Israel violates international law

[Victory67]

That only applies to those nations bound by the Geneva conventions, Palestine is not bound by the Geneva conventions as they have not signed up to them. Try reading the conventions fully and not cherry picking the parts that suit your POV.

You haven't read that 4th GC which clearly states in plain English that the treaty is valid if at least one party to a conflict has ratified it.

Israel ratified the 4th GC and is therefore bound to uphold it.

 

[Phoenall]

Ah, so you admit they are foreigners?

How is that different than "Jewish" migrations to Egypt, North Africa, Yemen, Iran, Iraq 2500 years ago?

In 1500 Hebron was an Arab town.. Some Jewish families who were expelled from Spain and Portugal settled in Hebron without incident.

Indeed, The whole "we were here first" thing is a crock of crap.

The deciding factor is that all Turkish citizens became Palestinian citizens per the Treaty of Lausanne when Palestine became the successor state. Anything else is legally irrelevant.

Wrong again as they became British and French citizens of Palestine, forget what the muslim says as he is twisting the facts. At no time does the treaty of Lausanne mention Palestine by name.

 

[Kondor3]

"...Have you ever been to the West Bank?"

Forgive me for barging-in here, but, out of curiosity, have you, as a Westerner, ever spent any time living in Iran?

I never lived in Iran.. but I did make more than a dozen trips there. You aren't barging in.

Much obliged.

Your style and your positions remind me of someone who serves as a Moderator on another board, and who is (reportedly) fairly widely traveled in the Middle East and Iran and such - as the spouse of a diplomatic corps partner, I think - and who oftentimes trots out the 'have you ever lived there?' or 'have you ever visited there?' card as a tactic for attempting to gain the upper hand in related conversations.

I might be tempted to play that card myself frim time to time, but it's also possible to overdo it, especially in related matters that really don't require such a history, but, that's more a matter of personal style and moxie than anything else.

Thanks.

 

[Phoenall]

It doesn't help that Israel destroys olive trees and homes.. It doesn't help that they take land.... and water.

It doesn't help that the West Bank settlement homes are Jewish only.. and roads are Jewish only.

Take a lesson from the SodaStream manufacturer.. Jews and Muslims work together... and get along fine.

Tell it to the Palestinians they are the ones causing the problems

I remember BEFORE the 67 war.. I remember there were no settlements, checkpoints or soldiers. There were NO rock throwing children.

No Jews as they had been ethnically cleansed by the arabs, no free Palestinians as they were locked up behind barbed wire, no villages. It was a wasteland that no one wanted to live in. It took the 6 day war to free the Palestinians of their fetters and give them back their freedom.

 

[Shaarona]

Ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, want to end up in court (and usually die of old age) in the Hague like those Serbs who tried the ethnically cleanse the Muslims from Bosnia?

How about the Jews that the muslims ethnically cleansed from the M.E. Over 1 million forcibly removed from their property and their goods stolen by the muslims starting in 1948. Care to take this matter up and explain why the muslims are given a free pass to ethnically cleanse Jews from the M.E.

Have the Jews contacted those countries to demand their right to return?

I have always thought that the Arab Jews leaving was a huge loss.. They were quite prosperous and involved. When I lived in Libya they were very involved in the social scene as well as in the arts and imports.

An unintended consequence of European Zionism. Shame that.

 

[Phoenall]

Such disregarding of international laws that Israel has sworn to abide by and ignoring the rights of other peoples is one of the many reason why many throughout the world don't take Israel's side and want to boycott Israel.

I don't agree with them for the most part but I do understand their reasonings, based on the attitudes you have expressed. They are not condusive to a friendly relationshio between Israel and the rest of humanity.

No International laws apply so take it to a board that cares about your NAZI JEW HATRED

Your language fuels hatred.

And yours doesn't when you talk of the Jews ?

 

[Phoenall]

your language fuels hatred.

its also fuels anger and animosity towards israel and israelis.

only amongst nazi anti semitic jew haters

 

[Shaarona]

Tell it to the Palestinians they are the ones causing the problems

I remember BEFORE the 67 war.. I remember there were no settlements, checkpoints or soldiers. There were NO rock throwing children.

No Jews as they had been ethnically cleansed by the arabs, no free Palestinians as they were locked up behind barbed wire, no villages. It was a wasteland that no one wanted to live in. It took the 6 day war to free the Palestinians of their fetters and give them back their freedom.

Actually it was lovely. and peaceful .... almond trees and olive trees, pomegranates ..

You are just mean and ignorant SOB.

 

[Phoenall]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

I agree..

My experience with Israelis is somewhat limited.. but I have found them to be universally foul-mouthed and abrasive... whereas I have never see those qualities in American Jews.

Lifted word for word from my post about muslims being foul mouthed and abrasive in the extreme.

 

[montelatici]

Wrong again as they became British and French citizens of Palestine

I guess you get your history lessons from Fox News. The non-Jews were all Palestinian citizens from Ottoman times, and the Mandate required the Mandatory to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by the new arrivals (Jews).

ART. 7. of the Mandate:

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel exists.

Israelis exist.

That is sufficient to fuel anger and animosity towards them, on the part of many Muslims.

The language is merely a sidebar and footnote; used to express the real-world state of affairs.

It is true that many Arabs and Muslims hate Israel simply because it exists.

But many more hate hate Israel because of their disregard for international laws and this is the sole reason why many Europeans and other Westerners dislike Israel.

You forget the religious compunctions that set in the place the hatred for the Jews and Christians 1400 years ago.

Now what International laws are Israel in breach of again ?

 

[Kondor3]

Wrong again as they became British and French citizens of Palestine I guess you get your history lessons from Fox News. The non-Jews were all Palestinian citizens from Ottoman times, and the Mandate required the Mandatory to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by the new arrivals (Jews). ART. 7. of the Mandate: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Not to worry...

The Jews of Old Palestine seceeded from that Union and struck out on their own, before anything could come of it anyway...

That fait accompli was recognized by the UN in 1949...

 

[Victory67]

only amongst nazi anti semitic jew haters

You appear to believe that only Nazis and anti-Semites believe that Israel has violated international law.

Such an attitude isn't helpful.

 

[Shaarona]

Forgive me for barging-in here, but, out of curiosity, have you, as a Westerner, ever spent any time living in Iran?

I never lived in Iran.. but I did make more than a dozen trips there. You aren't barging in.

Much obliged.

Your style and your positions remind me of someone who serves as a Moderator on another board, and who is (reportedly) fairly widely traveled in the Middle East and Iran and such - as the spouse of a diplomatic corps partner, I think - and who oftentimes trots out the 'have you ever lived there?' or 'have you ever visited there?' card as a tactic for attempting to gain the upper hand in related conversations.

I might be tempted to play that card myself frim time to time, but it's also possible to overdo it, especially in related matters that really don't require such a history, but, that's more a matter of personal style and moxie than anything else.

Thanks.

I am not a moderator on any board. I am not the spouse of a diplomat. I am an oil brat.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Israel violates the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Israel violates the UN Charter Article 80

Israel violates the Mandate for Palestine.

Israel violates the San Remo Conference.

Israel violates the Balfour Declaration.

Why do they think they can continue to violate this many international laws and not be hated for it?

Vicky67's primary complaint boils down to the usual anti-Semite proposition that "those" Jews are "evil" because they stubbornly refuse to permit others to exterminate them.

 

[Phoenall]

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

Israel exists.

Israelis exist.

That is sufficient to fuel anger and animosity towards them, on the part of many Muslims.

The language is merely a sidebar and footnote; used to express the real-world state of affairs.

Don't be absurd...........

No one wants Israel to cease to exist regardless of your selftalk. The world does want a just peace.. which Israel refused in the spring of 2002.

How are Jewish people so different from others? What keeps them ... particularly Israelis.. so isolated and paranoid?

It can't be religion .. as many Jewish people are secular.

We had 300 Israeli families move to coastal Carolina about 1992.. Gad they were obnoxious.. so much so that even the long established Jewish community couldn't stand them.

Then do explain the arab league charter. The PLO charter. The hamas charter and the fatah charter that all say that Israel must be destroyed.

This peace of 2002 what were the demands placed on Israel that go against the UN charter and the Geneva conventions. Would it be right of return to Israel by 4 million muslims that had never lived there ?
Return to 1967 borders that had never existed and capitulation and mass suicide so the arabs could take over.

 

[Phoenall]

Have the Palestinians attacked anyone outside of their own borders since the 70s?

Yes Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan to name but a few places

Got links?

Forget about Israel. It is not outside of Palestine's borders.

According to the UN and International Law it is and you cant chang that to suit your POV

But here is a list of Palestinian terrorist attacks

Category:Terrorist attacks attributed to Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Victory67]

Then do explain the arab league charter. The PLO charter. The hamas charter and the fatah charter that all say that Israel must be destroyed.

This peace of 2002 what were the demands placed on Israel that go against the UN charter and the Geneva conventions. Would it be right of return to Israel by 4 million muslims that had never lived there ?
Return to 1967 borders that had never existed and capitulation and mass suicide so the arabs could take over.

The PA amended their charter more than a decade ago.

 

[Phoenall]

NO it does not as the Palestinians not having singed up to them cant claim their protection. But Israel can having singed up so the Palestinians can still be tried for crimes under the Geneva conventions

You have never read the Geneva Conventions.

It says all signatories are bound by it regardless if the other party to a conflict has ratified the treaty. I suggest you read the 4th Geneva Conventions.

Palestine has not signed so it does not apply. It says so at the beginning of the conventions

 

[Phoenall]

So the GC applies...er no it doesn't...Uhh..yes it does...ahhh...

You are so confused. Does it apply or not?

NO it does not as the Palestinians not having singed up to them cant claim their protection. But Israel can having singed up so the Palestinians can still be tried for crimes under the Geneva conventions

Do you have a link that says that. That makes no sense.

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Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it.