Israel violates international law
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Good grief... you certainly are hateful.
We just aren't on the same page.. I am not going to bash your religion or call you names or threaten you.
They were bosom buddies and there are plenty of photographs of them together on the internet. Google it. As for the Arab League....... your response to Phoenall is not all together accurate because the Arab League was most definitely formed and responding by May 14 - 15 , 1948 - to Israel - the very same Arab League of Govts today - this is off Wikipedia referring to Arab League - note the dates - 1947.Get your facts straight.
The Arab League as a wholeThe Arab League had unanimously rejected the UN partition plan and were bitterly opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state.
The Arab League before partition affirmed the right to the independence of Palestine, while blocking the creation of a Palestinian government.[clarification needed] Towards the end of 1947, the League established a military committee commanded by the retired Iraqi general Isma'il Safwat whose mission was to analyse the chance of victory of the Palestinians against the Jews.
{{{{ NOTE THE DATE - By the end of 1947, the League established a military committee...... 1947 is prior to Israel becoming a nation. thanks. }}}}}
[68] His conclusions were that they had no chance of victory and that an invasion of the Arab regular armies was mandatory.[68] The political committee nevertheless rejected these conclusions and decided to support an armed opposition to the Partition Plan excluding the participation of their regular armed forces.[69]
In April with the Palestinian defeat, the refugees coming from Palestine and the pressure of their public opinion, the Arab leaders decided to invade Palestine.[70]
The Arab League gave reasons for its invasion in Palestine in the cablegram:[71]
the Arab states find themselves compelled to intervene in order restore law and order and to check further bloodshed
the Mandate over Palestine has come to an end, leaving no legally constituted authority
the only solution of the Palestine problem is the establishment of a unitary Palestinian state.
Some unofficial statements before the war had been more aggressive. Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha, according to an interview in an 11 October 1947 article of Akhbar al-Yom, said: "I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"[undue weight? discuss].[72]
Of course the Arabs objected.... they were over run with hostile refugees who wanted their homes and land. Palestinians have paid for the Holocaust and the Eastern European persecution of the Jews with their land and blood.
There were no refugees in 1919 when the original deal was put together. The only hostile's were the hordes of muslims flooding into the land looking for work. Right throughout the 1920's, '30's and '40's the muslim population exceeded that of the Jews and Christians combined so how were they over run. The holocaust had nothing to do with the formation of Israel as it had been decided before WW2 even started. The problem extends back to 632 C.E. when Mohamed wiped out the Jewish tribe
When it says " kill the jews" that is not defence or out of context is it
Typical islamonazi response to the violent nature of islam
And no one agreed with him, and went ahead with the terms set out in the Mcmahon letters
You would be surprised at just how many people now read the Koran and see the commands in there. How it commands muslims to convert by the sword, chop of heads and hands, rape children, LIE, Be deceitful, steal and above all continue the genocide of the Jews
YES as I have seen so called Islamic defence, it is when a gang of muslims attack a schoolboy with hammers and iron bars because he might have said something that dishonoured a muslim.
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
And between August 2005 and July 2006 how maqny rockest were fired at Israel without a single return of fire ?
They were bosom buddies and there are plenty of photographs of them together on the internet. Google it. As for the Arab League....... your response to Phoenall is not all together accurate because the Arab League was most definitely formed and responding by May 14 - 15 , 1948 - to Israel - the very same Arab League of Govts today - this is off Wikipedia referring to Arab League - note the dates - 1947.
The Arab League as a wholeThe Arab League had unanimously rejected the UN partition plan and were bitterly opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state.
The Arab League before partition affirmed the right to the independence of Palestine, while blocking the creation of a Palestinian government.[clarification needed] Towards the end of 1947, the League established a military committee commanded by the retired Iraqi general Isma'il Safwat whose mission was to analyse the chance of victory of the Palestinians against the Jews.
{{{{ NOTE THE DATE - By the end of 1947, the League established a military committee...... 1947 is prior to Israel becoming a nation. thanks. }}}}}
[68] His conclusions were that they had no chance of victory and that an invasion of the Arab regular armies was mandatory.[68] The political committee nevertheless rejected these conclusions and decided to support an armed opposition to the Partition Plan excluding the participation of their regular armed forces.[69]
In April with the Palestinian defeat, the refugees coming from Palestine and the pressure of their public opinion, the Arab leaders decided to invade Palestine.[70]
The Arab League gave reasons for its invasion in Palestine in the cablegram:[71]
the Arab states find themselves compelled to intervene in order restore law and order and to check further bloodshed
the Mandate over Palestine has come to an end, leaving no legally constituted authority
the only solution of the Palestine problem is the establishment of a unitary Palestinian state.
Some unofficial statements before the war had been more aggressive. Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha, according to an interview in an 11 October 1947 article of Akhbar al-Yom, said: "I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades"[undue weight? – discuss].[72]
Of course the Arabs objected.... they were over run with hostile refugees who wanted their homes and land. Palestinians have paid for the Holocaust and the Eastern European persecution of the Jews with their land and blood.
There were no refugees in 1919 when the original deal was put together. The only hostile's were the hordes of muslims flooding into the land looking for work. Right throughout the 1920's, '30's and '40's the muslim population exceeded that of the Jews and Christians combined so how were they over run. The holocaust had nothing to do with the formation of Israel as it had been decided before WW2 even started. The problem extends back to 632 C.E. when Mohamed wiped out the Jewish tribe
What? Herzl was running around from pillar to post before the first Zionist Congress around 1900.
Zionism is a modern movement, forged not by Biblical dreams but by a desperate desire to escape the consequences of anti-Semitism in especially in Russia and Eastern Europe. There is no question that Jews were being scapegoated for the turmoil inherent in changing capitalism of Russia in particular. There is no question that they were socialists and communists... unlike Jews in Western Europe.
Nathan Weinstock argues in his important book Zionism: False Messiah (1979), early Zionism was a doctrine whose starting point was ‘the incompatibility of the Jews and the Gentiles’.
There is only ONE photo of Hitler and the Mufti.. The same photo.. Hitler is seated and leaning forward.
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Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
15,407 Mortars and Rockets fired into Israel from 2001 to 2012...........
15,407 Mortars and Rockets fired into Israel from 2001 to 2012...........
Its a rotten deal that should have been anticipated 60 years ago...
The Jews bought the land from the ottoman owners and turned it into viable farmland, the muslims came on the promise of work on the Jewish farms. I did not say that there was work for them I said they came looking for work.
If there was no arab migration how did the population always stay double of that of the Jews and Christians combined. It could only be by mass immigration or the genocide of the Jewish and Christian population
here are some facts about muslim migration to Palestine.
Arab- Muslim Waves of Immigration to Palestine (the Land of Israel )/ DR.Rivka Shpak Lissak | Rivka Shpak Lissak
The Population during Ottomans' Rule (1516 1918)
The cities along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea remained deserted until the Ottoman government started to restore their ruins and invited Arabs and Muslims to settle there. This happened during the 18th- 19th centuries
The third wave began after the occupation of the country by the Turks during the 16th and 17th centuries. Arabs, mainly Bedouins, and Muslims from Lebanon, and Syria came to settle in the Galilee. According to the Turkish census, by the 16th century, there were about 200,000 people in the country of Western Jordan, mostly Muslims. But the economic situation and the lack of personal security caused people to leave, Muslims included.
During the 18th century the population became smaller and smaller Tourists from Europe and the United States who visited the country described an uncultivated deserted land.
The last and the largest wave came between around the middle of the 19th century and 1948 when Israel was established. This wave started during the conquest of the country by the son of Muhammad Ali between 1832 1840.Egypt settled along the shore and the valleys, about 100,000 Egyptian peasants. Also, Arabs and Muslims were invited by the Ottoman rulers to settle in the deserted country. The Zuabbian tribe was invited in 1873 from Irbid, Trans-Jordan to settle in the southern Galilee and the Izrael Valley. Muslims from Muslim countries such as Kurds and Cireassians settled in the north.
Historians are divided on the size of the population on the eve of the British conquest of Palestine. The rate of the Arab-Muslim population was about 250,000.
The second part of the largest wave came during the British Mandate occupation, between 1917 and 1948 when Israel was established. Arabs and Muslims from Arabic and Muslim countries entered illegally the country under the Turks and latter the British mandate from the eastern, northern and southern borders looking for jobs created by the Zionist movement and latter by the British Mandate (1918 1948).
The Arab population of the Sharon area (between Tel Aviv and Haifa, the center of Jewish settlements) grew from 10,000 to more than 30,000 from 1922 1940s.
The Arab population of the south (between Jaffa and the Egyptian border) grew by more than 200% between 1917 1940s. About 35,000 Arabs from the Haurain, South Syria came looking for work.
In Short, from about 250,000 around the end of the 19th century, many of them bedouins, the Arabic population grew to about 1,250,000 in 1948. The Palestinian claim that they are the ancient population of the so called Palestine has no ground.
4,000 and although you may be right that a few went back to 632 C.E. they would have been called Caanites - one more thing - I cannot stress this enough - these people even 200 yrs ago WERE NOT CALLING THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS - NOT EVEN PRIOR TO 1960!
Arafat was taught by the Russians to use the term Palestinian after his training in Baleshinka special ops school over there. That came from someone inside the state dept and they have never backed off their story. Arafat was trained in propaganda techniques, etc, by the Russians and in 1960 the long lost Palestinian people were found!
Wonder of wonders!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure they were called Palestinians in early 1950.. Thousands of them worked in Saudi Arabia and some went to my church.
Palestinians or a mix of Canaanites, Early Arab migrations, Syrians, Greeks, Turks, Crusaders and Jews who didn't leave Palestine.
Who do you think planted, watered and tended all those 500 year old olive trees? It wasn't a Jews from the Ukraine. Who do you think maintained the Roman era terraces?
There's a lot more to the history of Palestine and the Levant than your narrow, Jewish version of history.
It was the JEWS from Palestine who had lived there uninterrupted for 3,500 years. That is 3,000 years more than the arab muslims who arrived in the late 1800's
The Jews owned 6% of the land in 1948..
In the early years Jewish immigrants failed so badly at farming that they turned around and went home.
Arab tribes were settled in Samaaria by Sargon 2 around 700 BC.
Galilee and the Decapolis were prosperous.. Jerusalem was not.
And so have the JEWS and they lived in Palestine and tended farms for over 3,500 years. The Palestinians you clamour about have been shown to be recent arrivals at the request of the ottomans to the barren land of Palestine.
In Short, from about 250,000 around the end of the 19th century, many of them bedouins, the Arabic population grew to about 1,250,000 in 1948. The Palestinian claim that they are the ancient population of the so called Palestine has no ground.
When British armies entered the country during the last war (WW1), they found 500,000 Arabs and only 65,000 Jews.
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In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.
But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000!
It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) 11/1947
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In 1932, the year before Hitler came to power, only 9,500 Jews came to Palestine. We did not welcome them, but we were not afraid that, at that rate, our solid Arab majority would ever be in danger.
But the next year—the year of Hitler—it jumped to 30,000! In 1934 it was 42,000! In 1935 it reached 61,000!
It was no longer the orderly arrival of idealist Zionists. Rather, all Europe was pouring its frightened Jews upon us. Then, at last, we, too, became frightened. We knew that unless this enormous influx stopped, we were, as Arabs, doomed in our Palestine homeland. And we have not changed our minds.
King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein (1882-1951) 11/1947
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It really is incredible how you distort history and the truth with such delusional conviction...The Arabs of this area have been genetically proven to have preceded the Hebrews of ancient times...Stop your greedy lying.
Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[18] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew
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Shaarona, et al,
There is, without question, a note of sadness here. It is the shadow of xenophobia, in which the indigenous population, spoken off the tongue of second son to Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca and King of the Hejaz, himself a foreigner to the region.
It was not so long ago (5 November 2013, GA/SHC/4085), some six and a half decades later, that the worries and concepts expressed by HM King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein, Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, were still being discussed in open forum, as fresh as if they were new today.
HM the King (Abdullah I) knew then, that all peoples have the right to self-determination; a freedom to determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development. But HM also knew that it runs head-long into the need to elimination of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, that obstruct the right of self-determination. In many ways, HM was a man before his time; a man who would feel the pain of immigration, yet know it was wrong to resist the winds of change.
In the case of the Palestinian and the State thereof; they know it as well, saying: The right to self-determination belongs to all, and doesnt come after negotiations. Presumably they understand that this would also include the Israelis as well.
When we talk about the right of self-determination, it must be set in the frames for which the actors operated, and the environment for which the actors were immersed. For instance, in the 20 years (1947 to 1967) following the outbreak of hostilities, when the territory we now call the State of Palestine had been under Arab control (the West Bank Annexed by Jordan and the Gaza Strip Occupied by Egypt), the Palestinian made absolutely no attempt at the establishment of a Palestinian State.
If that is the key (total Arab Dominance), then doesn't it only make sense that the Palestinian dissolve the current State and reconsider relinquishing their sovereignty back to these States (Egypt & Jordan)? That would bring immediate peace to the region under the current treaties.
Most Respectfully,
R
There is, without question, a note of sadness here. It is the shadow of xenophobia, in which the indigenous population, spoken off the tongue of second son to Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca and King of the Hejaz, himself a foreigner to the region.
It was not so long ago (5 November 2013, GA/SHC/4085), some six and a half decades later, that the worries and concepts expressed by HM King Abdullah bin Al-Hussein, Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, were still being discussed in open forum, as fresh as if they were new today.
HM the King (Abdullah I) knew then, that all peoples have the right to self-determination; a freedom to determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development. But HM also knew that it runs head-long into the need to elimination of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance, that obstruct the right of self-determination. In many ways, HM was a man before his time; a man who would feel the pain of immigration, yet know it was wrong to resist the winds of change.
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In the case of the Palestinian and the State thereof; they know it as well, saying: The right to self-determination belongs to all, and doesnt come after negotiations. Presumably they understand that this would also include the Israelis as well.
When we talk about the right of self-determination, it must be set in the frames for which the actors operated, and the environment for which the actors were immersed. For instance, in the 20 years (1947 to 1967) following the outbreak of hostilities, when the territory we now call the State of Palestine had been under Arab control (the West Bank Annexed by Jordan and the Gaza Strip Occupied by Egypt), the Palestinian made absolutely no attempt at the establishment of a Palestinian State.
If that is the key (total Arab Dominance), then doesn't it only make sense that the Palestinian dissolve the current State and reconsider relinquishing their sovereignty back to these States (Egypt & Jordan)? That would bring immediate peace to the region under the current treaties.
Most Respectfully,
R
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The first thing Israel needs to do is STOP violating international law.
That means no more expansion of existing settlements onto land that is privately owned, and no more declaring private land as "State Land", to be used just for Israelis.
That means no more expansion of existing settlements onto land that is privately owned, and no more declaring private land as "State Land", to be used just for Israelis.
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