Israel violates international law

[Shaarona]

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

That's like the pot painting the kettle black.

Where were you in 1967?

 

[toastman]

Read Moshe Dayan... They planned the 1967 war from the early 1950s because they coveted more land and water assets.

Dayan describes the constant provocations.

Time to get honest about your history.

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

False, that would be a Muslim thing

 

[Shaarona]

In 1967 they were massing forces against Israel preparing to attack and drive Israel into the sea...............

Israel wasn't going to wait until they attacked, so they hit them before they did the same to them........................

Sadat at the time joked when hearing the news that Israel was hitting their forces believing they would win the fight..........but later when he heard their forces were getting their butts kicked he no longer laughed..............

They openly stated they were going to attack Israel..................They were massing to do that very thing......bragging about all the shiny tanks that were about to destroy Israel...............

The IDF turned most of them into scrap metal.

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

Are you saying Israel would have attacked Jordan had they NOT entered the war ?

Israel wanted the land so they could trade it back for PEACE

They offered the Sinai to Egypt for peace and Recognition of Israel following the 6 day war but Egypt refused(they later made a peace deal in 1979)

They offered the Golan back to Syria, but instead, Syria signed the Khartoum resolution which said: No peace with Israel and no recognition of Israel.

Israel simply wanted to provoke a war.. Read Moshe Dayan.

Remember that the Suez Canal was out of commission for 6-7 years.

Were you born yesterday?

The Israelis stole all sorts of equipment in Sinai that was own by Belgium.

You will never have peace if you continue to lie your ass off.

 

[eagle1462010]

Hahahaha.. actually Nasser was calling for discussion and negotiations..

Falsifying history goes back thousands of years for you all.

That's like the pot painting the kettle black.

Where were you in 1967?

LOL

baby still then............but of course I can't look at history and determine what happened in that War...........

Your question doesn't matter..............

All of the orgs I've stated including the Arab League were created for only one reason.

The destruction of Israel..............They tried and failed........So now they use propaganda to try and turn the world against Israel.........

Which is the sole purpose of this op.

 

[Shaarona]

That's like the pot painting the kettle black.

Where were you in 1967?

LOL

baby still then............but of course I can't look at history and determine what happened in that War...........

Your question doesn't matter..............

All of the orgs I've stated including the Arab League were created for only one reason.

The destruction of Israel..............They tried and failed........So now they use propaganda to try and turn the world against Israel.........

Which is the sole purpose of this op.

How long have you been selling yourself on the destruction of Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Phoenall, et al,

Annexation is the permanent acquisition and incorporation of a territory into a new/different nation. Once annexed, the territory become part of that country.

Toddsterpatriot, Victory67, et al,

There is a lot of confusion in this discussion.

First, in order to answer some of the questions, you have to be specific about:

• What period of time we are discussion?
• What land or territory we are specifically addressing?

(COMMENT)

Secondly, there is also a difference between confiscation (real-estate land ownership as a civil matter), and annexation (having nothing to do with civil land ownership, but alters sovereignty).

I notice that in a number of Arab-Israeli discussions, this two concepts (land ownership and sovereignty) are often confused or thought to be one and the same thing. They are not. Sovereignty does not alter land ownership.

For instance, the entire West Bank, while under occupation, is sovereign Palestinian territory. And while there are Israeli Settlements inside the West Bank, the land ownership has not changed unless the original Palestinian Owners have been duly compensated, or the land in question changed hands according to local real property laws.

• Private property cannot be confiscated without just cause and proper compensation.
• Destruction of real or personal property is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

Now clearly, the Israeli Settlement Programs in the West Bank must be address as a matter of restitution and reparation in any formal Peace Negotiation. I think nearly everyone knows this.

Currently, such legal settlements and compensation are being held hostage to a good faith outcome of such negotiation.

Most Respectfully,
R

What are the rules on annexed land being transferred to another nation, does the ownership pass on or does it stay with the original nation that annexed the land.

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Annexation does not effect property ownership.

I live in Ohio. I own my property. If the US sells Ohio to Canada, I change citizenship, I will Pay taxes to Ottawa, I will be a Canadian and not American, and I will follow Canadian Law. But it doesn't effect my property. I still own the land. The only thing different about the land is that it is now defended by Canada, and not the US. The international border would be extended out to encompass Ohio. But I still own my little patch of land and the house.

Sovereignty doesn't effect property ownership.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course if Canada came down with guns, took over Ohio, and ran you off to Pennsylvania you would favor the right to return that you oppose now.

This does not address the right to country that exists irrespective of land ownership. It is said (constantly) that the Palestinians have no right to Palestine because they did not own land-that it was leased.

Does this mean that people who live in...say...New York City who lease apartments have no right to the US because they don't own any land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

 

[Phoenall]

really? that's interesting.

so you're asserting that the united states should return land to the mexicans and native americans?

That has nothing to do with this issue.

and other than the aggressive land grabs of the nazis,

Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because the reason it is illegal today, is because of those aggressive land grabs the Nazis did. Conquer by Conquest has been illegal since the end of WWII.

I'm sorry, but the law doesn't work that way.

"If little Johnny doesn't have to return the shit he stole,
then the law say's I don't have to return the shit I stole!"​

What kind of a dumbass argument is that? You make that argument when you're 8, not in an international court of law.

How the **** could it be a defensive battle, when the war started with Israeli tanks rolling into Egypt?

I'm wondering, what planet are you from?

you might want to hit the history books at some point…. which might also tell you that the so-called palestinians lived in trans-jordan and, rightfully, should have been part of jordan. but jordan didn't want them.

What name you want to call that area doesn't mean shit! The fact is, there were indigenous arabs living there for generations and they have rights to. And you need to get it in your ******* head, there isn't a single argument you can come up with, that will take them away.

and on what planet do people get do-overs in war?lol

I have no idea what your point is there.

Still waiting for your proof that they had lived there for generations when the only way a nomadic culture could breed so quickly would be to have multiple births every 9 months. Every link you provide shows that the muslim population kept at double the population of Jew and Christian combined. The only way they could achieve this was to migrate into the area. Even the UN rules for claiming Palestinian nationality show this to be self evident, when they allow for a 2 years residency of Palestine to qualify for Palestinian nationality.

There is the one argument that does take them away

 

[pbel]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

There is nothing sweet about a position that denies the reality of the UN position when it comes to International Law. The UN recently recognized an Observer Palestinian State to the 67 borders...All attempts by people who hold this position are dooming the Israeli State with constant war-fare that she cannot win in the long ruin.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Calling for Israel to pull out of the West Bank is illegal according to International Law.

It has been a few weeks since I posted this but considering we have some rather uninformed people on this forum it would be worthwhile them getting educated.

Howard Grief - EC4I middle east conflict documentary: Give Peace A Chance - YouTube

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

Quote the passages from San Remo that mention Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive Jewish rights to that land.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

There is nothing sweet about a position that denies the reality of the UN position when it comes to International Law. The UN recently recognized an Observer Palestinian State to the 67 borders...All attempts by people who hold this position are dooming the Israeli State with constant war-fare that she cannot win in the long ruin.

I guess you didn't watch the video. Another one together with tinhat who denies Israel's legitimate right to the land together with countries' rights to protect the Jewish people's right to the land. Must be hard for you on the losing side of the argument, eh?

 

[Phoenall]

Jordan was the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank from 1949 to 1967.

When Israel conquered the West Bank, they became the legal Occupying Power and are now bound by the 4th Geneva Convention's regulations upon Occupying Powers as they are a signatory to the 4th GC.

We know for a fact that Israel recognizes and acknowledges itself as the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank, because from 1967 to 1979 Israel took control of West Bank land that was privately owned, by confiscating it for temporary military purposes, which 100% follows the legal stipulations listed in the 4th GC as how and when an Occupying Power can legally confiscate private property.

The only problem is that Israel then used the land for permanent civilian settlement, which counters the clear language in the 4th GC. The Israeli Supreme Court knew this, and therefore declared the practice to be illegal in 1979 when an Israeli settlement told the court that counter to the military's claim that the land was being used temporarily, the land was intended for a permanent civilian settlement. Since then Israel has instead used the practice of confiscating private land and converting it into "State Land", and using that for settlements and settlement infrastructure.

The problem with this strategy is that according to the 4th GC, which Israel signed, State land in Occupied Territories can only be used by the Occupying Power for the common good of all residents of the Occupied Territory. Clearly, Israeli settlements and Israeli roads doesn't do much for the Palestinians.

Wrong the land was annexed and sanctioned by the UN making it Jordanian. It was the original plan to give Jordan the land anyway and have Israel bordered by Jordan. The whole of the area became a huge headache for Jordan and when Israel occupied it in 1967 they were very thankful for the loss. When Israel made the peace deal with Jordan it offered the land back as per UN res 242, the Jordanians told Israel to keep the land and sort it out. So the land ownership passed from Jordan to Israel as a result.

Not true.

Do you have a link for that?

HERE

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The United States, together with the United Kingdom favored the annexation by Transjordan. The UK preferred to permit King Abdullah to annex the territory at the earliest date, while the United States preferred to wait until after the conclusion of the Palestine Conciliation Commission brokered negotiations.[14]

Jordan formally annexed the West Bank on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. West Bank residents had already received the right to claim Jordanian citizenship in December 1949.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And it is just as big of a lie as it was then.

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

Quote the passages from San Remo that mention Israel, Jewish state, or exclusive Jewish rights to that land.

Watch the video. I already showed you proof there that the land is for the Jewish people. The arabs were given other lands and the Jews the land of Israel.

I recommend this book as it will explain it for you.

 

[Phoenall]

Then let them produce the title deeds of such ownership, the Jews have done so in regards to land in gaza and the west bank.

Then why don't you produce those?

Why should I when I don't have any. But the Jews have produced the deeds and the muslims only ever produce rusty mass produced keys

 

[Phoenall]

Yes. And now Israel is the legal Occupier.

Read the history books and the peace deal with Jordan and then come back with the right answer

Jordan has nothing to do with Israeli occupied Palestinian land.

When did it become Palestinian land then ?

 

[pbel]

No, of course it isn't. The fact that you disagree with International Law doesn't mean you can change it. The Jews' rights to the land is protected.

There is nothing sweet about a position that denies the reality of the UN position when it comes to International Law. The UN recently recognized an Observer Palestinian State to the 67 borders...All attempts by people who hold this position are dooming the Israeli State with constant war-fare that she cannot win in the long ruin.

I guess you didn't watch the video. Another one together with tinhat who denies Israel's legitimate right to the land together with countries' rights to protect the Jewish people's right to the land. Must be hard for you on the losing side of the argument, eh?

I guess you got me...I didn't watch the video...probably because a you tube production is hardly a source of proof that would make me think you're not an airhead religious fanatic which is dooming peace on both sides...provide an unbiased link, and I'll be glad to read it!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong the land was annexed and sanctioned by the UN making it Jordanian. It was the original plan to give Jordan the land anyway and have Israel bordered by Jordan. The whole of the area became a huge headache for Jordan and when Israel occupied it in 1967 they were very thankful for the loss. When Israel made the peace deal with Jordan it offered the land back as per UN res 242, the Jordanians told Israel to keep the land and sort it out. So the land ownership passed from Jordan to Israel as a result.

Not true.

Do you have a link for that?

HERE

Jordanian occupation of the West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The United States, together with the United Kingdom favored the annexation by Transjordan. The UK preferred to permit King Abdullah to annex the territory at the earliest date, while the United States preferred to wait until after the conclusion of the Palestine Conciliation Commission brokered negotiations.[14]

Jordan formally annexed the West Bank on April 24, 1950, giving all residents automatic Jordanian citizenship. West Bank residents had already received the right to claim Jordanian citizenship in December 1949.

Except for Britain and Pakistan, the world saw the annexation as illegal. As it was.

 

[Phoenall]

Just what do you mean? Do you think it was unclaimed land that had no deeds of ownership, or is it the right wing serenade of there was no Palestine or a Palestinian People?

Your double talk will never fly in the face of justice...

How about facts then.

Who legally annexed the land in 1949 ?

Who transferred ownership of the land in 1994 ?

Who became the new owner of the land in 1994 ?

Nobody!

Wrong Jordan did as part of the original British partition plan

 

[Phoenall]

One of the Hebrew words for inheritance used in the Torah is the word "stream". Because an inheritance flows uninterupted from one generation to the next. I learned that on Israel 365 Hebrew lesson and was amazed at the depth of meaning in that find.

Look:

You shall inherit the Land, each tribe equal to his brother, about which I raised My hand to give it to your forefathers; this Land shall become yours as an inheritance.


EZEKIEL (47:14)

וּנְחַלְתֶּם אוֹתָהּ אִישׁ כְּאָחִיו אֲשֶׁר נָשָׂאתִי אֶת יָדִי לְתִתָּהּ לַאֲבֹתֵיכֶם וְנָפְלָה הָאָרֶץ הַזֹּאת לָכֶם בְּנַחֲלָה
יחזקאל מ’’ז:י’’ד


oo-ne-khal-TEM oh-TAH eesh ke-ah-KHEEV ah-SHARE na-SA-tee et ya-DEE le-tee-TA la-ah-vo-tay-KHEM ve-naf-LA ha-ah-RETS ha-ZOTE la-KHEM be-na-kha-LA

Long live Israel!

Where do you suppose the ten lost tribes are?

Some are in Israel and have been since the diaspora, others are in Europe and America while at least one is in Ethiopia