Israel violates international law

[Toddsterpatriot]

The land that Bibi Netanyahu called "occupied".

Who was occupied?

People aren't Occupied. Land is Occupied, as per the 4th Geneva Conventions.

I'm sure you are fully aware of this and are just being coy.

What nation's land was occupied?

 

[Victory67]

What nation's land was occupied?

Jordan was the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank from 1949 to 1967.

When Israel conquered the West Bank, they became the legal Occupying Power and are now bound by the 4th Geneva Convention's regulations upon Occupying Powers as they are a signatory to the 4th GC.

We know for a fact that Israel recognizes and acknowledges itself as the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank, because from 1967 to 1979 Israel took control of West Bank land that was privately owned, by confiscating it for temporary military purposes, which 100% follows the legal stipulations listed in the 4th GC as how and when an Occupying Power can legally confiscate private property.

The only problem is that Israel then used the land for permanent civilian settlement, which counters the clear language in the 4th GC. The Israeli Supreme Court knew this, and therefore declared the practice to be illegal in 1979 when an Israeli settlement told the court that counter to the military's claim that the land was being used temporarily, the land was intended for a permanent civilian settlement. Since then Israel has instead used the practice of confiscating private land and converting it into "State Land", and using that for settlements and settlement infrastructure.

The problem with this strategy is that according to the 4th GC, which Israel signed, State land in Occupied Territories can only be used by the Occupying Power for the common good of all residents of the Occupied Territory. Clearly, Israeli settlements and Israeli roads doesn't do much for the Palestinians.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What nation's land was occupied?

Jordan was the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank from 1949 to 1967.

When Israel conquered the West Bank, they became the legal Occupying Power and are now bound by the 4th Geneva Convention's regulations upon Occupying Powers as they are a signatory to the 4th GC.

We know for a fact that Israel recognizes and acknowledges itself as the legal Occupying Power of the West Bank, because from 1967 to 1979 Israel took control of West Bank land that was privately owned, by confiscating it for temporary military purposes, which 100% follows the legal stipulations listed in the 4th GC as how and when an Occupying Power can legally confiscate private property.

The only problem is that Israel then used the land for permanent civilian settlement, which counters the clear language in the 4th GC. The Israeli Supreme Court knew this, and therefore declared the practice to be illegal in 1979 when an Israeli settlement told the court that counter to the military's claim that the land was being used temporarily, the land was intended for a permanent civilian settlement. Since then Israel has instead used the practice of confiscating private land and converting it into "State Land", and using that for settlements and settlement infrastructure.

The problem with this strategy is that according to the 4th GC, which Israel signed, State land in Occupied Territories can only be used by the Occupying Power for the common good of all residents of the Occupied Territory. Clearly, Israeli settlements and Israeli roads doesn't do much for the Palestinians.

Thanks for the info. Can you answer my question now?
What nation's land was occupied?

 

[Victory67]

Thanks for the info. Can you answer my question now?
What nation's land was occupied?

The West Bank is presently Occupied by Israel.

Israel is the Occupying Power of the West Bank.

The West Bank used to be Occupied by Jordan.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thanks for the info. Can you answer my question now?
What nation's land was occupied?

The West Bank is presently Occupied by Israel.

Israel is the Occupying Power of the West Bank.

The West Bank used to be Occupied by Jordan.

What nation's land was occupied?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thanks for the info. Can you answer my question now?
What nation's land was occupied?

The West Bank is presently Occupied by Israel.

Israel is the Occupying Power of the West Bank.

The West Bank used to be Occupied by Jordan.

What nation's land was occupied?

Let's see, it is called occupied Palestinian territory.

Damn Toddster, I can see why you are so confused.

That is a tough question.

 

[Victory67]

What nation's land was occupied?

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What nation's land was occupied?

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

Indeed, If you can only occupy "a state" then what state was Jordan occupying?

 

[Victory67]

Indeed, If you can only occupy "a state" then what state was Jordan occupying?

There is no rule in the 4th GC that Occupied Territory means land conquered in a war that formally was part of another state.

 

[toastman]

What nation's land was occupied?

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

Indeed, If you can only occupy "a state" then what state was Jordan occupying?

Where does it say that you can only occupy a state ??

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no rule in the 4th Geneva Convention that Occupied Land can only be land that was formally belonging to another state by legal annexation or older form of confiscation.

Indeed, If you can only occupy "a state" then what state was Jordan occupying?

Where does it say that you can only occupy a state ??

I don't know. Israel says it all the time.

 

[toastman]

Indeed, If you can only occupy "a state" then what state was Jordan occupying?

Where does it say that you can only occupy a state ??

I don't know. Israel says it all the time.

What do you mean you don't know? You responded to his post by saying indeed.

 

[Victory67]

Occupied Territory is any land that has been taken over during a war, that formally did not belong to that nation which now controls the land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where does it say that you can only occupy a state ??

I don't know. Israel says it all the time.

What do you mean you don't know? You responded to his post by saying indeed.

I was just throwing out one of those questions that are never answered.

 

[toastman]

I don't know. Israel says it all the time.

What do you mean you don't know? You responded to his post by saying indeed.

I was just throwing out one of those questions that are never answered.

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

 

[Victory67]

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

Yes. And now Israel is the legal Occupier.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What do you mean you don't know? You responded to his post by saying indeed.

I was just throwing out one of those questions that are never answered.

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

The West Bank was a state?

 

[Victory67]

The West Bank was a state?

It doesn't have to have been a state, or legally part of another state, for it to now be Occupied Territory.

 

[toastman]

I was just throwing out one of those questions that are never answered.

Jordan was occupying the West Bank.

The West Bank was a state?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The West Bank is presently Occupied by Israel.

Israel is the Occupying Power of the West Bank.

The West Bank used to be Occupied by Jordan.

What nation's land was occupied?

Let's see, it is called occupied Palestinian territory.

Damn Toddster, I can see why you are so confused.

That is a tough question.

What nation's land was occupied?