Israel violates international law

[Shaarona]

Shaarona, et al,

There is, without question, a note of sadness here. It is the shadow of xenophobia, in which the indigenous population, spoken off the tongue of second son to Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca and King of the Hejaz, himself a foreigner to the region.

It was not so long ago (5 November 2013, GA/SHC/4085), some six and a half decades later, that the worries and concepts expressed by HM King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein, Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, were still being discussed in open forum, as fresh as if they were new today.

HM the King (Abdullah I) knew then, that all peoples have the right to self-determination; a freedom to determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development. But HM also knew that it runs head-long into the need to elimination of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, that obstruct the right of self-determination. In many ways, HM was a man before his time; a man who would feel the pain of immigration, yet know it was wrong to resist the winds of change.

When British armies entered the country during the last war (WW1), they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews.
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In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.

But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000!

It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.


King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) 11/1947

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In the case of the Palestinian and the State thereof; they know it as well, saying: “The right to self-determination belongs to all, and doesn’t come after negotiations.” Presumably they understand that this would also include the Israelis as well.

When we talk about the right of self-determination, it must be set in the frames for which the actors operated, and the environment for which the actors were immersed. For instance, in the 20 years (1947 to 1967) following the outbreak of hostilities, when the territory we now call the State of Palestine had been under Arab control (the West Bank Annexed by Jordan and the Gaza Strip Occupied by Egypt), the Palestinian made absolutely no attempt at the establishment of a Palestinian State.

If that is the key (total Arab Dominance), then doesn't it only make sense that the Palestinian dissolve the current State and reconsider relinquishing their sovereignty back to these States (Egypt & Jordan)? That would bring immediate peace to the region under the current treaties.

Most Respectfully,
R

He suffered wild temper tantrums and mental illness. When he declared himself Caliph, he was chased off the Arabian peninsula within weeks.

 

[rhodescholar]

The first thing Israel needs to do is STOP violating international law. That means no more expansion of existing settlements onto land that is privately owned, and no more declaring private land as "State Land", to be used just for Israelis.

The first thing that needs to happen is for ***** like you to get the **** off of these boards, and go back to stormfront.

For the intelligent, let's discuss truly horrible situations like these:

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[Victory67]

Once Israel stops violating international laws that they signed decades ago, then perhaps the world will start viewing them in a positive light.

As long as they keep stealing land and building civilian settlements on stolen land, many in the world will hate Israel.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Plus, Jews are successful and Muslims fail.

 

[Victory67]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Plus, Jews are successful and Muslims fail.

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Plus, Jews are successful and Muslims fail.

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

Muslims need to stop blaming their failures on the Jews.

 

[rhodescholar]

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

Yet another mentally ill trolling piece of shit flowing through these forums like what one sees out of a homeless person's pants in the subway at 2 am...

Feces likes this does not even know what an international law is, and of course will never mention how the 22 arab nations violate the human rights of its citizens every day - but it is the jews who have to be targeted all day, every day. So, so boring...

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Wrong. Israel rejects the interpretation of the convention applying it to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, stating that those territories were captured in 1967 as a result of a defensive war against countries which had illegally occupied them since 1948.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Wrong. Article 80 of the UN Charter, once known unofficially as the Jewish People’s clause, which preserves intact all the rights granted to Jews under the Mandate for Palestine, even after the Mandate’s expiry on May 14-15, 1948. Under this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty), Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a trusteeship or trust territory.

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

How?

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

How?

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

How?

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Your name says it all Victory 1967

 

[Billo_Really]

And between August 2005 and July 2006 how maqny rockest were fired at Israel without a single return of fire ?

Moving the goal posts?

 

[Billo_Really]

Wrong. Israel rejects the interpretation of the convention applying it to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, stating that those territories were captured in 1967 as a result of a defensive war against countries which had illegally occupied them since 1948.

So basically what you're saying is that you think Israel is above the law?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Wrong. Israel rejects the interpretation of the convention applying it to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, stating that those territories were captured in 1967 as a result of a defensive war against countries which had illegally occupied them since 1948.

So basically what you're saying is that you think Israel is above the law?

I have told you many times that if it is a defensive war where land is gained then it is legal.

 

[Phoenall]

When British armies entered the country during the last war (WW1), they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews.
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In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.

But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000!

It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.


King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) 11/1947

Still does not alter the facts that the muslims kept pace with the migration and always managed to stay at double the combined population of Jews and Christians.

 

[Billo_Really]

Still does not alter the facts that the muslims kept pace with the migration and always managed to stay at double the combined population of Jews and Christians.

Why do you keep pushing this lie after I already corrected you on this?

 

[Phoenall]

For God's sake.. don't be a dummy.. Arabs have been around for thousands of years before Islam.

And so have the JEWS and they lived in Palestine and tended farms for over 3,500 years. The Palestinians you clamour about have been shown to be recent arrivals at the request of the ottomans to the barren land of Palestine.

In Short, from about 250,000 around the end of the 19th century, many of them bedouins, the Arabic population grew to about 1,250,000 in 1948. The Palestinian claim that they are the ancient population of the so called Palestine has no ground.

It really is incredible how you distort history and the truth with such delusional conviction...The Arabs of this area have been genetically proven to have preceded the Hebrews of ancient times...Stop your greedy lying.


Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[18] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew

Does not make them Palestinians with more than 200 years of presence in the area. Nor does it change the fact that the Jews had a far longer presence in the M.E than any muslim arab.

Before islam the arabs were a nomadic culture after islam they became an expansionist regime that would sink to any depths to subvert and control the populace of the lands they invaded

 

[Phoenall]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Plus, Jews are successful and Muslims fail.

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

Not one of the above is an actual International law is it. in fact Israel was not around for 4 of them

 

[Victory67]

Plus, Jews are successful and Muslims fail.

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

Not one of the above is an actual International law is it. in fact Israel was not around for 4 of them

the 4th Geneva Conventions is an international law, and Israel has sworn to abide by and follow it.

Many Zionists argue that Israel has a right to settle Jews in all of the West Bank, due to the rights afforded to the Jewish people in the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, and the Mandate for Palestine. I'm glad to hear you state that these laws are now null and void, and the rights guaranteed to the Jews in these laws are now null & void.

That means that the only laws Israel must still abide by are the 4th GC and the UN Charter, and they both forbid the confiscation of private property in Occupied Territory for civilian housing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Totally irrelevent to this discussion. Israel's disregard of international laws that they have commited to abide by is the issue.

Not one of the above is an actual International law is it. in fact Israel was not around for 4 of them

the 4th Geneva Conventions is an international law, and Israel has sworn to abide by and follow it.

Many Zionists argue that Israel has a right to settle Jews in all of the West Bank, due to the rights afforded to the Jewish people in the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, and the Mandate for Palestine. I'm glad to hear you state that these laws are now null and void, and the rights guaranteed to the Jews in these laws are now null & void.

That means that the only laws Israel must still abide by are the 4th GC and the UN Charter, and they both forbid the confiscation of private property in Occupied Territory for civilian housing.

Occupied Territory? Who was occupied?

 

[Victory67]

Occupied Territory? Who was occupied?

The land that Bibi Netanyahu called "occupied".

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/07/israel-binyamin-netanyahu-palestinians

"Then came the partition plan in 1947, with the suggestion of an Arab state alongside a Jewish state. The Jews agreed, the Arabs refused. Because the issue was not then the question of a Palestinian state – the issue was and remains the Jewish state. Then 19 years later came the stranglehold around us aimed at uprooting us. And why? After all, then there was no occupation."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Occupied Territory? Who was occupied?

The land that Bibi Netanyahu called "occupied".

Who was occupied?

 

[Victory67]

Occupied Territory? Who was occupied?

The land that Bibi Netanyahu called "occupied".

Who was occupied?

People aren't Occupied. Land is Occupied, as per the 4th Geneva Conventions.

I'm sure you are fully aware of this and are just being coy.