Israel violates international law

[Victory67]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

 

[Phoenall]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

Ask the muslims they have been doing this all over the world for over 1400 years. Just look at the former Yugoslavia, Darfur, Ethiopia, India, Philipines, Lebanon and Somalia

 

[Indeependent]

Its funny you say that the Mandate for Palestine is no longer valid because many Israelis argue that the promises made to the Jews in the Mandate are still valid.

Of course the Geneva Conventions covers the West Bank. It has a section just about Occupied Territories and the West Bank are clearly Occupied Territories.

The West Bank was legally Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 and now it is legally Occupied by Israel.

The West Bank of Jordan was OCCUPIED by Jordan or was PART of Jordan?

Occupied. It was occupied Palestinian land.

Wow! They had that land and started a war because they wanted more land.
Wow! They lost.
Wow! Life sucks for Arabs.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

You are a fine one to talk. You spout lies like the rest of them.

 

[Victory67]

The UN now is a joke. Look how it speaks against Israel yet allows genocides elsewhere to go on without a comment. The Jewish people's right to the land which includes the West Bank is protected in Law from the League of Nations and no Law has taken that right away, no Law at all.

If the UN is now a joke why is Israel still a member?

The League of Nations doesn't exist anymore. Are you saying the promises and guaruntees for a Jewish homeland made in the Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conference, and Mandate for Palestine are still valid but the protections of the civil and religious rights of non-Jews are not?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Have the Palestinians attacked anyone outside of their own borders since the 70s?

Yes Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan to name but a few places

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The West Bank of Jordan was OCCUPIED by Jordan or was PART of Jordan?

Occupied. It was occupied Palestinian land.

Wow! They had that land and started a war because they wanted more land.
Wow! They lost.
Wow! Life sucks for Arabs.

Yes, Israel begged Jordan not to join in with the surrounding invading armies, but Jordan refused. Victory in 1967 to the Jews.

 

[Shaarona]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

I agree..

My experience with Israelis is somewhat limited.. but I have found them to be universally foul-mouthed and abrasive... whereas I have never see those qualities in American Jews.

 

[Victory67]

Wow! They had that land and started a war because they wanted more land.
Wow! They lost.
Wow! Life sucks for Arabs.

These are the attitudes that make people want to boycott Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

Article 4 isn't the only law, dummy.

Your buddies are still terrorists.

So, what international laws are they violating that apply to them?

The ones dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity not covered in the Geneva conventions

 

[Kondor3]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

Israel exists.

Israelis exist.

That is sufficient to fuel anger and animosity towards them, on the part of many Muslims.

The language is merely a sidebar and footnote; used to express the real-world state of affairs.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Why was it necessary to push anyone off their land?

Ask the muslims they have been doing this all over the world for over 1400 years. Just look at the former Yugoslavia, Darfur, Ethiopia, India, Philipines, Lebanon and Somalia

...and Sudan. Anyway, I read this morning of 30 Israeli teens funding relief efforts for Syrian refugees. If y'all were truly concerned about Arabs, you would direct your attention there.

 

[Victory67]

Israel exists.

Israelis exist.

That is sufficient to fuel anger and animosity towards them, on the part of many Muslims.

The language is merely a sidebar and footnote; used to express the real-world state of affairs.

It is true that many Arabs and Muslims hate Israel simply because it exists.

But many more hate hate Israel because of their disregard for international laws and this is the sole reason why many Europeans and other Westerners dislike Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

Don't like it?

Pick up a rifle and fight for the Palestinians.

Their Arab neighbors sure-as-hell won't, any more.

That's what happens when one people push another people off their land.

It's the Arabs' turn in the barrel.

Such disregarding of international laws that Israel has sworn to abide by and ignoring the rights of other peoples is one of the many reason why many throughout the world don't take Israel's side and want to boycott Israel.

I don't agree with them for the most part but I do understand their reasonings, based on the attitudes you have expressed. They are not condusive to a friendly relationshio between Israel and the rest of humanity.

They are not condusive to a friendly relationship between Israel and the Muslim world.

Given that The West has given Israel the go-ahead to create and consolidate a new State upon the lands formerly occupied by their old Kingdom...

That puts The West in an adversarial role, vis a vis the Muslim world...

Not that it hasn't been in an adversarial role vis a vis Islam for most of the time since Islam broke out of Arabia and started conquering everything in its path...

Can't blame the Jews for taking advantage of the situation to reclaim the Holy Land after a 2000 year absence, in light of what they've just been through...

And if they've gotta break a few eggs along the way in order to make that omelette... oh well.

It's not as bad as what the Arab-Muslims tried to do to them in 1948.

At least the Jews plan on allowing the Palestinians to leave, alive, rather than swearing oaths to drown them in the Mediterranean.

One day, the lions and lambs will all lie down together and live in peace.

Today is not that day.

And the Jews of Israel are smart enough to realize this, and they have the brass balls to act on that knowledge, so that their own people will nevermore be threatened with a Holocaust.

Heckuva a Comeback Story, after 2000 years of getting their asses kicked.

 

[Phoenall]

That means that the Palestinians are not terrorists because they violate no laws.

No it just means that they don't have the protection of the Geneva conventions. They still violate laws when they use terrorist tactics and can be tried in other countries for their crimes. Israel having signed up to the Geneva conventions is covered and understands that they must abide by them when dealing with another nation bound by the conventions.

So the GC applies...er no it doesn't...Uhh..yes it does...ahhh...

You are so confused. Does it apply or not?

NO it does not as the Palestinians not having singed up to them cant claim their protection. But Israel can having singed up so the Palestinians can still be tried for crimes under the Geneva conventions

 

[Victory67]

They are not condusive to a friendly relationship between Israel and the Muslim world.

Given that The West has given Israel the go-ahead to create and consolidate a new State upon the lands formerly occupied by their old Kingdom...

That puts The West in an adversarial role, vis a vis the Muslim world...

Not that it hasn't been in an adversarial role vis a vis Islam for most of the time since Islam broke out of Arabia and started conquering everything in its path...

Can't blame the Israelis for taking advantage of the situation to reclaim the Holy Land after a 2000 year absence...

The West allowed the Jews to re-create their nation in Palestine. No law ever said they have the whole of Palestine, and their re-creation of their nation was conditioned upon the full and total respect for non-Jewish civil and religious rights in Palestine.

Israel has been violating that condition since 1949.

 

[Shaarona]

Your language fuels hatred.

Its also fuels anger and animosity towards Israel and Israelis.

Israel exists.

Israelis exist.

That is sufficient to fuel anger and animosity towards them, on the part of many Muslims.

The language is merely a sidebar and footnote; used to express the real-world state of affairs.

Don't be absurd...........

No one wants Israel to cease to exist regardless of your selftalk. The world does want a just peace.. which Israel refused in the spring of 2002.

How are Jewish people so different from others? What keeps them ... particularly Israelis.. so isolated and paranoid?

It can't be religion .. as many Jewish people are secular.

We had 300 Israeli families move to coastal Carolina about 1992.. Gad they were obnoxious.. so much so that even the long established Jewish community couldn't stand them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are so far --- off as to the meaning and intent.


(COMMENT)

First-off, whether the GCIV applies or not, has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the Arab-Palestinian uses terrorism. Ask the following questions:

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Did the the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement or Government allow their respective territories to be used for any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources?

Did the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement establish training camps, for the preparation or organization of the following acts intended to be committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

• Attacks on persons enjoying diplomatic immunity, including ambassadors and diplomats serving to co-operate with other States in the maintenance of international peace and security;
  
• Premeditated murder or theft accompanied by the use of force directed against individuals, the authorities or means of transport and communications;
  
• Acts of sabotage and destruction of public property and property assigned to a public service, even if owned by another Contracting State;
  
• The manufacture, illicit trade in or possession of weapons, munitions or explosives, or other items that may be used to commit terrorist offenses;
  
• Acts of piracy, hijackings, suicide bombings, and armed attacks against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.
  
• Declare an oath for genocide against any people;
  
• Openly support Jihad and the armed struggle of the Fedayeen against citizens taking no active part in the hostilities.

I think the historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian is a textbook movement of a culture that not only supports terrorism, but uses it as it principle means of diplomacy. The Arab-Palestinian has demonstrated, through its pattern of behaviors that it is unable to co-operate in the economic, social and cultural fields as well as in the field of science and technology and for the promotion of international cultural and educational progress without the use of force and violence.

The historical record shows that the Arab-Palestinian, while demanding the principle of equal rights and self-determination be extended to them, are unable reciprocate in kind and extend those rights to other nations (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens.

No one, with a straight face, can say for a moment, that the Arab-Palestinian has not demonstrated the morals and characteristic of what we all have come to understand as a terrorist.

Most Respectfully,
R

Was the Arab-Palestinian Resistance Movement involved in organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating deadly activities committed against other States (including, but not limited to the State of Israel) or their citizens?

Have the Palestinians attacked anyone outside of their own borders since the 70s?

Yes Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan to name but a few places

Got links?

Forget about Israel. It is not outside of Palestine's borders.

 

[Victory67]

NO it does not as the Palestinians not having singed up to them cant claim their protection. But Israel can having singed up so the Palestinians can still be tried for crimes under the Geneva conventions

You have never read the Geneva Conventions.

It says all signatories are bound by it regardless if the other party to a conflict has ratified the treaty. I suggest you read the 4th Geneva Conventions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No it just means that they don't have the protection of the Geneva conventions. They still violate laws when they use terrorist tactics and can be tried in other countries for their crimes. Israel having signed up to the Geneva conventions is covered and understands that they must abide by them when dealing with another nation bound by the conventions.

So the GC applies...er no it doesn't...Uhh..yes it does...ahhh...

You are so confused. Does it apply or not?

NO it does not as the Palestinians not having singed up to them cant claim their protection. But Israel can having singed up so the Palestinians can still be tried for crimes under the Geneva conventions

Do you have a link that says that. That makes no sense.