land ownership passed from Jordan to Israel as a result.

Not true.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Then let them produce the title deeds of such ownership, the Jews have done so in regards to land in gaza and the west bank.

Then why don't you produce those?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

Yes. And now Israel is the legal Occupier.

Read the history books and the peace deal with Jordan and then come back with the right answer

Jordan has nothing to do with Israeli occupied Palestinian land.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

One of the Hebrew words for inheritance used in the Torah is the word "stream". Because an inheritance flows uninterupted from one generation to the next. I learned that on Israel 365 Hebrew lesson and was amazed at the depth of meaning in that find.

Look:

You shall inherit the Land, each tribe equal to his brother, about which I raised My hand to give it to your forefathers; this Land shall become yours as an inheritance.


EZEKIEL (47:14)

וּנְחַלְתֶּם אוֹתָהּ אִישׁ כְּאָחִיו אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת יָדִי לְתִתָּהּ לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם וְנָפְלָה הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לָכֶם בְּנַחֲלָה
יחזקאל מ’’ז:י’’ד


oo-ne-khal-TEM oh-TAH eesh ke-ah-KHEEV ah-SHARE na-SA-tee et ya-DEE le-tee-TA la-ah-vo-tay-KHEM ve-naf-LA ha-ah-RETS ha-ZOTE la-KHEM be-na-kha-LA

Long live Israel!

 

[P F Tinmore]

So it didn't belong to anyone.
No state to give it back to, I think they should keep it.

Just what do you mean? Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership, or is it the right wing serenade of there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Your double talk will never fly in the face of justice...

How about facts then.

Who legally annexed the land in 1949 ?

Who transferred ownership of the land in 1994 ?

Who became the new owner of the land in 1994 ?

Nobody!

 

[Shaarona]

One of the Hebrew words for inheritance used in the Torah is the word "stream". Because an inheritance flows uninterupted from one generation to the next. I learned that on Israel 365 Hebrew lesson and was amazed at the depth of meaning in that find.

Look:

You shall inherit the Land, each tribe equal to his brother, about which I raised My hand to give it to your forefathers; this Land shall become yours as an inheritance.


EZEKIEL (47:14)

וּנְחַלְתֶּם אוֹתָהּ אִישׁ כְּאָחִיו אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת יָדִי לְתִתָּהּ לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם וְנָפְלָה הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לָכֶם בְּנַחֲלָה
יחזקאל מ’’ז:י’’ד


oo-ne-khal-TEM oh-TAH eesh ke-ah-KHEEV ah-SHARE na-SA-tee et ya-DEE le-tee-TA la-ah-vo-tay-KHEM ve-naf-LA ha-ah-RETS ha-ZOTE la-KHEM be-na-kha-LA

Long live Israel!

Where do you suppose the ten lost tribes are?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

This is what it's really about................

What Every American Needs To Know About Jihad - YouTube

By the way, a toast to the Seal Unit who took out OBL...........

...Most of whom are now dead. Always thought that was odd. Though not one normally given to conspiracy theories, it seemed odd that they never showed the public the corpse and we only have their word he's dead now. Then all the potential witnesses involved 1st-hand died shortly after the operation.

Wouldn't he have been a major intelligence asset to take alive? Like capturing Hitler alive. As pure propaganda he'd have been worth more alive than dead. Maybe they agreed and DID take him alive but told the world they killed him so he wouldn't be a rallying cry for jihadis? ...Or am I not supposed to say that because it's GACK Ack! (clutches throat and pitches foward)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership

For the most part, yes.

there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Correct, twice.

Well then produce the links that support your view and there won't be a need for the present peace discussions.

Just have to say one thing the Palestinian people declared their state in 1988, until then there was no Palestinian state or people. You admitted this on another thread.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

 

[TooTall]

Those with the intent to destroy violate the laws of humanity virtually every other day.................

Firing Rockets and missiles into Israel...............

Suicide bombers and terrorist attacks...............

So, the anti-semites would have Israel not return fire........................Let them stop trying to destroy Israel and perhaps they would see an end to the IDF slinging Laser guided missiles back at them...

The rockets are in response to Israeli air strikes, targeted killings and the continuing 47 year occupation of Palestinian land.

Israel gave back the Gaza strip and moved all Israeli's out of the territory. The thanks was Hamas launching rockets at Israeli civilian targets. The Israeli response was air strikes against the terrorists. I don't have a problem with that, and apparently you do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

One of the Hebrew words for inheritance used in the Torah is the word "stream". Because an inheritance flows uninterupted from one generation to the next. I learned that on Israel 365 Hebrew lesson and was amazed at the depth of meaning in that find.

Look:

You shall inherit the Land, each tribe equal to his brother, about which I raised My hand to give it to your forefathers; this Land shall become yours as an inheritance.


EZEKIEL (47:14)

וּנְחַלְתֶּם אוֹתָהּ אִישׁ כְּאָחִיו אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת יָדִי לְתִתָּהּ לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם וְנָפְלָה הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לָכֶם בְּנַחֲלָה
יחזקאל מ’’ז:י’’ד


oo-ne-khal-TEM oh-TAH eesh ke-ah-KHEEV ah-SHARE na-SA-tee et ya-DEE le-tee-TA la-ah-vo-tay-KHEM ve-naf-LA ha-ah-RETS ha-ZOTE la-KHEM be-na-kha-LA

Long live Israel!

Where do you suppose the ten lost tribes are?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DC4UatExo]What Happened To The 12 Tribes Of Israel_ - E. Raymond Capt - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I have told you many times that if it is a defensive war where land is gained then it is legal.

It's not a defensive war, if you're the one who fired the first shot.

Since Israel fired the first shot, you need to drop this "defensive war" BS.

As far as your claim "to the victor, goes the spoils", you've never produced anything regarding IHL, to prove that was true.

Israel pleaded with Jordan not to join in the 67 war, but Jordan refused and got its butt kicked.

 

[Shaarona]

One of the Hebrew words for inheritance used in the Torah is the word "stream". Because an inheritance flows uninterupted from one generation to the next. I learned that on Israel 365 Hebrew lesson and was amazed at the depth of meaning in that find.

Look:

You shall inherit the Land, each tribe equal to his brother, about which I raised My hand to give it to your forefathers; this Land shall become yours as an inheritance.


EZEKIEL (47:14)

וּנְחַלְתֶּם אוֹתָהּ אִישׁ כְּאָחִיו אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת יָדִי לְתִתָּהּ לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם וְנָפְלָה הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לָכֶם בְּנַחֲלָה
יחזקאל מ’’ז:י’’ד


oo-ne-khal-TEM oh-TAH eesh ke-ah-KHEEV ah-SHARE na-SA-tee et ya-DEE le-tee-TA la-ah-vo-tay-KHEM ve-naf-LA ha-ah-RETS ha-ZOTE la-KHEM be-na-kha-LA

Long live Israel!

Where do you suppose the ten lost tribes are?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DC4UatExo]What Happened To The 12 Tribes Of Israel_ - E. Raymond Capt - YouTube[/ame]

Hahahaha.. What a crock.......... British Israelites.

Scythians -- Ancient History Encyclopedia

 

[Shaarona]

I have told you many times that if it is a defensive war where land is gained then it is legal.

It's not a defensive war, if you're the one who fired the first shot.

Since Israel fired the first shot, you need to drop this "defensive war" BS.

As far as your claim "to the victor, goes the spoils", you've never produced anything regarding IHL, to prove that was true.

Israel pleaded with Jordan not to join in the 67 war, but Jordan refused and got its butt kicked.

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

Annexation is the permanent acquisition and incorporation of a territory into a new/different nation. Once annexed, the territory become part of that country.

Toddsterpatriot, Victory67, et al,

There is a lot of confusion in this discussion.

First, in order to answer some of the questions, you have to be specific about:

• What period of time we are discussion?
• What land or territory we are specifically addressing?

So it didn't belong to anyone.
No state to give it back to, I think they should keep it.

(COMMENT)

Secondly, there is also a difference between confiscation (real-estate land ownership as a civil matter), and annexation (having nothing to do with civil land ownership, but alters sovereignty).

I notice that in a number of Arab-Israeli discussions, this two concepts (land ownership and sovereignty) are often confused or thought to be one and the same thing. They are not. Sovereignty does not alter land ownership.

For instance, the entire West Bank, while under occupation, is sovereign Palestinian territory. And while there are Israeli Settlements inside the West Bank, the land ownership has not changed unless the original Palestinian Owners have been duly compensated, or the land in question changed hands according to local real property laws.

• Private property cannot be confiscated without just cause and proper compensation.
• Destruction of real or personal property is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

Now clearly, the Israeli Settlement Programs in the West Bank must be address as a matter of restitution and reparation in any formal Peace Negotiation. I think nearly everyone knows this.

Currently, such legal settlements and compensation are being held hostage to a good faith outcome of such negotiation.

Most Respectfully,
R

What are the rules on annexed land being transferred to another nation, does the ownership pass on or does it stay with the original nation that annexed the land.

(COMMENT)

Annexation does not effect property ownership.

I live in Ohio. I own my property. If the US sells Ohio to Canada, I change citizenship, I will Pay taxes to Ottawa, I will be a Canadian and not American, and I will follow Canadian Law. But it doesn't effect my property. I still own the land. The only thing different about the land is that it is now defended by Canada, and not the US. The international border would be extended out to encompass Ohio. But I still own my little patch of land and the house.

Sovereignty doesn't effect property ownership.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[eagle1462010]

It's not a defensive war, if you're the one who fired the first shot.

Since Israel fired the first shot, you need to drop this "defensive war" BS.

As far as your claim "to the victor, goes the spoils", you've never produced anything regarding IHL, to prove that was true.

Israel pleaded with Jordan not to join in the 67 war, but Jordan refused and got its butt kicked.

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

 

[Shaarona]

Israel pleaded with Jordan not to join in the 67 war, but Jordan refused and got its butt kicked.

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDhnM0MUmY]Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube[/ame]

 

[eagle1462010]

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

That's like the pot painting the kettle black.

 

[toastman]

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

Are you saying Israel would have attacked Jordan had they NOT entered the war ?

Israel wanted the land so they could trade it back for PEACE

They offered the Sinai to Egypt for peace and Recognition of Israel following the 6 day war but Egypt refused(they later made a peace deal in 1979)

They offered the Golan back to Syria, but instead, Syria signed the Khartoum resolution which said: No peace with Israel and no recognition of Israel.